| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea 22:25 - Jun 25 with 12662 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 10:57 - Jun 28 with 658 views | football |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 10:39 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
There’s really no need to start name calling and slinging personal insults just because I don’t agree with your opinion. Unless this is an attempt to get the thread deleted. Either way I’m done engaging with you. |
I dont want the thread deleted - your posts and lack of knowledge are a continual source of humour.
but in all seriousness, you seem to be overheating, and it is really hot so take a break to get an ice cream and cool down before you collapse | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:26 - Jun 28 with 552 views | StokieBlue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 10:26 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
You’re just being silly now. If we started denying young and talented players the opportunity to progress their careers then we’d never sign another prospect again. Many players have stated that they joined Ipswich as they saw it as a good step in their development. |
So what you're actually saying is:
- We should pay good money for young talented players.
- We should improve them with good coaching and match time.
- We should not then stand in their way and take a 7m loss on the process whilst improving another team.
If you can't see the idiocy of that process then I'm glad you're not in charge.
Of course, it's clear that in reality you're trolling and I suspect not long for the forums.
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:31 - Jun 28 with 535 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:26 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
So what you're actually saying is:
- We should pay good money for young talented players.
- We should improve them with good coaching and match time.
- We should not then stand in their way and take a 7m loss on the process whilst improving another team.
If you can't see the idiocy of that process then I'm glad you're not in charge.
Of course, it's clear that in reality you're trolling and I suspect not long for the forums.
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Why risk keeping him in the Champ and risking that he loses further value? It’s simply a fact that players are worth more in the PL than the Champ. It makes sense to sell him for what we can now and include a decent sell-on clause. Let him continue his development and cash in later. It’s a pretty common practice in modern football. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:38 - Jun 28 with 520 views | StokieBlue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:31 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Why risk keeping him in the Champ and risking that he loses further value? It’s simply a fact that players are worth more in the PL than the Champ. It makes sense to sell him for what we can now and include a decent sell-on clause. Let him continue his development and cash in later. It’s a pretty common practice in modern football. |
"Why risk keeping him in the Champ and risking that he loses further value? "
This logic could be applied to any player, might as well sell them all now. It's also nonsense because his current value isn't what you've suggested as your source is severely limited and why would he lose value after a season of destroying Champ defences?
"It’s simply a fact that players are worth more in the PL than the Champ. It makes sense to sell him for what we can now and include a decent sell-on clause."
We aren't in the PL league so this is once again flawed logic. By your own argument selling him now or at the end of this season should make no difference in value as both times he is a Champ player. Thus is makes no sense to sell him now.
"Let him continue his development and cash in later. It’s a pretty common practice in modern football."
Why? He can continue his development with us, by your logic we will get the same fee at a minimum and perhaps we will be promoted and we can keep him.
It's very weird that you want to sell what is likely our best asset at a loss. It's even weirder when your own logic implies we should keep him and then you come to a different conclusion.
I would give it a rest now if I were you.
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:38 - Jun 28 with 519 views | NedPlimpton |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:31 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Why risk keeping him in the Champ and risking that he loses further value? It’s simply a fact that players are worth more in the PL than the Champ. It makes sense to sell him for what we can now and include a decent sell-on clause. Let him continue his development and cash in later. It’s a pretty common practice in modern football. |
Yes PL players will be worth more than championship players, but that doesn't mean we'll take a loss on him!
Wilson Odebert went from Burnley to Spurs for £25m plus a further £5m in add-ons after they were relegated, after a similar sort of season as Omari. Would love to see how you explain that one? |  | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:43 - Jun 28 with 498 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:38 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
"Why risk keeping him in the Champ and risking that he loses further value? "
This logic could be applied to any player, might as well sell them all now. It's also nonsense because his current value isn't what you've suggested as your source is severely limited and why would he lose value after a season of destroying Champ defences?
"It’s simply a fact that players are worth more in the PL than the Champ. It makes sense to sell him for what we can now and include a decent sell-on clause."
We aren't in the PL league so this is once again flawed logic. By your own argument selling him now or at the end of this season should make no difference in value as both times he is a Champ player. Thus is makes no sense to sell him now.
"Let him continue his development and cash in later. It’s a pretty common practice in modern football."
Why? He can continue his development with us, by your logic we will get the same fee at a minimum and perhaps we will be promoted and we can keep him.
It's very weird that you want to sell what is likely our best asset at a loss. It's even weirder when your own logic implies we should keep him and then you come to a different conclusion.
I would give it a rest now if I were you.
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Maybe you’re too young to remember us laughing off £8 million for McGoldrick because one more good season and he’d be worth more. We ended up getting peanuts for him.
And you’re conveniently skirting around my point that I think OH will be disgruntled if we stop him moving to a PL team and having an outside shot at a WC squad place.
I honestly think we will sell him. Time will tell I guess and then we can revisit.
Edit: I’ll add that I’ve long stated that I think we’ll lose a lot of players this summer as a result of relegation. Many posters told me I was wrong and that only Delap would go. They said we had no chance of losing OH, Burgess, Tuanzebe, Davis etc. But here we are. We will rebuild and be stronger, it’s all part of the process. [Post edited 28 Jun 12:46]
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:46 - Jun 28 with 473 views | StokieBlue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:43 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Maybe you’re too young to remember us laughing off £8 million for McGoldrick because one more good season and he’d be worth more. We ended up getting peanuts for him.
And you’re conveniently skirting around my point that I think OH will be disgruntled if we stop him moving to a PL team and having an outside shot at a WC squad place.
I honestly think we will sell him. Time will tell I guess and then we can revisit.
Edit: I’ll add that I’ve long stated that I think we’ll lose a lot of players this summer as a result of relegation. Many posters told me I was wrong and that only Delap would go. They said we had no chance of losing OH, Burgess, Tuanzebe, Davis etc. But here we are. We will rebuild and be stronger, it’s all part of the process. [Post edited 28 Jun 12:46]
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I don't believe any bid was formally made for McGoldrick. It's also a totally different scenario, McGoldrick was nearly 30, Hutch is 22 and we are in a far better financial positions now. The context is completely different.
Unless you have some evidence that Hutch will feel that way you're essentially besmirching his character. Do you have any evidence? It could be equally likely that he feels another season under McKenna and promotion is equally valuable.
If we sell him it won't be for 19m and a loss.
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:48 - Jun 28 with 458 views | StokieBlue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:43 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Maybe you’re too young to remember us laughing off £8 million for McGoldrick because one more good season and he’d be worth more. We ended up getting peanuts for him.
And you’re conveniently skirting around my point that I think OH will be disgruntled if we stop him moving to a PL team and having an outside shot at a WC squad place.
I honestly think we will sell him. Time will tell I guess and then we can revisit.
Edit: I’ll add that I’ve long stated that I think we’ll lose a lot of players this summer as a result of relegation. Many posters told me I was wrong and that only Delap would go. They said we had no chance of losing OH, Burgess, Tuanzebe, Davis etc. But here we are. We will rebuild and be stronger, it’s all part of the process. [Post edited 28 Jun 12:46]
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Most sensible posters knew there was every chance of losing Axel. Burgess clearly wasn't offered the deal he want, we didn't lose him.
We haven't lost the other players listed so why have you said we have? "But here we are" is past tense in that they have left. Be more precise if you're going to try and wind everyone up.
You're rewriting history and context.
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:50 - Jun 28 with 444 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:46 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
I don't believe any bid was formally made for McGoldrick. It's also a totally different scenario, McGoldrick was nearly 30, Hutch is 22 and we are in a far better financial positions now. The context is completely different.
Unless you have some evidence that Hutch will feel that way you're essentially besmirching his character. Do you have any evidence? It could be equally likely that he feels another season under McKenna and promotion is equally valuable.
If we sell him it won't be for 19m and a loss.
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As mentioned earlier, no I haven’t asked OH himself. But I have spent enough time around academies and young elite players to know that he will have the hunger to continue his development at the highest level where possible. And I personally believe that he has proven himself good enough to warrant a starting spot in a mid-table PL squad.
If he didn’t have that hunger then he wouldn’t have made it out of the U12s. There’s no loyalty in football from either side despite what many fans like to believe. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:16 - Jun 28 with 398 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 10:48 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Could you state which part of the statement you disagree with? Because if young prospects don’t see us as a step along the way, why didn’t Delap choose to stay? |
Delap committed to us for 5 years, provided we didn't get relegated , in which case there was a reasonable release clause provided someone were willing to pay £30M.
Both sides agreed to these terms, and were presumably reasonably happy with them. The terms were met, Delap was released and the contract was honoured.
Hutch will have a contract too, with terms that we don't know, and again both sides were presumably reasonably happy with. If they are met, and Hutch wants to leave, then we will release him. If not, he stays until both sides agree that he can leave. All legal, and within the terms of the contract.
If Hutch were to try to force a move for well below our valuation, it would not reflect well on him - history is littered with examples of where this goes badly for the player (maybe one or two exceptions, but very rarely). | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:39 - Jun 28 with 360 views | StokieBlue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:50 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
As mentioned earlier, no I haven’t asked OH himself. But I have spent enough time around academies and young elite players to know that he will have the hunger to continue his development at the highest level where possible. And I personally believe that he has proven himself good enough to warrant a starting spot in a mid-table PL squad.
If he didn’t have that hunger then he wouldn’t have made it out of the U12s. There’s no loyalty in football from either side despite what many fans like to believe. |
All you're doing is making huge generalisations about footballers then applying them to Hutch without knowing anything about him personally.
I personally don't think it's a great look.
We won't sell Hutch at a loss, there is simply nothing in it for Town to do so. The fact that you seem to want us to do so is very odd indeed.
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:39 - Jun 28 with 360 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:16 - Jun 28 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Delap committed to us for 5 years, provided we didn't get relegated , in which case there was a reasonable release clause provided someone were willing to pay £30M.
Both sides agreed to these terms, and were presumably reasonably happy with them. The terms were met, Delap was released and the contract was honoured.
Hutch will have a contract too, with terms that we don't know, and again both sides were presumably reasonably happy with. If they are met, and Hutch wants to leave, then we will release him. If not, he stays until both sides agree that he can leave. All legal, and within the terms of the contract.
If Hutch were to try to force a move for well below our valuation, it would not reflect well on him - history is littered with examples of where this goes badly for the player (maybe one or two exceptions, but very rarely). |
That’s a reasonable interpretation of the situation and the first reasonable argument put across by a poster in this thread! I guess it’s all speculation for now, time will tell. I tend to lean more towards the pessimistic side on these matters…saves getting disappointed 😢 | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:45 - Jun 28 with 339 views | NedPlimpton |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:39 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
That’s a reasonable interpretation of the situation and the first reasonable argument put across by a poster in this thread! I guess it’s all speculation for now, time will tell. I tend to lean more towards the pessimistic side on these matters…saves getting disappointed 😢 |
6 pages and you finally admit to being pessimistic!!
Perhaps if you'd have realised your pessimism earlier there wouldn't have been the need for 6 pages of people attempting to explain how we're not going to sell Omari for a loss! | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:30 - Jun 28 with 287 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:45 - Jun 28 by NedPlimpton |
6 pages and you finally admit to being pessimistic!!
Perhaps if you'd have realised your pessimism earlier there wouldn't have been the need for 6 pages of people attempting to explain how we're not going to sell Omari for a loss! |
Glad that’s cleared up. Now we can get back to dealing with the horrific yoofs terrorising the posh York residents with their offensive headgear. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:38 - Jun 28 with 265 views | mellowblue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 13:39 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
That’s a reasonable interpretation of the situation and the first reasonable argument put across by a poster in this thread! I guess it’s all speculation for now, time will tell. I tend to lean more towards the pessimistic side on these matters…saves getting disappointed 😢 |
I am glad to see that finally you recognize that your own arguments are not reasonable. Maybe there is hope for you. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:45 - Jun 28 with 248 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:38 - Jun 28 by mellowblue |
I am glad to see that finally you recognize that your own arguments are not reasonable. Maybe there is hope for you. |
I still stand by my statement that we will sell him and it will be for market value, which I believe will be below the release clause. The figure that has been stated was given by The Mirror, not me. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:50 - Jun 28 with 231 views | StokieBlue |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:45 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
I still stand by my statement that we will sell him and it will be for market value, which I believe will be below the release clause. The figure that has been stated was given by The Mirror, not me. |
You can't rewrite the narrative like that.
You went in fully behind the valuation and the website from which it came.
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| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:51 - Jun 28 with 226 views | football |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:38 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
"Why risk keeping him in the Champ and risking that he loses further value? "
This logic could be applied to any player, might as well sell them all now. It's also nonsense because his current value isn't what you've suggested as your source is severely limited and why would he lose value after a season of destroying Champ defences?
"It’s simply a fact that players are worth more in the PL than the Champ. It makes sense to sell him for what we can now and include a decent sell-on clause."
We aren't in the PL league so this is once again flawed logic. By your own argument selling him now or at the end of this season should make no difference in value as both times he is a Champ player. Thus is makes no sense to sell him now.
"Let him continue his development and cash in later. It’s a pretty common practice in modern football."
Why? He can continue his development with us, by your logic we will get the same fee at a minimum and perhaps we will be promoted and we can keep him.
It's very weird that you want to sell what is likely our best asset at a loss. It's even weirder when your own logic implies we should keep him and then you come to a different conclusion.
I would give it a rest now if I were you.
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Not sure he will really understand such sensible logic.. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:51 - Jun 28 with 226 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:50 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
You can't rewrite the narrative like that.
You went in fully behind the valuation and the website from which it came.
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Show me. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:54 - Jun 28 with 204 views | football |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 12:43 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Maybe you’re too young to remember us laughing off £8 million for McGoldrick because one more good season and he’d be worth more. We ended up getting peanuts for him.
And you’re conveniently skirting around my point that I think OH will be disgruntled if we stop him moving to a PL team and having an outside shot at a WC squad place.
I honestly think we will sell him. Time will tell I guess and then we can revisit.
Edit: I’ll add that I’ve long stated that I think we’ll lose a lot of players this summer as a result of relegation. Many posters told me I was wrong and that only Delap would go. They said we had no chance of losing OH, Burgess, Tuanzebe, Davis etc. But here we are. We will rebuild and be stronger, it’s all part of the process. [Post edited 28 Jun 12:46]
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And again without talking to him you seem to be an expert on what is going on in his head or discussions at the club. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:59 - Jun 28 with 197 views | football |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:50 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
You can't rewrite the narrative like that.
You went in fully behind the valuation and the website from which it came.
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Probably nearly in Australia with the size of the hole he is digging - and way to deep to try and get out of it | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 17:07 - Jun 28 with 115 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:51 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Show me. |
Must be a terrible internet outage in Stoke. Thoughts a prayers with all affected. | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 17:17 - Jun 28 with 91 views | NedPlimpton |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:30 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Glad that’s cleared up. Now we can get back to dealing with the horrific yoofs terrorising the posh York residents with their offensive headgear. |
That's twice you've brought that up. Very weird | | | |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 17:17 - Jun 28 with 91 views | Tonytown |
| Omari off for 19m with 25% going to Chelsea on 14:45 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
I still stand by my statement that we will sell him and it will be for market value, which I believe will be below the release clause. The figure that has been stated was given by The Mirror, not me. |
Just stop being a bell end please | | | |
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