| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 06:20 - Jun 25 with 1604 views | WeWereZombies |
Was just reading about this on the BBC website:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c335406gxdvo
Armaments companies seem to be doing OK for business right now, don't they ?
'The new fast jets will be based at RAF Marham in Norfolk...The US has already pre-positioned stocks of B61 bombs in Europe. Justin Bronk of the defence think tank Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) says the US would still control their release and use in the event of a war. That may prove contentious with the UK being reliant on the US...While the Trident missiles are made and maintained in the US, the warheads on the missiles are made and maintained in the UK. Successive governments have insisted that their use would not be dependent on the US - hence it is described as Britain's "independent deterrent".' |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 07:59 - Jun 25 with 1495 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’m sure Reeves will pop up and say there isn’t enough fiscal headroom under her strict financial rules any minute now… |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:18 - Jun 25 with 1418 views | NthQldITFC |
So what sort of range do they have then, based at Marham? Assuming that you wouldn't aerially refuel a plane that size if carrying nukes (tactical vulnerability), I guess we're targeting France or Western Germany? |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:20 - Jun 25 with 1416 views | blueasfook |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:18 - Jun 25 by NthQldITFC |
So what sort of range do they have then, based at Marham? Assuming that you wouldn't aerially refuel a plane that size if carrying nukes (tactical vulnerability), I guess we're targeting France or Western Germany? |
I imagine though based in UK, in the event of war breaking out somewhere, they'd be deployed to some forward operating base and attack their targets from there. |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:27 - Jun 25 with 1396 views | WeWereZombies |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:20 - Jun 25 by blueasfook |
I imagine though based in UK, in the event of war breaking out somewhere, they'd be deployed to some forward operating base and attack their targets from there. |
Another snippet from the BBC article:
'The F-35 B variant, currently operated by the RAF and the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm, has a shorter range and can carry fewer weapons.
With its short take-off and vertical landing the F-35 B was originally chosen because it can operate off the Royal Navy's two Aircraft Carriers – HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.'
But the article does not state if this also applies to the F-35 A. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:33 - Jun 25 with 1385 views | blueasfook |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:27 - Jun 25 by WeWereZombies |
Another snippet from the BBC article:
'The F-35 B variant, currently operated by the RAF and the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm, has a shorter range and can carry fewer weapons.
With its short take-off and vertical landing the F-35 B was originally chosen because it can operate off the Royal Navy's two Aircraft Carriers – HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.'
But the article does not state if this also applies to the F-35 A. |
I think the -B variant is the carrier one with STOL capabilities. The -A variant can only operate from runways. There's a -C variant as well I think but I am not sure what that one is for! | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:37 - Jun 25 with 1343 views | NthQldITFC |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:20 - Jun 25 by blueasfook |
I imagine though based in UK, in the event of war breaking out somewhere, they'd be deployed to some forward operating base and attack their targets from there. |
True, I suppose, but it rather undermines my vitriol!  | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:48 - Jun 25 with 1302 views | Guthrum |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:33 - Jun 25 by blueasfook |
I think the -B variant is the carrier one with STOL capabilities. The -A variant can only operate from runways. There's a -C variant as well I think but I am not sure what that one is for! |
C is for operation on standard US carriers with catapault take-off and tail-hook landing. |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:49 - Jun 25 with 1285 views | Blueschev |
Great news, I'm sure them being on our soil makes us all much safer, and the rest of the world will think we're well 'ard. |  | | |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:51 - Jun 25 with 1271 views | blueasfook |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:49 - Jun 25 by Blueschev |
Great news, I'm sure them being on our soil makes us all much safer, and the rest of the world will think we're well 'ard. |
Well yes, you are absolutely correct. That's why it is called a nuclear DETERRENT. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 09:26 - Jun 25 with 1175 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:18 - Jun 25 by NthQldITFC |
So what sort of range do they have then, based at Marham? Assuming that you wouldn't aerially refuel a plane that size if carrying nukes (tactical vulnerability), I guess we're targeting France or Western Germany? |
They should be able to reach Carrow Road from there. New improvements programme apparently. Def info. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 09:36 - Jun 25 with 1146 views | blueasfook |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 09:26 - Jun 25 by Swansea_Blue |
They should be able to reach Carrow Road from there. New improvements programme apparently. Def info. |
Hope they don't do any damage in the trophy room. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 09:37 - Jun 25 with 1143 views | Guthrum |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:18 - Jun 25 by NthQldITFC |
So what sort of range do they have then, based at Marham? Assuming that you wouldn't aerially refuel a plane that size if carrying nukes (tactical vulnerability), I guess we're targeting France or Western Germany? |
Yes, they would use refuelling to extend range.
Not a significant tactical vulnerability (tanker 'planes will be well protected), plus they could theoretically use another F-35 with a smaller "buddy pack" refuelling system, as they used to do with (particularly naval strike aircraft) in the past. The UK's hose-and-reel system is easier to do that with than the US-style flying boom. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 12:02 - Jun 25 with 1001 views | soupytwist |
Whatever happened to not relying on the US in light of Trump withholding intelligence support from Ukraine in a fit of pique?
I guess the Swedish alternative, the Eurofighter etc. can't carry nuclear bombs. |  | | |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 12:03 - Jun 25 with 997 views | mellowblue |
Cutes headlines and all. But it has to be noted that we are not actually ordering extra aircraft as we are not changing the planned purchase total of 138 F35s; we are merely changing the variant from B to A. So we get 12 less Bs which might impact our carriers and 12 more As. The nuclear warheads will of course be an extra expense. |  | | |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 13:11 - Jun 25 with 913 views | baxterbasics |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:49 - Jun 25 by Blueschev |
Great news, I'm sure them being on our soil makes us all much safer, and the rest of the world will think we're well 'ard. |
To be honest, if we are going to have an effective deterrent, it probably makes sense to have more options than just our sub launched tridents.
Although I guess since these are lower yield tactical 'battlefield' warheads we are also acknowledging this is more than about deterrence. We're opening up the possibility of limited nuclear exchange whilst stopping short of going full MAD. Which might be optimistic. |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 16:00 - Jun 25 with 830 views | NthQldITFC |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 12:02 - Jun 25 by soupytwist |
Whatever happened to not relying on the US in light of Trump withholding intelligence support from Ukraine in a fit of pique?
I guess the Swedish alternative, the Eurofighter etc. can't carry nuclear bombs. |
The Swedish one can carry Ikea bombs though, if that helps at all? (Although some people call them Ikula bombs). Plus there's a nice throw in the back seat for making love on. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 16:15 - Jun 25 with 816 views | baxterbasics |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 16:00 - Jun 25 by NthQldITFC |
The Swedish one can carry Ikea bombs though, if that helps at all? (Although some people call them Ikula bombs). Plus there's a nice throw in the back seat for making love on. |
Lol I now have an image of the pilots getting ready to release and realising it's still flat packed and they have to assemble mid-flight! | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 16:27 - Jun 25 with 791 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 09:37 - Jun 25 by Guthrum |
Yes, they would use refuelling to extend range.
Not a significant tactical vulnerability (tanker 'planes will be well protected), plus they could theoretically use another F-35 with a smaller "buddy pack" refuelling system, as they used to do with (particularly naval strike aircraft) in the past. The UK's hose-and-reel system is easier to do that with than the US-style flying boom. |
Like the tanker planes were protected the other day ? |  | | |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 17:18 - Jun 25 with 747 views | Nutkins_Return |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:49 - Jun 25 by Blueschev |
Great news, I'm sure them being on our soil makes us all much safer, and the rest of the world will think we're well 'ard. |
Yes. Or are you suggesting in this pretty horrible current world we should stick our head in the sand and not protect ourselves.
Hate the state of the planet now with people like Putin and Trump and the growing threats of China and all that's going on in the world with Iran/Israel/Gaza/Ukraine....but it's all there. There are countries and dictators who really don't like us. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 18:46 - Jun 25 with 695 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 16:15 - Jun 25 by baxterbasics |
Lol I now have an image of the pilots getting ready to release and realising it's still flat packed and they have to assemble mid-flight! |
Probably easier to assemble a tactical nuclear warhead than one of IKEA’s wardrobes. | | | |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 19:04 - Jun 25 with 656 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 12:03 - Jun 25 by mellowblue |
Cutes headlines and all. But it has to be noted that we are not actually ordering extra aircraft as we are not changing the planned purchase total of 138 F35s; we are merely changing the variant from B to A. So we get 12 less Bs which might impact our carriers and 12 more As. The nuclear warheads will of course be an extra expense. |
It’s all to do with us planning to decommission carriers isn’t it? We won’t need the carrier-suitable B variant, so the A type offers better range and payload (or something like that). In theory, that sounds sensible.
I think it nuts that we’ve gone to the US for these though. They’re certainly not to be trusted now, and given how fractured their political landscape is there’s no guarantee things will improve after the orange manbaby goes. More jobs in the UK are linked to the Eurofighter and politically it makes more sense. From the little I’ve read there also seem to be concerns China has compromised the F-35 programme and some worries about Russia (via Turkey) too.
I also think it’s nuts that we’re willing to cut budgets for running many home departments to fund a massive ramp up in defence capability, but that’s another issue. | |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 20:31 - Jun 25 with 585 views | stonojnr |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 19:04 - Jun 25 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s all to do with us planning to decommission carriers isn’t it? We won’t need the carrier-suitable B variant, so the A type offers better range and payload (or something like that). In theory, that sounds sensible.
I think it nuts that we’ve gone to the US for these though. They’re certainly not to be trusted now, and given how fractured their political landscape is there’s no guarantee things will improve after the orange manbaby goes. More jobs in the UK are linked to the Eurofighter and politically it makes more sense. From the little I’ve read there also seem to be concerns China has compromised the F-35 programme and some worries about Russia (via Turkey) too.
I also think it’s nuts that we’re willing to cut budgets for running many home departments to fund a massive ramp up in defence capability, but that’s another issue. |
we dont need carrier suitable variants flying out of Marham, not unless global warming sinks Norfolk.
the F-35 is a fifth gen fighter jet, these are the most advanced jets in operation today, it has stealth capability, advanced avionics and integrated computer systems that network command and control across the battlefield
the F-35 will likely soon also be able to control UAV drones in flight.
The typhoon whilst a capable jet, is not as advanced as the F-35, and is already targeted for replacement by the Tempest/Global Combat Air programme, the French are building the FCAS. 6th gen fighters, because thats where you need to be looking towards, not the past.
the last Eurofighters are already being built, the government hasnt ordered any new ones for 15 years, and weve already retired 49 of the tranche 1 type. | | | |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 22:53 - Jun 25 with 428 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 12:03 - Jun 25 by mellowblue |
Cutes headlines and all. But it has to be noted that we are not actually ordering extra aircraft as we are not changing the planned purchase total of 138 F35s; we are merely changing the variant from B to A. So we get 12 less Bs which might impact our carriers and 12 more As. The nuclear warheads will of course be an extra expense. |
An extra expense which counts towards our increase in defence spending presumably. |  |
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| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 08:53 - Jun 26 with 274 views | mellowblue |
| We may be getting tactical nukes on British soil on 22:53 - Jun 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
An extra expense which counts towards our increase in defence spending presumably. |
significant cost no doubt. In a way it seems to go against the grain of conventional thinking using planes to drop gravity nuclear bombs when the world has opted for multi warhead intercontinental missiles over the last few decades including our own sub based tridents. | | | |
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