| Incels 03:30 - Apr 1 with 11935 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Serious post.
I see the rise of Tate and Peterson and the impact they are having on young men and what masculinity looks like and it scares me, this is before I even watch adolescence.
One of the things that I'm conscious of is that there are very few male role models who counter the things that they say and fewer still that will appeal to young lads of today, Louis Threoux for example, a great advocate but how many 14, 15 year old lads know who is he is, let alone listen to him?
I think about who I looked up to as a teenager and who current teenagers might listen too and I keep comming back to footballers.
I see very little on this from clubs, filled with male role models and I feel that they would be a great staring point for trying to redress some of the bile that is spewed by such people.
This might sound pie in the sky but I think there had ro be a beginning, and I think with our club, the community and the work that goes into that, it would seem as good a place as any. Maybe I'm old and out of touch (well i am) but if I was a teenage lad and Liam Delap, Omari or someone was on socials and other places speaking about how wrong this view is id take notice.
I'm inclined to email the club and ask them if they can do some messaging around the subject, partner with suitable charities and maybe from there more would follow.
Anyone have any idea who is best to email?
I appreciate I might be on a wild goose chase here but from those I know in teaching or similar roles working with young lads I really feel that is becoming more and more or anything issue with not enough push back on the narrative from those that might be listened to.
Any suggestions as to anyone I can try contacting at the club are much appreciated.
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| Incels on 21:19 - Apr 2 with 382 views | judespiveyg |
Maybe a little late to the thread, but as a Gen Z man, I wanted to chip in.
I completely agree with your point that sportsmen have a crucial role to play as role models for boys, and can speak from experience. For me, as someone growing up in the 2000s and the 2010s, my first role model beyond family members (who were also excellent role models), was Lewis Hamilton, around the years he was driving for McLaren, years during which I was attending primary school. I was also Ipswich-mad during these years but players like Michael Chopra and Lee Bowyer, who were Town players around this time, are hardly figures to emulate for children. For me, Lewis Hamilton was, and continues to be, an excellent example of healthy masculinity, and in obsessively watching the Grand Prix every weekend, I discovered someone I wanted to emulate. Yes, he could be petulant (albeit more in a manner of wearing one's heart on their sleeve as opposed to arrogance), but he was also exceptionally gifted at his craft, I found him very cool, he was clearly a hard worker, and has always been unafraid to speak out on social issues. In Lewis Hamilton, I had an example of a number of positive values that I could take on board as a young man. Sportsmen today should be looking to project the same values.
I admit that I grew up in what I consider to be excellent circumstances, with very supportive parents, and in rural Suffolk, but I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, and went to a state school, so was ultimately growing up as normally as anyone. I will soon go on to hold a masters degree from the University of Cambridge, in addition to my first-class undergraduate degree, and have secured a graduate role at a very prestigious firm in London, and have clearly defined ambitions going forward that I know I can achieve. I am also very happily in a three year relationship with my girlfriend. Essentially, I have been able to achieve everything that online grifters claim has been made impossible for young white men. Part of my drive to succeed was from positive male role models as a child. Sportsmen can be key to this. |  |
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| Incels on 21:51 - Apr 2 with 346 views | BlueBadger |
| Incels on 10:04 - Apr 2 by rkc123 |
It's just about being open to the idea that people might change or reveal something about themselves which changes your view of them. I am not someone who militantly argues against anyone who holds a slightly different world view to me, I agree with your point that you can hold a contrary view on an issue such as Trans rights without it automatically being Transphobic, and I agree when Peterson focused far more on the free speech element of things rather than Trans people I wouldn't necessarily have described him as Transphobic, but that isn't what he does anymore.
Just from a quick google these are a couple of things he has said in the last couple of years on the Trans issue:
He described gender affirming care as: "The worst atrocities of the 20th century—this is medical malpractice on a massive scale." and stood by this assertion when pressed on whether he included Nazi medical experiments in his consideration
He dehumanises Trans people, claiming it is all a conspiracy, and portrays trans people as a threat rather than as individuals: "The trans movement is not about compassion or rights. It’s a weaponized ideology aimed at destroying the foundations of Western civilization." |
Listen, if you ignore all the evidence for him being a grifting scumbag preying on the vulnerable and spreading hate, there's no evidence he's a grifting scumbag preying on vulnerable people and spreading hate. [Post edited 3 Apr 6:40]
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| Incels on 01:21 - Apr 3 with 270 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Incels on 21:51 - Apr 2 by BlueBadger |
Listen, if you ignore all the evidence for him being a grifting scumbag preying on the vulnerable and spreading hate, there's no evidence he's a grifting scumbag preying on vulnerable people and spreading hate. [Post edited 3 Apr 6:40]
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Have to say I didn't expect this post to generate this number of replies.
I'm glad I'm not a kid growing up now and I think social media does as much enough not more harm than good for young minds. I'm also glad I dont have a child growing up, it's tough for youngsters.
To Tate, he is a grifter preying on young minds. I think Peterson is too in a more pseydo intellectual way.
I think it's important all men understand what it can be like for women of any age and indeed vice versa and I worry there is a real anger, particularly amongst men about life in general, about women, not understanding them, how to talk to them, frustration at a lack of girlfriends (remembering i didn't really have what I'd call a proper girlfriend until university and even then that cant be compared to the relationship I have now) about money, materialistic things that all these people, social media stars etc say you should have or even if they don't outright say it, perpetuate it by showing it off.
It is important that role models, Including, but not just limited too, sportsmen speak out much more on these issues. Men, esp young men can find it hard to open up. One of the things I truly love about this place is that you can always come here and do that and in doing so find genuine support. Whether they realise it or not, what Phil and Gav give us here is more than just a football forum, it's if sorts a support next work, a good one, one from which I have be benefited when I've struggled and am extremely thankful for.
What I think is this, those with kids should talk to them about these issued and that men and indeed women should speak up more about such issues BUT I think young men are much more inclined to listen to male role models and its really important that we push those role models to speak out more.
Any how, I shall email the club. I'm on holiday atm but once im back, will report back if I get any reply [Post edited 3 Apr 3:41]
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