| Keeper Stats 08:07 - May 26 with 4619 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5
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| Keeper Stats on 08:11 - May 26 with 3669 views | leftback |
So even with the mistakes Muric has performed better than the others |  | | |
| Keeper Stats on 08:19 - May 26 with 3616 views | KidKlugs |
| Keeper Stats on 08:11 - May 26 by leftback |
So even with the mistakes Muric has performed better than the others |
or there were other contributing factors like other players and different systems including those of other teams and how they played us.
Lies damned lies and statistics | | | |
| Keeper Stats on 08:21 - May 26 with 3603 views | BlueBoots |
Doesn't surprise me that Muric is the better keeper on every metric, barring the errors leading to a goal; the zero errors from Palmer and Walton just highlights that they are more likely to go for the safe option and kick the ball long.
If we're planning to invite the press and play out from the back as we did in our last season in the Championship, Muric is clearly the better of the 3 at that; Hladky used to make quite a few errors too, but at the lower level you're less likely to get punished. It's risk/errors and reward/possession.
EDIT: Would be interested to know the stats comparing the 3 keepers on goals conceded from set pieces too, as I remember hardly any when Muric was playing - takes a lot of pressure off knowing your keeper will claim most corners / free kicks. That's going to be even more important next season coming up against teams who are more direct. [Post edited 26 May 8:27]
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| Keeper Stats on 08:59 - May 26 with 3445 views | DJR |
The goals conceded and PPG (in relation to Muric and Palmer) surely reflect the fact that we performed better as a team before Christmas than after.
As it is, it's what the eye sees that counts, and Mick Mills said yesterday that Muric had been an issue for the team. And that's how I feel having been at all but two of our games this season. [Post edited 26 May 9:02]
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| Keeper Stats on 09:13 - May 26 with 3355 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Keeper Stats on 08:21 - May 26 by BlueBoots |
Doesn't surprise me that Muric is the better keeper on every metric, barring the errors leading to a goal; the zero errors from Palmer and Walton just highlights that they are more likely to go for the safe option and kick the ball long.
If we're planning to invite the press and play out from the back as we did in our last season in the Championship, Muric is clearly the better of the 3 at that; Hladky used to make quite a few errors too, but at the lower level you're less likely to get punished. It's risk/errors and reward/possession.
EDIT: Would be interested to know the stats comparing the 3 keepers on goals conceded from set pieces too, as I remember hardly any when Muric was playing - takes a lot of pressure off knowing your keeper will claim most corners / free kicks. That's going to be even more important next season coming up against teams who are more direct. [Post edited 26 May 8:27]
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I agree with this.
Last time Muric played in the Championship he was named in the PFA Team of the year.
He'll be good at this level. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 09:18 - May 26 with 3314 views | WeirdFishes |
| Keeper Stats on 09:13 - May 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I agree with this.
Last time Muric played in the Championship he was named in the PFA Team of the year.
He'll be good at this level. |
He doesn’t deserve the opportunity to prove ir, get him out. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 09:19 - May 26 with 3308 views | grow_our_own |
So many more factors than keeper performance go into the team stats you give. I think losing both Ogbene and Burns was terribly bad fortune. We had zero pace at right wing-back in defence and attack for most of the second half of the season. Losing Axel (and failing to replace him - Godfrey) for a period also killed us down the right.
"Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5"
On "Errors leading to a goal" Muric was the worst in the whole PL despite only playing half a season: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal
This has a corrosive effect, as players are reluctant to pass out from the back, knowing Muric is liable to make a howler when used as pivot. Affected our "play through" game that won so many points in Champ promotion season. We were reluctant to pass-back and retain possession, and more likely to concede throws & corners instead - again detrimental to defence and attack. There's a reason the phrase "good touch for a big guy" exists. I don't think Muric' feet are good enough for the way KM wants to play. Needed a Hladky with better shot stopping. Muric was never that. [Post edited 26 May 10:45]
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| Keeper Stats on 12:33 - May 26 with 3029 views | Rimsy |
Stats don't mean squat. Muric was a disaster from the off, his mistakes got us off to a poor start that we never recovered from. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 12:39 - May 26 with 3003 views | stonojnr |
| Keeper Stats on 09:19 - May 26 by grow_our_own |
So many more factors than keeper performance go into the team stats you give. I think losing both Ogbene and Burns was terribly bad fortune. We had zero pace at right wing-back in defence and attack for most of the second half of the season. Losing Axel (and failing to replace him - Godfrey) for a period also killed us down the right.
"Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5"
On "Errors leading to a goal" Muric was the worst in the whole PL despite only playing half a season: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal
This has a corrosive effect, as players are reluctant to pass out from the back, knowing Muric is liable to make a howler when used as pivot. Affected our "play through" game that won so many points in Champ promotion season. We were reluctant to pass-back and retain possession, and more likely to concede throws & corners instead - again detrimental to defence and attack. There's a reason the phrase "good touch for a big guy" exists. I don't think Muric' feet are good enough for the way KM wants to play. Needed a Hladky with better shot stopping. Muric was never that. [Post edited 26 May 10:45]
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how do they measure that anyway ? both Palmer and Walton made "errors" that led to goals, but they dont count !?!
does Morsys "error" count yesterday ? how about Leifs ? | | | |
| Keeper Stats on 13:17 - May 26 with 2932 views | Radlett_blue |
| Keeper Stats on 09:18 - May 26 by WeirdFishes |
He doesn’t deserve the opportunity to prove ir, get him out. |
Muric could be hard to shift. McKenna lost confidence in him, hence the signing of Palmer. I think the shoulder injury was a bit of a smokescreen. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 14:28 - May 26 with 2846 views | Blue7583 |
| Keeper Stats on 13:17 - May 26 by Radlett_blue |
Muric could be hard to shift. McKenna lost confidence in him, hence the signing of Palmer. I think the shoulder injury was a bit of a smokescreen. |
He has moved out of his house … been empty a few weeks might mean nothing I know but might mean he off | | | |
| Keeper Stats on 14:50 - May 26 with 2795 views | LeoMuff |
| Keeper Stats on 09:18 - May 26 by WeirdFishes |
He doesn’t deserve the opportunity to prove ir, get him out. |
I don’t see why we would bin £8m and write off our best keeper and previously the best in the championship.
Unless there is an attitude issue or off the field stuff we are shooting our selves in the foot. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 14:51 - May 26 with 2793 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Keeper Stats on 08:59 - May 26 by DJR |
The goals conceded and PPG (in relation to Muric and Palmer) surely reflect the fact that we performed better as a team before Christmas than after.
As it is, it's what the eye sees that counts, and Mick Mills said yesterday that Muric had been an issue for the team. And that's how I feel having been at all but two of our games this season. [Post edited 26 May 9:02]
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It's an odd one, and I can't disagree with your comments, but Muric was part of that team performing better - so what can be concluded from that?
It's probably too late for Muric, but if he could be re-integrated into the team, and the sports psychologists help, then he has the potential to be a great keeper at the top level. [Post edited 26 May 16:26]
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| Keeper Stats on 16:58 - May 26 with 2656 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Keeper Stats on 14:51 - May 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It's an odd one, and I can't disagree with your comments, but Muric was part of that team performing better - so what can be concluded from that?
It's probably too late for Muric, but if he could be re-integrated into the team, and the sports psychologists help, then he has the potential to be a great keeper at the top level. [Post edited 26 May 16:26]
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i wonder how many of Muric's errors were as a result of language barrier? If he could talk more, maybe the errors reduce. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 17:11 - May 26 with 2575 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Keeper Stats on 12:33 - May 26 by Rimsy |
Stats don't mean squat. Muric was a disaster from the off, his mistakes got us off to a poor start that we never recovered from. |
*checks back to see when we beat Spurs* |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 17:21 - May 26 with 2542 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Keeper Stats on 12:33 - May 26 by Rimsy |
Stats don't mean squat. Muric was a disaster from the off, his mistakes got us off to a poor start that we never recovered from. |
Stats don't mean squat
Well that's a dumb comment... Normally the cry of people who don't understand stats. | | | |
| Keeper Stats on 19:16 - May 26 with 2378 views | Rimsy |
| Keeper Stats on 17:21 - May 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Stats don't mean squat
Well that's a dumb comment... Normally the cry of people who don't understand stats. |
Football is not played by stats though. Only dumb people would take more notice of a spresdsheet rather than what's playing out before their eyes. | |
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| Keeper Stats on 19:41 - May 26 with 2334 views | BlueBoots |
| Keeper Stats on 08:21 - May 26 by BlueBoots |
Doesn't surprise me that Muric is the better keeper on every metric, barring the errors leading to a goal; the zero errors from Palmer and Walton just highlights that they are more likely to go for the safe option and kick the ball long.
If we're planning to invite the press and play out from the back as we did in our last season in the Championship, Muric is clearly the better of the 3 at that; Hladky used to make quite a few errors too, but at the lower level you're less likely to get punished. It's risk/errors and reward/possession.
EDIT: Would be interested to know the stats comparing the 3 keepers on goals conceded from set pieces too, as I remember hardly any when Muric was playing - takes a lot of pressure off knowing your keeper will claim most corners / free kicks. That's going to be even more important next season coming up against teams who are more direct. [Post edited 26 May 8:27]
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(Sort of) answering my own question...we conceded 14 set piece goals this season. Palmer let in 3 of them against Man U, and before that game we'd only conceded 3 in 26 games, so 8 more in the 11 games after the Man U game.
If anyone with a better memory than me remembers if Muric was in goal for any of the games where we conceded the 3 in the first 26 games of the season, please let me know! [Post edited 26 May 20:00]
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| Keeper Stats on 21:00 - May 26 with 2231 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Keeper Stats on 08:11 - May 26 by leftback |
So even with the mistakes Muric has performed better than the others |
The errors leading to goals is a pretty massive stat and 5 against 0 is fairly damning.
The flip side is that if he can cut them out he is by far the best keeper. I kept willing him to cut them out but eventually McKenna gave up and I think he showed more patience than most would.
Can Muric come back from this and be player of the season next season? Of course he could. Will he? Time will tell. |  |
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| Keeper Stats on 21:24 - May 26 with 2204 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Keeper Stats on 21:00 - May 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The errors leading to goals is a pretty massive stat and 5 against 0 is fairly damning.
The flip side is that if he can cut them out he is by far the best keeper. I kept willing him to cut them out but eventually McKenna gave up and I think he showed more patience than most would.
Can Muric come back from this and be player of the season next season? Of course he could. Will he? Time will tell. |
Yes, the goals from errors is disappointing. And yet we still managed more PPG with him in goal. This often gets overlooked.
I also contend that he was asked to play a higher risk game, and Palmer has ‘got away with a few’. No slight on Palmer, just a reflection and a question; are we sure we did better in the 2nd half of the season without Muric? We’ll never know, but I have my suspicions. | | | |
| Keeper Stats on 21:27 - May 26 with 2196 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Keeper Stats on 21:24 - May 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Yes, the goals from errors is disappointing. And yet we still managed more PPG with him in goal. This often gets overlooked.
I also contend that he was asked to play a higher risk game, and Palmer has ‘got away with a few’. No slight on Palmer, just a reflection and a question; are we sure we did better in the 2nd half of the season without Muric? We’ll never know, but I have my suspicions. |
I can't imagine that we would have done worse in the second half of the season with Muric. We got something like 7 points from 19 matches. | |
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| Keeper Stats on 23:01 - May 26 with 2090 views | BonchosBicycle |
| Keeper Stats on 21:24 - May 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Yes, the goals from errors is disappointing. And yet we still managed more PPG with him in goal. This often gets overlooked.
I also contend that he was asked to play a higher risk game, and Palmer has ‘got away with a few’. No slight on Palmer, just a reflection and a question; are we sure we did better in the 2nd half of the season without Muric? We’ll never know, but I have my suspicions. |
I agree. It looked to me like Muric had been told to play out basically all the time. The moment Palmer came in we switched from fannying about at the back so much and went to generally going long. I doubt that tactical change was purely Palmer's decision. Much less chance to make a game-changing error when all you're expected to do with ball at feet is put your foot though it. |  | | |
| Keeper Stats on 23:28 - May 26 with 2010 views | Vaughan8 |
I'd say its very difficult to compare them all.
We seemed to play better earlier on in the season and then after the Newcastle game where we got battered, we seemed to try and change tactics a bit.
As people have said, I thought we were fairly good at set pieces until the last few months of the season. However, I'm not sure that is all on the goal keeper.
I definitely think Muric will be fine in the Championship. The errors won't be punished quite so much. Interesting to see who we sell as not all 3 can stay. | | | |
| Keeper Stats on 07:37 - May 27 with 1737 views | Horsham |
They are interesting and sort of back up what I’ve seen in so much as that Muric would be a bloody fantastic goalkeeper if he didn’t fck up so often. There’s definitely some really good attributes in Muric.
A lot of people (I think including Phil) would be amazed if he’s got a part to play next season and there is no way back but I’d like to understand if it’s because
1/ the amount of errors he made last season
2/ that the fans have taken against him and won’t be prepared to wipe the slate clean.
3/ KMac has written him off
4/ perception he’s just a wrong’un (see driving offence)
Is there some ITK knowledge the club has decided on moving on from him or is the ‘no way back’ thing mainly vibes based. |  | | |
| Keeper Stats on 07:55 - May 27 with 1709 views | BlueBoots |
| Keeper Stats on 23:28 - May 26 by Vaughan8 |
I'd say its very difficult to compare them all.
We seemed to play better earlier on in the season and then after the Newcastle game where we got battered, we seemed to try and change tactics a bit.
As people have said, I thought we were fairly good at set pieces until the last few months of the season. However, I'm not sure that is all on the goal keeper.
I definitely think Muric will be fine in the Championship. The errors won't be punished quite so much. Interesting to see who we sell as not all 3 can stay. |
Provided a stat earlier in the thread regarding being "fairly good at set pieces until the last few months of the season"
We conceded 3 goals from set pieces in our first 26 games, and 11 in our last 12 games. Is that all on the goalkeeper? Probably not, and would need to check to confirm if the number of set pieces we gave away in games increased towards the end of the season, which would obviously mean more opportunities for teams to score against us.
But I think some people are forgetting or taking for granted how Muric was claiming high balls played into the box as he made it look so easy. I personally remember not being too worried if we conceded corners or wide free kicks after watching Muric's first few games - much more so with Walton / Palmer playing. [Post edited 27 May 8:07]
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