| Marco Silva 03:50 - Jun 1 with 4702 views | itfc1108 |
Favourite for Juventus job 👀.
I think we need Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth to keep their managers. |  | | |  |
| Marco Silva on 05:01 - Jun 1 with 3418 views | Chrisd |
Why? I’m not sure those clubs will be too interested in McKenna the way we finished the season. KM’s stock was higher last summer, he’s got things to prove after a tepid end to our campaign in the EPL. Those clubs you mentioned will have bigger managerial targets than KM in my opinion. | |
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| Marco Silva on 07:04 - Jun 1 with 3240 views | cressi |
| Marco Silva on 05:01 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
Why? I’m not sure those clubs will be too interested in McKenna the way we finished the season. KM’s stock was higher last summer, he’s got things to prove after a tepid end to our campaign in the EPL. Those clubs you mentioned will have bigger managerial targets than KM in my opinion. |
For now the boat has sailed McKenna got to get things back on track here starting with a good transfer summer. No shannigans like last Yr hit the road running. If he does in the future he will have further opportunities. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 07:50 - Jun 1 with 3085 views | _clive_baker_ |
Another way of looking at it is they might be clubs that are a bad appointment and recruitment ‘cycle’ or 2 away from being sucked down the table which can only be a good thing if any promoted club has any chance of staying up. |  | | |
| Marco Silva on 08:18 - Jun 1 with 2947 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 05:01 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
Why? I’m not sure those clubs will be too interested in McKenna the way we finished the season. KM’s stock was higher last summer, he’s got things to prove after a tepid end to our campaign in the EPL. Those clubs you mentioned will have bigger managerial targets than KM in my opinion. |
His stock may have gone down with some of our fans but he's still a very highly regarded manager in the game, and rightly so. This season was a step too far but what he's achieved over his three and a half years here has rightly earned him a reputation as one of the brightest young managers in the English game. I wouldn't be so blase about interest from mid level Prem sides looking for a new manager. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 08:37 - Jun 1 with 2815 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Marco Silva on 08:18 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
His stock may have gone down with some of our fans but he's still a very highly regarded manager in the game, and rightly so. This season was a step too far but what he's achieved over his three and a half years here has rightly earned him a reputation as one of the brightest young managers in the English game. I wouldn't be so blase about interest from mid level Prem sides looking for a new manager. |
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| Marco Silva on 08:53 - Jun 1 with 2724 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 08:18 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
His stock may have gone down with some of our fans but he's still a very highly regarded manager in the game, and rightly so. This season was a step too far but what he's achieved over his three and a half years here has rightly earned him a reputation as one of the brightest young managers in the English game. I wouldn't be so blase about interest from mid level Prem sides looking for a new manager. |
It won’t be enough to get him a move IMO, like the interest he had from Brighton last summer. I think clubs will want to see how we react under him when the Championship season commences. I just don’t think clubs will take the risk, they will need further proof he is good enough. Make no mistake this season will be a big test for him. He’s not the new coach on the block, club’s analyst departments will have their information and data on him in terms of style and patterns of play. I’m really interested to see how this plays out. | |
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| Marco Silva on 09:02 - Jun 1 with 2674 views | BloomBlue |
| Marco Silva on 08:53 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
It won’t be enough to get him a move IMO, like the interest he had from Brighton last summer. I think clubs will want to see how we react under him when the Championship season commences. I just don’t think clubs will take the risk, they will need further proof he is good enough. Make no mistake this season will be a big test for him. He’s not the new coach on the block, club’s analyst departments will have their information and data on him in terms of style and patterns of play. I’m really interested to see how this plays out. |
100% agree on this.
Like in any job, failure will always place doubt in the minds of others. I think the run from New Year, will cause a lot of clubs to have second thoughts about KM. Not in a massive negative 'we'll never ever go there now' but more of a 'hmmm has he reached his ceiling' way.
Get Town promoted again, playing a modern style and then we will see him moving to a mid table PL club. Don't forget he has a big release clause in his contract, and while it's small change to most PL clubs, if a club has some doubts then it's a big £ clause |  | | |
| Marco Silva on 09:06 - Jun 1 with 2647 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 08:53 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
It won’t be enough to get him a move IMO, like the interest he had from Brighton last summer. I think clubs will want to see how we react under him when the Championship season commences. I just don’t think clubs will take the risk, they will need further proof he is good enough. Make no mistake this season will be a big test for him. He’s not the new coach on the block, club’s analyst departments will have their information and data on him in terms of style and patterns of play. I’m really interested to see how this plays out. |
I disagree. He'll very much be on the radar of the likes of Brentford, Fulham, or Palace if they lose their managers. He'd be a good fit for that kind of club. Whether he ultimately goes or not will depend on a number of factors but he will be in the discussion if that kind of post comes up. The work he's done here has been impressive and even though we've not stayed up, his stock won't have dropped significantly amongst those who matter. | |
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| Marco Silva on 09:06 - Jun 1 with 2643 views | StokieBlue |
| Marco Silva on 08:53 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
It won’t be enough to get him a move IMO, like the interest he had from Brighton last summer. I think clubs will want to see how we react under him when the Championship season commences. I just don’t think clubs will take the risk, they will need further proof he is good enough. Make no mistake this season will be a big test for him. He’s not the new coach on the block, club’s analyst departments will have their information and data on him in terms of style and patterns of play. I’m really interested to see how this plays out. |
How does that tally with Kompany moving on when Burnley got relegated?
I'm really hopeful he will stay but let's not pretend there is no danger of interest. Unlikely to be a scramble like last year but he will be on some lists.
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| Marco Silva on 09:09 - Jun 1 with 2613 views | BloomBlue |
| Marco Silva on 09:06 - Jun 1 by StokieBlue |
How does that tally with Kompany moving on when Burnley got relegated?
I'm really hopeful he will stay but let's not pretend there is no danger of interest. Unlikely to be a scramble like last year but he will be on some lists.
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Kompany had the Pep connection.
The football world is obsessed with Pep.
KM has the ManU connection but many people view ManU (since the Sir Alex days) as an average midtable team | | | |
| Marco Silva on 09:09 - Jun 1 with 2619 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Marco Silva on 09:02 - Jun 1 by BloomBlue |
100% agree on this.
Like in any job, failure will always place doubt in the minds of others. I think the run from New Year, will cause a lot of clubs to have second thoughts about KM. Not in a massive negative 'we'll never ever go there now' but more of a 'hmmm has he reached his ceiling' way.
Get Town promoted again, playing a modern style and then we will see him moving to a mid table PL club. Don't forget he has a big release clause in his contract, and while it's small change to most PL clubs, if a club has some doubts then it's a big £ clause |
I don’t think many within the game will regard our relegation as failure to be honest.
He’s clearly a highly though of young manager in the game and I would think it’s inevitable he’ll be on the radar of clubs like that. Whether he would be interested is another question entirely. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 09:17 - Jun 1 with 2568 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 09:06 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
I disagree. He'll very much be on the radar of the likes of Brentford, Fulham, or Palace if they lose their managers. He'd be a good fit for that kind of club. Whether he ultimately goes or not will depend on a number of factors but he will be in the discussion if that kind of post comes up. The work he's done here has been impressive and even though we've not stayed up, his stock won't have dropped significantly amongst those who matter. |
All at a lower level.He lacks EPL experience and was exposed quite severely last season. After the campaign we had those clubs won’t be looking at him. He needs to show his credentials, this season will be a good test for him.Lets not forget, he’s largely unproven in the Championship too. [Post edited 1 Jun 9:24]
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| Marco Silva on 09:20 - Jun 1 with 2546 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 09:06 - Jun 1 by StokieBlue |
How does that tally with Kompany moving on when Burnley got relegated?
I'm really hopeful he will stay but let's not pretend there is no danger of interest. Unlikely to be a scramble like last year but he will be on some lists.
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Kompany had the reputation as a top player and worked under a great coach in a Guardiola. There might be interest, but he won’t be top of the list. | |
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| Marco Silva on 09:21 - Jun 1 with 2539 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 09:09 - Jun 1 by BloomBlue |
Kompany had the Pep connection.
The football world is obsessed with Pep.
KM has the ManU connection but many people view ManU (since the Sir Alex days) as an average midtable team |
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| Marco Silva on 09:24 - Jun 1 with 2514 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 09:17 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
All at a lower level.He lacks EPL experience and was exposed quite severely last season. After the campaign we had those clubs won’t be looking at him. He needs to show his credentials, this season will be a good test for him.Lets not forget, he’s largely unproven in the Championship too. [Post edited 1 Jun 9:24]
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This is a wild take, imo. | |
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| Marco Silva on 09:57 - Jun 1 with 2358 views | Horsham |
| Marco Silva on 09:17 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
All at a lower level.He lacks EPL experience and was exposed quite severely last season. After the campaign we had those clubs won’t be looking at him. He needs to show his credentials, this season will be a good test for him.Lets not forget, he’s largely unproven in the Championship too. [Post edited 1 Jun 9:24]
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Not sure he could have proved his championship credentials much more than he did to be honest.
There’s an argument also that he’ll be better qualified after a season in the premier league. Could certainly see that some premier league teams could be very interested should they have a vacancy.
As much as we’d like it to be different I think there will be speculation and links in the not too distant future. |  | | |
| Marco Silva on 10:02 - Jun 1 with 2303 views | StokieBlue |
| Marco Silva on 09:17 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
All at a lower level.He lacks EPL experience and was exposed quite severely last season. After the campaign we had those clubs won’t be looking at him. He needs to show his credentials, this season will be a good test for him.Lets not forget, he’s largely unproven in the Championship too. [Post edited 1 Jun 9:24]
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He's "largely unproven in the Championship" because he got promoted at his first attempt with a squad consisting of many players who played in league one.
Not sure why so many of our fans are so quick and keen to talk McKenna down.
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| Marco Silva on 10:05 - Jun 1 with 2270 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Can we just concentrate on selling Delap for now please. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 10:19 - Jun 1 with 2193 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 09:24 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
This is a wild take, imo. |
Not really a wild take. He’s had two successful campaigns and last season was a step too far. What if things don’t start off too well next season? Let’s be fair, that could also happen even though a lot of our fans are suggesting it should be a walk in the park and I’ve read those comments before we suggest no one has ever said that. KM probably for the first time since he’s been here is under a bit of pressure to deliver. | |
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| Marco Silva on 10:23 - Jun 1 with 2155 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 10:02 - Jun 1 by StokieBlue |
He's "largely unproven in the Championship" because he got promoted at his first attempt with a squad consisting of many players who played in league one.
Not sure why so many of our fans are so quick and keen to talk McKenna down.
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Let’s see how next season goes. Even though he got us promoted, we had momentum from L1 and a squad that was largely better than that level, even though we keep hiding behind that L1 narrative.
I’m happy to be proved wrong, but for me I’m sure KM will go into this campaign with a few doubts especially after the way things went south in the last few months. It’s bound to carry some scarring, you can’t simply brush that off. | |
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| Marco Silva on 10:27 - Jun 1 with 2136 views | StokieBlue |
| Marco Silva on 10:23 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
Let’s see how next season goes. Even though he got us promoted, we had momentum from L1 and a squad that was largely better than that level, even though we keep hiding behind that L1 narrative.
I’m happy to be proved wrong, but for me I’m sure KM will go into this campaign with a few doubts especially after the way things went south in the last few months. It’s bound to carry some scarring, you can’t simply brush that off. |
Was the squad largely better than the others at that level? It certainly wasn't better than Leeds or Saints whom we finished above and you could argue some other big clubs had better squads (Sunderland etc). That was why it was a surprise we did so well.
I think there is a bit of rewriting of the narrative going on here.
I do understand this season has been hard but in reality if we had managed to stay up it would have been an incredibly performance. Going down with the other 2 promoted teams isn't a shameful or embarrassing outcome.
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| Marco Silva on 10:33 - Jun 1 with 2109 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 10:27 - Jun 1 by StokieBlue |
Was the squad largely better than the others at that level? It certainly wasn't better than Leeds or Saints whom we finished above and you could argue some other big clubs had better squads (Sunderland etc). That was why it was a surprise we did so well.
I think there is a bit of rewriting of the narrative going on here.
I do understand this season has been hard but in reality if we had managed to stay up it would have been an incredibly performance. Going down with the other 2 promoted teams isn't a shameful or embarrassing outcome.
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When you’ve picked up no points at home since the turn of the year and won 1 league game at home all season that’s not a good look.
I think you’re underestimating the momentum we had going into that Championship season and confidence the squad had from consistently winning games. The club was doing lots of good things and the wind was in our sails. Think it will be similar for Birmingham City this season. We certainly had a decent amount of players that had a pedigree better than league one, whether that suits your narrative or not, that’s my opinion. [Post edited 1 Jun 10:37]
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| Marco Silva on 10:37 - Jun 1 with 2071 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 08:18 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
His stock may have gone down with some of our fans but he's still a very highly regarded manager in the game, and rightly so. This season was a step too far but what he's achieved over his three and a half years here has rightly earned him a reputation as one of the brightest young managers in the English game. I wouldn't be so blase about interest from mid level Prem sides looking for a new manager. |
Isn’t the manager you just described, Rob Edwards. Young, ambitious, talented, one of the best in the EFL.
He’s new out of work and back to back relegations didn’t live up to the billing.
You can be a top top manager in the EFL and never be even close to the level required for the EPL, which is world class, too 50 in the world, to even have a chance of success.
Also, Rob spent £24 million to finish with more points than us, we spent £160 million in arguably a slightly weaker season. I’m not sure any owner will be looking at any of that and putting KM on any list in short term. I’m sure longer term, he’ll be on everyone’s radar again if he proves the doubters wrong.
But all the evidence is, he’s not just a little bit short at this level, he’s massively short. Not staying up is fine, maybe an impossible task, but doing it whilst spending so much money, and not spending it well. If there’s one thing owners like less than relegation it’s relegation with £160 million worth of liabilities, a large amount of which might be lfutite liabilities with championship revenue.
I’m not surprised you have blind devotion to KM, back to back promotions warrant that, he’s been fantastic in the EFL, clearly at that level he’s a huge prospect and talent.
But if we don’t want to be at that level, then he might not be the answer. Time will tell, but Lambert, Mick, Keane, Jewell, that’s just at Ipswich…., in football it’s normal to be successful in the EFL and not good enough for the step up.
Time will tell. I hope you’re right and he proves the doubters wrong and we bounce back, there’s certainly a chance, I genuinely hope you’re 100% right.
I don’t see it myself. You don’t spend that amount of money so badly and compete with those clubs, and it’s instructive of serious lack of elite decision making at the club. That’s just my opinion, and I hope I’m wrong.
One thing that fascinates me, is Ashton and KM are professionals. They would leave us in about 3 seconds. KM actually agreed terms with Brighton, that’s why the owners flew in, made him one of the best paid managers in Europe, and gave him a £160 million war chest.
In that context, when he showed very little loyalty, other than to leverage everything he wanted (which is a huge financial liability for us…, and not a great legacy as things stand) I’m suprised there’s such a blind devotion.
He gave me the best season in maybe 22 years, he deserves nothing but patience, support, and respect for that alone.
But it’s professional support…, as things stand, Brighton dodged a bullet - an expensive one.
That’s as measurably true as much as the promotion year at sadly what is a low level relative to the EPL.
We just won one league game all season, set two club records for worst team ever (relative to our peers) and they’ve got worse the longer KM has coached the group.
If there’s an owner of a club in the best league in the world, thinks that’s his solution, I’d love to know what he thinks the problem is.
If any of them think KM will be world class (and he might) they wait a couple of years to find out. They don’t need to take that risk.
They can all go appoint a Perera like Wolves, a manager who’s won league titles all over the world…, that’s the level they are at.
KM - he needs to prove his media over hype, is different to that of Rob Edwards. At the minute, in the toughest league in the world, Edwards did more, with £120 million less spent. And Luton had a similar value squad to us on promotion too, so it’s a fair comparison.
I’m has been a rabbit caught in the headlights, he’s had no answers at all.
Big summer for him. Let’s see. I hope you’re right…, my football IQ says probably not. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 10:46 - Jun 1 with 2022 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 10:19 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
Not really a wild take. He’s had two successful campaigns and last season was a step too far. What if things don’t start off too well next season? Let’s be fair, that could also happen even though a lot of our fans are suggesting it should be a walk in the park and I’ve read those comments before we suggest no one has ever said that. KM probably for the first time since he’s been here is under a bit of pressure to deliver. |
People have said we should be challenging for promotion. Nobody has said it'll be a walk in the park. Why do people make this stuff up? Last season was a step too far for the club, we had to do loads of work both on and off the pitch to get Prem ready and despite our transfer business we had the lowest value squad and lowest wage bill. You think he's been a massive failure this season, clearly, but others won't see it that way. | |
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| Marco Silva on 10:48 - Jun 1 with 2013 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 10:37 - Jun 1 by darkhorse28 |
Isn’t the manager you just described, Rob Edwards. Young, ambitious, talented, one of the best in the EFL.
He’s new out of work and back to back relegations didn’t live up to the billing.
You can be a top top manager in the EFL and never be even close to the level required for the EPL, which is world class, too 50 in the world, to even have a chance of success.
Also, Rob spent £24 million to finish with more points than us, we spent £160 million in arguably a slightly weaker season. I’m not sure any owner will be looking at any of that and putting KM on any list in short term. I’m sure longer term, he’ll be on everyone’s radar again if he proves the doubters wrong.
But all the evidence is, he’s not just a little bit short at this level, he’s massively short. Not staying up is fine, maybe an impossible task, but doing it whilst spending so much money, and not spending it well. If there’s one thing owners like less than relegation it’s relegation with £160 million worth of liabilities, a large amount of which might be lfutite liabilities with championship revenue.
I’m not surprised you have blind devotion to KM, back to back promotions warrant that, he’s been fantastic in the EFL, clearly at that level he’s a huge prospect and talent.
But if we don’t want to be at that level, then he might not be the answer. Time will tell, but Lambert, Mick, Keane, Jewell, that’s just at Ipswich…., in football it’s normal to be successful in the EFL and not good enough for the step up.
Time will tell. I hope you’re right and he proves the doubters wrong and we bounce back, there’s certainly a chance, I genuinely hope you’re 100% right.
I don’t see it myself. You don’t spend that amount of money so badly and compete with those clubs, and it’s instructive of serious lack of elite decision making at the club. That’s just my opinion, and I hope I’m wrong.
One thing that fascinates me, is Ashton and KM are professionals. They would leave us in about 3 seconds. KM actually agreed terms with Brighton, that’s why the owners flew in, made him one of the best paid managers in Europe, and gave him a £160 million war chest.
In that context, when he showed very little loyalty, other than to leverage everything he wanted (which is a huge financial liability for us…, and not a great legacy as things stand) I’m suprised there’s such a blind devotion.
He gave me the best season in maybe 22 years, he deserves nothing but patience, support, and respect for that alone.
But it’s professional support…, as things stand, Brighton dodged a bullet - an expensive one.
That’s as measurably true as much as the promotion year at sadly what is a low level relative to the EPL.
We just won one league game all season, set two club records for worst team ever (relative to our peers) and they’ve got worse the longer KM has coached the group.
If there’s an owner of a club in the best league in the world, thinks that’s his solution, I’d love to know what he thinks the problem is.
If any of them think KM will be world class (and he might) they wait a couple of years to find out. They don’t need to take that risk.
They can all go appoint a Perera like Wolves, a manager who’s won league titles all over the world…, that’s the level they are at.
KM - he needs to prove his media over hype, is different to that of Rob Edwards. At the minute, in the toughest league in the world, Edwards did more, with £120 million less spent. And Luton had a similar value squad to us on promotion too, so it’s a fair comparison.
I’m has been a rabbit caught in the headlights, he’s had no answers at all.
Big summer for him. Let’s see. I hope you’re right…, my football IQ says probably not. |
I'm not reading all that tosh, but our spend is now £160m? It really does go up £10m every time you post this nonsense. | |
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