| Sentencing someone for murder on 17:37 - Mar 28 with 1341 views | Herbivore |
The minimum sentence is just that, there's a good chance they won't ever be let out. |  |
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 18:32 - Mar 28 with 1235 views | Zx1988 |
I think whole life orders are extremely rare, and only reserved for the absolute most serious/heinous cases.
From the Sentencing Council website:
"For the most serious cases of murder, an offender may be sentenced to a life sentence with a ‘whole life order.’ This means that their crime was so serious that they will never be released from prison.
As of 30 June 2023, there were 65 whole-life prisoners. The list of offenders with a whole-life term includes murderers Rosemary West, Levi Bellfield, Michael Adebolajo, Wayne Couzens and Lucy Letby."
A minimum tariff doesn't mean he'll get out after 39 years, it's merely the earliest point at which he'll be eligible for parole.
That said, reading the details in the article, I struggle to see how he's any less worse than the likes of Bellfield and Couzens. Maybe the content of the pre-sentencing and psychological reports is different? [Post edited 28 Mar 18:34]
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 19:00 - Mar 28 with 1183 views | Ryorry |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 18:32 - Mar 28 by Zx1988 |
I think whole life orders are extremely rare, and only reserved for the absolute most serious/heinous cases.
From the Sentencing Council website:
"For the most serious cases of murder, an offender may be sentenced to a life sentence with a ‘whole life order.’ This means that their crime was so serious that they will never be released from prison.
As of 30 June 2023, there were 65 whole-life prisoners. The list of offenders with a whole-life term includes murderers Rosemary West, Levi Bellfield, Michael Adebolajo, Wayne Couzens and Lucy Letby."
A minimum tariff doesn't mean he'll get out after 39 years, it's merely the earliest point at which he'll be eligible for parole.
That said, reading the details in the article, I struggle to see how he's any less worse than the likes of Bellfield and Couzens. Maybe the content of the pre-sentencing and psychological reports is different? [Post edited 28 Mar 18:34]
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Possibly his youth, 20 at the time?
Anyway, at least the world outside prison is safe from him for the forseeable future. What a heinous scumbag. |  |
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 19:34 - Mar 28 with 1116 views | Illinoisblue |
Hopefully he’ll meet with some inmate justice and live a miserable life. |  |
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 11:45 - Mar 29 with 851 views | OldFart71 |
Maybe I sound archaic but I still believe in the death penalty. But before someone gets on their high horse it would happen only when there was irrefutable evidence and not some concocted evidence whereby just to satisfy a baying public or make the establishment look good it was pinned on the nearest person who maybe had mental problems or a past record of a certain type of crime. An example of where the death penalty should apply was the horrendous killing of John Hunt's wife and daughters by a previous boyfriend of one of his daughters. Why should the tax payer be burdened by the expense of years of keeping a person like him and because he is now paralysed due to shooting himself the cost will be even more. | | | |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 11:54 - Mar 29 with 832 views | J2BLUE |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 11:45 - Mar 29 by OldFart71 |
Maybe I sound archaic but I still believe in the death penalty. But before someone gets on their high horse it would happen only when there was irrefutable evidence and not some concocted evidence whereby just to satisfy a baying public or make the establishment look good it was pinned on the nearest person who maybe had mental problems or a past record of a certain type of crime. An example of where the death penalty should apply was the horrendous killing of John Hunt's wife and daughters by a previous boyfriend of one of his daughters. Why should the tax payer be burdened by the expense of years of keeping a person like him and because he is now paralysed due to shooting himself the cost will be even more. |
There's no point. People are on death row in the US for decades sometimes.
Lots of expense for no benefit. |  |
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 12:01 - Mar 29 with 813 views | blueasfook |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 11:45 - Mar 29 by OldFart71 |
Maybe I sound archaic but I still believe in the death penalty. But before someone gets on their high horse it would happen only when there was irrefutable evidence and not some concocted evidence whereby just to satisfy a baying public or make the establishment look good it was pinned on the nearest person who maybe had mental problems or a past record of a certain type of crime. An example of where the death penalty should apply was the horrendous killing of John Hunt's wife and daughters by a previous boyfriend of one of his daughters. Why should the tax payer be burdened by the expense of years of keeping a person like him and because he is now paralysed due to shooting himself the cost will be even more. |
I don't advocate for a death penalty for a couple of reasons
1) Is state sponsored murder ethically any better than a felonious murder?
2) There is no proof that a death penalty is an effective deterrent against the most heinous crimes.
I believe we took a step forward as a society when it was abolished and I think it would be regressive to bring it back.
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 12:25 - Mar 29 with 728 views | Bluecoin |
From next week, if you are from an ethnic background you will get lighter sentences due to new guidelines.
If you're a white man, and in front of a judge next week, you will be treated more harshly.
Some would call it a two tier justice system. |  | | |
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 12:53 - Mar 29 with 689 views | BarcaBlue |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 12:25 - Mar 29 by Bluecoin |
From next week, if you are from an ethnic background you will get lighter sentences due to new guidelines.
If you're a white man, and in front of a judge next week, you will be treated more harshly.
Some would call it a two tier justice system. |
...and some would call you out for posting racist nonsense. |  | | |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 13:17 - Mar 29 with 610 views | Zx1988 |
"Magistrates and judges will be advised to get a pre-sentence report before handing out punishment for someone of an ethnic or faith minority - alongside other groups such as young adults, abuse survivors and pregnant women.
These factors are not an exhaustive list, the council said. A pre-sentence report can still be necessary if an individual does not fall into one of these cohorts."
Funny how you pick one very specific group out of that article, and also ignore the article stating that those from ethnic minority backgrounds consistently get harsher sentences than white British offenders.
To my mind it's been introduced with the right intent (by the politically-independent Sentencing Council, I hasten to add), but I believe that pre-sentencing reports should be mandatory for all offenders, not just those at risk of 'mis-sentencing'. [Post edited 29 Mar 13:22]
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| Sentencing someone for murder on 13:22 - Mar 29 with 592 views | Zx1988 |
| Sentencing someone for murder on 12:25 - Mar 29 by Bluecoin |
From next week, if you are from an ethnic background you will get lighter sentences due to new guidelines.
If you're a white man, and in front of a judge next week, you will be treated more harshly.
Some would call it a two tier justice system. |
That's b*ll*cks, but carry on. | |
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