| Last seasons transfer policy 11:25 - Jul 16 with 1105 views | Dubtractor |
2 ways of looking at the policy of signing young English players for, arguably, high prices.
In the first instance, it failed at keeping us up, albeit im not sure we would have stayed up regardless with tge amount of change we needed to make. We may have made a better attempt at staying up though!
On the other hand, in terms of protecting the club against longer term financial issues, and in terms of emulating the Brighton/Brentford model it's looking like we're seeing it pay off.
Assuming Omari does end up leaving for around £40m, that will be £70m received for 2 players who cost around £40m combined. A good return and money to reinvest and go again. And we still retain a good squad to build from including a few 'high potential' players.
It's arguable that seeing things through a return on investment lens is pretty grim, and not the football model that we want to see, but it is the reality of the stature we have now. And despite my reservations about modern football, I'd take this every week over the sh1t we endured over the 15 years or so before the takeover.
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:29 - Jul 16 with 1050 views | Steve_M |
It's much better that we're making that differential, rather than, say, selling Adam Webster for peanuts only to see his value increase by millions over a season.
I think I accepted a long time back last season, when staying up was at least plausible, that we would only see Delap, Omari & Cajuste for 25/26 if we stayed up.
I would still rather Omari stays but...
Edit: To add that the long-term goal will be to buy players abroad for less and still sell them for those kind of levels. [Post edited 16 Jul 11:30]
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:37 - Jul 16 with 974 views | Chris_ITFC |
We definitely need to get used to it. Brighton take pride in a list like this:
Moisés Caicedo €116.00m
Marc Cucurella €65.30m
João Pedro €63.70m
Ben White €58.50m
Alexis Mac Allister €42.00m
Yves Bissouma €29.20m
Deniz Undav €26.70m
Simon Adingra €24.40m
Leandro Trossard €24.00m
Robert Sánchez €23.00m
Dan Burn €15.00m
Billy Gilmour €14.00m
Edit: And you’re right, it’s a very deliberate part of Ashton’s “player trading” strategy. [Post edited 16 Jul 11:38]
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:45 - Jul 16 with 864 views | Jon_456 |
Our hand was forced quite a bit by McKenna and the squad overachieving and the club progressing almost too quickly.
The recruitment department hadn’t developed so our player knowledge was limited to mostly domestic players.
Club would have been fully aware of our chances of staying up and would have had one eye on what our squad would look like going into a Championship season should we get relegated.
Having seen the standard of the Premier League now, I don’t think it would have made a difference who we signed, it was always going to be a tough ask. So the strategy we chose probably looks to be the right one now. |  | | |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:50 - Jul 16 with 822 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:45 - Jul 16 by Jon_456 |
Our hand was forced quite a bit by McKenna and the squad overachieving and the club progressing almost too quickly.
The recruitment department hadn’t developed so our player knowledge was limited to mostly domestic players.
Club would have been fully aware of our chances of staying up and would have had one eye on what our squad would look like going into a Championship season should we get relegated.
Having seen the standard of the Premier League now, I don’t think it would have made a difference who we signed, it was always going to be a tough ask. So the strategy we chose probably looks to be the right one now. |
There was a startling stat on the gulf/standard of the PL vs Championship now.
Last season we got 59 points between the three promoted teams. 20 years ago those three newly promoted teams got 151.
It's ridiculously more difficult now and we had to do it while still running from L1. |  | | |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:51 - Jul 16 with 791 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:37 - Jul 16 by Chris_ITFC |
We definitely need to get used to it. Brighton take pride in a list like this:
Moisés Caicedo €116.00m
Marc Cucurella €65.30m
João Pedro €63.70m
Ben White €58.50m
Alexis Mac Allister €42.00m
Yves Bissouma €29.20m
Deniz Undav €26.70m
Simon Adingra €24.40m
Leandro Trossard €24.00m
Robert Sánchez €23.00m
Dan Burn €15.00m
Billy Gilmour €14.00m
Edit: And you’re right, it’s a very deliberate part of Ashton’s “player trading” strategy. [Post edited 16 Jul 11:38]
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This is how clubs like us will need to operate to exist in the PL given PSR rules.
And to some degree we've always been a club like that too. Develop players, sell them on. We're going to see exceptional players picked off, probably way before we want them to.
But that is very much Ashton's strategy for the club. [Post edited 16 Jul 11:54]
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:55 - Jul 16 with 758 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:51 - Jul 16 by ElderGrizzly |
This is how clubs like us will need to operate to exist in the PL given PSR rules.
And to some degree we've always been a club like that too. Develop players, sell them on. We're going to see exceptional players picked off, probably way before we want them to.
But that is very much Ashton's strategy for the club. [Post edited 16 Jul 11:54]
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Primary objective: Promotion to the Premier League.
Secondary objective: Drive success with high player trading cash flow.
The 2 can clash, but have to be balanced.
Reports suggest the Club see Omari as more vital to Primary than Secondary, unless that’s just a negotiating strategy. | |
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 12:01 - Jul 16 with 707 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:55 - Jul 16 by Chris_ITFC |
Primary objective: Promotion to the Premier League.
Secondary objective: Drive success with high player trading cash flow.
The 2 can clash, but have to be balanced.
Reports suggest the Club see Omari as more vital to Primary than Secondary, unless that’s just a negotiating strategy. |
It's a gamble isn't it? Reject a guaranteed £40m to try and win another £150m | | | |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 12:03 - Jul 16 with 687 views | Jon_456 |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:50 - Jul 16 by ElderGrizzly |
There was a startling stat on the gulf/standard of the PL vs Championship now.
Last season we got 59 points between the three promoted teams. 20 years ago those three newly promoted teams got 151.
It's ridiculously more difficult now and we had to do it while still running from L1. |
It’s mental and I certainly underestimated the levels there now. I predicted we’d be comfortably mid table… | | | |
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 12:05 - Jul 16 with 656 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 11:55 - Jul 16 by Chris_ITFC |
Primary objective: Promotion to the Premier League.
Secondary objective: Drive success with high player trading cash flow.
The 2 can clash, but have to be balanced.
Reports suggest the Club see Omari as more vital to Primary than Secondary, unless that’s just a negotiating strategy. |
Ah - negotiating strategy, it is.
Fans may find it hard to stomach that we might want to sell him, or at least ‘have a price’ for him (I acknowledge other reports say we don’t want to sell).
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 12:11 - Jul 16 with 605 views | Metal_Hacker |
Delap going and now potentially Omari is a tough pill to swallow but this is where we are now. It’s the food chain and how football clubs operate
We can’t afford to get to attached to players nowadays because as we know it’s all about “player trading “. We’ve been told this enough by MA
We just need to ensure we reinvest wisely and we go again
It can only be a positive , it’s business |  |
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| Last seasons transfer policy on 12:45 - Jul 16 with 411 views | BseaBlue |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 12:11 - Jul 16 by Metal_Hacker |
Delap going and now potentially Omari is a tough pill to swallow but this is where we are now. It’s the food chain and how football clubs operate
We can’t afford to get to attached to players nowadays because as we know it’s all about “player trading “. We’ve been told this enough by MA
We just need to ensure we reinvest wisely and we go again
It can only be a positive , it’s business |
Quite right. It is hard to lose your better players but also reassuring that the method is sustainable and we are in safe hands, unlike the Derby's, QPR's of the past. |  | | |
| Last seasons transfer policy on 13:01 - Jul 16 with 301 views | Kievthegreat |
Realistically we can't outspend people long term unless we bring in transfer money. The balance is key, but it's always likely to involve selling our best player or 2 every year and reinvesting. Sell more one year and you can rip too much out of a team. Sell fewer one year and PSR means you'll either have less to spend or you'll sell of more next year.
What's paramount is reinvesting in the right talent. Find the next Omari for £10-20m. Do that consistently and grow from a yo-yo club into an established one. |  | | |
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