| Huni's count 23:26 - Jun 7 with 6053 views | Zx1988 |
I don't do boxing, so help me out a little here please.
I'm seeing a lot of talk on social media about the count for Huni being particularly fast, or otherwise non-standard. Is there any credence to the claims?
Does a boxer merely have to be up before the count of 10, or do they need to be up, compus mentus, and ready to go? |  |
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| Huni's count on 23:34 - Jun 7 with 3938 views | Nutkins_Return |
Ref has a duty of care. He can't let him fight on if his legs/eyes have gone as he risks serious injury. Effectively if he can't defend himself he can't carry on. He was gone. | |
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| Huni's count on 23:34 - Jun 7 with 3932 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes, big time home town kind of count that was!
He was on his feet by 8 and was winning big, should not have been waved off there and then. Not to say Fab wouldn’t have finished him off but a tad ridiculous. |  | | |
| Huni's count on 23:35 - Jun 7 with 3925 views | backwaywhen |
Refs decision, he took that bang on the chin , was knackered himself as was Wardley , ref took one look into his eyes to see he was not ready to carry on , I think had he done so Wardley would have finished him off ……note how Honi didn’t protest , he was gone IMO. | | | |
| Huni's count on 23:37 - Jun 7 with 3886 views | Zx1988 |
| Huni's count on 23:34 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes, big time home town kind of count that was!
He was on his feet by 8 and was winning big, should not have been waved off there and then. Not to say Fab wouldn’t have finished him off but a tad ridiculous. |
That's what I was thinking.
Appreciate the duty of care, and the referee's word being law, but could the referee not have taken a second or two to check him over and decide, rather than counting him out almost prematurely? | |
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| Huni's count on 23:38 - Jun 7 with 3893 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 23:35 - Jun 7 by backwaywhen |
Refs decision, he took that bang on the chin , was knackered himself as was Wardley , ref took one look into his eyes to see he was not ready to carry on , I think had he done so Wardley would have finished him off ……note how Honi didn’t protest , he was gone IMO. |
Nonsense, learn boxing, it was the first time he’s been hurt in the fight and was up 8-1 or 7-2.
Watch say the Tyson Fury count vs Wilder on his comeback fight compared to this. Do a silent count if you like!
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| Huni's count on 23:42 - Jun 7 with 3804 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 23:37 - Jun 7 by Zx1988 |
That's what I was thinking.
Appreciate the duty of care, and the referee's word being law, but could the referee not have taken a second or two to check him over and decide, rather than counting him out almost prematurely? |
Watch Joshua Ruiz 6 years ago and see the kind of counts AJ got when he was actually really hurt. This is why people get a little suspicious with boxing. Huni also looked very clear eyed to me afterwards. Fab might well have finished him and a great shot but was really quick to wave that off. | | | |
| Huni's count on 23:45 - Jun 7 with 3781 views | backwaywhen |
| Huni's count on 23:38 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Nonsense, learn boxing, it was the first time he’s been hurt in the fight and was up 8-1 or 7-2.
Watch say the Tyson Fury count vs Wilder on his comeback fight compared to this. Do a silent count if you like!
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Why didn’t he complain then ? He was not ready to fight on simple as that . | | | |
| Huni's count on 23:49 - Jun 7 with 3735 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 23:45 - Jun 7 by backwaywhen |
Why didn’t he complain then ? He was not ready to fight on simple as that . |
Yes very passive considering he looked fine to carry on and was up so big. Analysts on DAZN said they were surprised he wasn’t upset. Everyone would of course be going mental if that was the other way and against us, he clearly made the count. | | | |
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| Huni's count on 23:56 - Jun 7 with 3636 views | backwaywhen |
| Huni's count on 23:49 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes very passive considering he looked fine to carry on and was up so big. Analysts on DAZN said they were surprised he wasn’t upset. Everyone would of course be going mental if that was the other way and against us, he clearly made the count. |
There is a good photo of the ref kneeling in front of Huni doing the count on BBC website , he clearly wasn’t ready to fight on …..nothing to see here . | | | |
| Huni's count on 23:58 - Jun 7 with 3610 views | tazdac |
| Huni's count on 23:49 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes very passive considering he looked fine to carry on and was up so big. Analysts on DAZN said they were surprised he wasn’t upset. Everyone would of course be going mental if that was the other way and against us, he clearly made the count. |
Think the curfew was up at 10:45 so was looking to end it ;o) | | | |
| Huni's count on 23:59 - Jun 7 with 3576 views | Smoresy |
| Huni's count on 23:49 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes very passive considering he looked fine to carry on and was up so big. Analysts on DAZN said they were surprised he wasn’t upset. Everyone would of course be going mental if that was the other way and against us, he clearly made the count. |
Judging from that video he returns to his feet a fraction before or after 10 seconds, but I agree counts often seem slower. Not convinced his head's in the building when he does get up and would guess that's why there's no complaint or disappointment when ref calls it. | | | |
| Huni's count on 00:02 - Jun 8 with 3529 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 23:56 - Jun 7 by backwaywhen |
There is a good photo of the ref kneeling in front of Huni doing the count on BBC website , he clearly wasn’t ready to fight on …..nothing to see here . |
You’ve just made up the “he clearly wasn’t ready to fight on” from your own bias though. Refs get blasted in boxing all the time. It’s ok to be happy our guy won and that it was waved off rather quickly. | | | |
| Huni's count on 00:05 - Jun 8 with 3488 views | backwaywhen |
| Huni's count on 00:02 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’ve just made up the “he clearly wasn’t ready to fight on” from your own bias though. Refs get blasted in boxing all the time. It’s ok to be happy our guy won and that it was waved off rather quickly. |
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| Huni's count on 00:13 - Jun 8 with 3419 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 23:59 - Jun 7 by Smoresy |
Judging from that video he returns to his feet a fraction before or after 10 seconds, but I agree counts often seem slower. Not convinced his head's in the building when he does get up and would guess that's why there's no complaint or disappointment when ref calls it. |
Yeah the rule is a bit weird and it’s technically the referee’s count to 10, not the exact 10 seconds after he exactly hits the deck, was certainly on the faster side by boxing standards. Was poor camera work cutting to Warren in the middle of the count for the TV viewer!
Anyway delighted he won, shame the big fights are all in Saudi instead of Vegas these days as he likely gets a world shot soon enough!
Overall PR looked decent on the broadcast as well! | | | |
| Huni's count on 00:52 - Jun 8 with 3281 views | SitfcB |
| Huni's count on 00:13 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yeah the rule is a bit weird and it’s technically the referee’s count to 10, not the exact 10 seconds after he exactly hits the deck, was certainly on the faster side by boxing standards. Was poor camera work cutting to Warren in the middle of the count for the TV viewer!
Anyway delighted he won, shame the big fights are all in Saudi instead of Vegas these days as he likely gets a world shot soon enough!
Overall PR looked decent on the broadcast as well! |
Five seconds had gone before the ref even went over to him to count.
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| Huni's count on 00:56 - Jun 8 with 3254 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 00:52 - Jun 8 by SitfcB |
Five seconds had gone before the ref even went over to him to count.
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What did he start the count at? Anyone that knows the sport at all would say this was a pretty fast count. He waved it off without even checking if he was clear eyed as Huni wasn’t looking at him but got back to his feet in time.
Normal procedure would be to touch gloves, ask if he’s ok and then let it go on if he feels he was ok to do so. That didn’t happen but I get plenty of fans that might have watched this don’t often watch the sport. | | | |
| Huni's count on 01:06 - Jun 8 with 3186 views | Jrm_72 |
Ive followed boxing for 30years. Looked a hasty stoppage and a fast count to me. No doubt he wasn't all there still, but you often see benefit of doubt given to fighters winning on the card in the final round.
Don't get me wrong fighter safety is paramount, and I hate that in the UFC you can get away with reigning down fists on an unconscious fighter, but I think given the cards Huni had earnt the right to attempt to clinch out the round.
At the end of day, I've long made peace with boxing having more in common with pro-wrestling than with a legitimate sport.
The result required to appease all parties was a Wardley decisive win, and that's what happened. Everyone moves on happy and a little bit wealthier. [Post edited 8 Jun 1:08]
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| Huni's count on 01:13 - Jun 8 with 3141 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 01:06 - Jun 8 by Jrm_72 |
Ive followed boxing for 30years. Looked a hasty stoppage and a fast count to me. No doubt he wasn't all there still, but you often see benefit of doubt given to fighters winning on the card in the final round.
Don't get me wrong fighter safety is paramount, and I hate that in the UFC you can get away with reigning down fists on an unconscious fighter, but I think given the cards Huni had earnt the right to attempt to clinch out the round.
At the end of day, I've long made peace with boxing having more in common with pro-wrestling than with a legitimate sport.
The result required to appease all parties was a Wardley decisive win, and that's what happened. Everyone moves on happy and a little bit wealthier. [Post edited 8 Jun 1:08]
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Yes on all counts to be honest. That said, I think Fab may well have finished him if he had the chance after the knockdown but we will never know, which is kind of a shame as Huni was in complete control before that.
I generally hate conspiracy theories in sport but boxing is obviously slightly different levels with that kind of stuff. There’s been horrendous points card decisions over the years. Josh Taylor 3 or 4 years ago was one of the worst I’ve seen in the UK but what can’t be argued is the main attraction or hometown fighter of the event usually has a pretty distinct advantage when it comes to officiating and the cards. | | | |
| Huni's count on 01:21 - Jun 8 with 3080 views | Herbivore |
| Huni's count on 00:56 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What did he start the count at? Anyone that knows the sport at all would say this was a pretty fast count. He waved it off without even checking if he was clear eyed as Huni wasn’t looking at him but got back to his feet in time.
Normal procedure would be to touch gloves, ask if he’s ok and then let it go on if he feels he was ok to do so. That didn’t happen but I get plenty of fans that might have watched this don’t often watch the sport. |
Normal procedure would be to see if he's okay if he'd beaten the count. I did a pretty slow count from him hitting the deck on that replay and he wasn't on his feet by 10. |  |
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| Huni's count on 01:25 - Jun 8 with 3063 views | Jrm_72 |
| Huni's count on 01:13 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes on all counts to be honest. That said, I think Fab may well have finished him if he had the chance after the knockdown but we will never know, which is kind of a shame as Huni was in complete control before that.
I generally hate conspiracy theories in sport but boxing is obviously slightly different levels with that kind of stuff. There’s been horrendous points card decisions over the years. Josh Taylor 3 or 4 years ago was one of the worst I’ve seen in the UK but what can’t be argued is the main attraction or hometown fighter of the event usually has a pretty distinct advantage when it comes to officiating and the cards. |
I would of course refer to Sven Ottke vs David Starie as a great illustration of said hometown fighter points robberies...
Or probably a good 10 of Ottke's defences. It was well known all the judges were wined and dined at 5 star German hotels before each of his fights. No wonder Calzaghe only went for unification after Ottke retired. [Post edited 8 Jun 1:27]
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| Huni's count on 01:27 - Jun 8 with 3058 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 01:21 - Jun 8 by Herbivore |
Normal procedure would be to see if he's okay if he'd beaten the count. I did a pretty slow count from him hitting the deck on that replay and he wasn't on his feet by 10. |
Ah the boxing expert is in the room! Who would have thought someone who spends an entire year moaning about officials and making excuses rushes to the defense when it goes the Ipswich way! | | | |
| Huni's count on 01:33 - Jun 8 with 3015 views | stonojnr |
| Huni's count on 23:34 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes, big time home town kind of count that was!
He was on his feet by 8 and was winning big, should not have been waved off there and then. Not to say Fab wouldn’t have finished him off but a tad ridiculous. |
I think alot of people making those claims were only counting from when the ref started to visually count, but actually the count is from when the boxer hits the canvas, and thats why the ref after he had pushed Fabio towards his corner,looks off in the other direction to get the correct timing, and actually starts his visual count from 6.
I mean the clips on twitter show it perfectly Huni hits the deck, and 10 seconds later is barely standing up again, certainly not ready to take any guard again. | | | |
| Huni's count on 01:40 - Jun 8 with 3001 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 01:33 - Jun 8 by stonojnr |
I think alot of people making those claims were only counting from when the ref started to visually count, but actually the count is from when the boxer hits the canvas, and thats why the ref after he had pushed Fabio towards his corner,looks off in the other direction to get the correct timing, and actually starts his visual count from 6.
I mean the clips on twitter show it perfectly Huni hits the deck, and 10 seconds later is barely standing up again, certainly not ready to take any guard again. |
There’s a difference between a referee’s ten count and ten seconds though.
He beat the count by any usual boxing Metrics, especially giving the context of that fight. Look at the Fury knock down in LA on his comeback to Wilder as a pretty clear example of this and time that if you like.
Also the count isn’t actually an exact measure to count you out but for the ref to assess if the guy is ok to continue within that timeframe. This was a pretty harsh/early call. He hadn’t even been hurt previously, was up big and back to his feet, that usually allows you to be further assessed or continue. Let alone than when it’s a count as fast as that, he couldn’t wait to wave it off if we are being honest. [Post edited 8 Jun 2:07]
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| Huni's count on 07:31 - Jun 8 with 2522 views | BlueBoots |
| Huni's count on 23:35 - Jun 7 by backwaywhen |
Refs decision, he took that bang on the chin , was knackered himself as was Wardley , ref took one look into his eyes to see he was not ready to carry on , I think had he done so Wardley would have finished him off ……note how Honi didn’t protest , he was gone IMO. |
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Video of the count posted later in the thread - ref didn't look in Huni's eyes once during the count before waving his arms around stopping the fight; didn't have to because he was down for the full 10 (yep, sad enough to have stopwatched it  ) |  |
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