| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... 10:39 - Aug 12 with 1346 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Non Ipswich related but given the investment, I am continually staggered on a daily basis by just how poorly Newcastle are run and how they've dealt with this whole Isak saga.
On the eve of the season, how do you get into a situation where your best player has said he's never going to play for the club again and 80% of the adequate replacements have already moved clubs.
Surely the hierarchy knew this situation might come about earlier this summer and even now when it's been a live situation for 4+ weeks, they still continue to let it rumble on with no end in sight.
The sad reality is that every single club besides Real Madrid and Barcelona are a selling club. Players just have too much power.
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:49 - Aug 12 with 1195 views | tractorboy1978 |
Not sure how it shows they are poorly run. They've tried to sign Pedro, Ekitite, Delap and Sesko to replace him and been gazumped by bigger clubs. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:50 - Aug 12 with 1188 views | _clive_baker_ |
I have some sympathy with Newcastle tbh, this reflects worse on the player. Shameful to go AWOL and down tools like that, he needs to remember who pays his wages and the fact he signed a contract. Had he got a nasty long term injury I dare say his club wouldn't refuse to pay him again. [Post edited 12 Aug 10:50]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:53 - Aug 12 with 1139 views | Basuco |
Another greedy footballer pushing for a move, it is not surprising these days, quite happy to sign a contract but now wants to break that contract. Football is broken. |  | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:57 - Aug 12 with 1083 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:49 - Aug 12 by tractorboy1978 |
Not sure how it shows they are poorly run. They've tried to sign Pedro, Ekitite, Delap and Sesko to replace him and been gazumped by bigger clubs. |
That in itself is an example of why they're being poorly run. If Ipswich had publicly tried to sign 4 players in one position and all of them went to different clubs, you'd probably be asking a question or two of Mark Ashton and our ability to be pro-active in the market and persuade players to choose Ipswich.
You wouldn't say 'fair play, we tried really hard' because the effort makes no difference to the product on the pitch. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:59 - Aug 12 with 1068 views | giant_stow |
I think they're either currently without many top brass or have only just hired new bods. I read somewhere that Eddie Howe and his son have been handling transfer this summer for instance, so it kind of adds up.
Apart from anything, they're in a horrible position: they want the market value, but Isak and Liverpool are doing their best to drive that value down. The longer it carries on, the worse it gets for Newcastle. |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:05 - Aug 12 with 995 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:50 - Aug 12 by _clive_baker_ |
I have some sympathy with Newcastle tbh, this reflects worse on the player. Shameful to go AWOL and down tools like that, he needs to remember who pays his wages and the fact he signed a contract. Had he got a nasty long term injury I dare say his club wouldn't refuse to pay him again. [Post edited 12 Aug 10:50]
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Totally agree, terrible look for the player but there is only one party really losing out here and that is the club. They've not got the £130M that they could have had, they've not got a replacement, they're playing PL games without him, they've got a situation that is almost certainly impacting squad morale and there is no resolution in sight.
They could have had Sesko, Wissa and more for the price of Isak but instead have played hardball to the point that they're in a far far worse position than the start of the window. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:07]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:08 - Aug 12 with 950 views | tractorboy1978 |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:57 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
That in itself is an example of why they're being poorly run. If Ipswich had publicly tried to sign 4 players in one position and all of them went to different clubs, you'd probably be asking a question or two of Mark Ashton and our ability to be pro-active in the market and persuade players to choose Ipswich.
You wouldn't say 'fair play, we tried really hard' because the effort makes no difference to the product on the pitch. |
If any of those players had turned down Chelsea/Liverpool/Man Utd to join Newcastle then that would be seen as a coup. It's not like they've been turned down for a comparable club like Villa. There is a pecking order unfortunately and with the PSR rules they don't have the same capacity to spend and grow as Man City were blessed with all those years ago. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:09 - Aug 12 with 930 views | cressi |
It's strange richer ownership than a anyone in the Premiership.
Chelsea, Man City , Liverpool and others spent money like water. | | | |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:11 - Aug 12 with 905 views | Basuco |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:59 - Aug 12 by giant_stow |
I think they're either currently without many top brass or have only just hired new bods. I read somewhere that Eddie Howe and his son have been handling transfer this summer for instance, so it kind of adds up.
Apart from anything, they're in a horrible position: they want the market value, but Isak and Liverpool are doing their best to drive that value down. The longer it carries on, the worse it gets for Newcastle. |
Although after Sundays performance you could say Liverpool need him as much if not more than Newcastle, Liverpool need to pay the going rate or move on as they do urgently need a top quality striker. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:15 - Aug 12 with 870 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:08 - Aug 12 by tractorboy1978 |
If any of those players had turned down Chelsea/Liverpool/Man Utd to join Newcastle then that would be seen as a coup. It's not like they've been turned down for a comparable club like Villa. There is a pecking order unfortunately and with the PSR rules they don't have the same capacity to spend and grow as Man City were blessed with all those years ago. |
Sure and the Newcastle top brass knew that and still pursued them without pivoting to options quickly when the deals were dead.
They could have bid for Ekitike/ Sesko in June but they waited for the Isak situation to blow up before actively pursuing them, subsequently giving opportunities to Liverpool & United to test the waters on other deals and return to targets they wanted. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:15]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:16 - Aug 12 with 842 views | ArnieM |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:53 - Aug 12 by Basuco |
Another greedy footballer pushing for a move, it is not surprising these days, quite happy to sign a contract but now wants to break that contract. Football is broken. |
Isn't that the truth. |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:18 - Aug 12 with 823 views | _clive_baker_ |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:05 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree, terrible look for the player but there is only one party really losing out here and that is the club. They've not got the £130M that they could have had, they've not got a replacement, they're playing PL games without him, they've got a situation that is almost certainly impacting squad morale and there is no resolution in sight.
They could have had Sesko, Wissa and more for the price of Isak but instead have played hardball to the point that they're in a far far worse position than the start of the window. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:07]
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Valid points, its a tough one but in Newcastle's defence they can't pull their pants down and bend over at the first sign of interest just because he's trying to force a move. It doesn't send much of a message to others and ultimately he's their player.
There's 2 ways of looking at it, and not having him available is a terrible outcome. We've found ourselves in a similar position with Omari. Not suggesting its his own doing like in this case, but he's barely had a pre season and already missed one of our toughest looking games on paper. Maybe the illness is legit, I'll take KM's word for it, but either way its compromised his pre season. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:36 - Aug 12 with 704 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:18 - Aug 12 by _clive_baker_ |
Valid points, its a tough one but in Newcastle's defence they can't pull their pants down and bend over at the first sign of interest just because he's trying to force a move. It doesn't send much of a message to others and ultimately he's their player.
There's 2 ways of looking at it, and not having him available is a terrible outcome. We've found ourselves in a similar position with Omari. Not suggesting its his own doing like in this case, but he's barely had a pre season and already missed one of our toughest looking games on paper. Maybe the illness is legit, I'll take KM's word for it, but either way its compromised his pre season. |
No you can't be seen to just cave but they could certainly learn a thing or two from Brighton. When a top player wants to leave Brighton, there is no media furore, no public hardball, no long drawn out saga. They simply keep it in house, get the best possible deal for the club as quickly as possible and sign the replacement.
Newcastle have failed to do all of the above and are now in a situation where they've had an average window that could have been brilliant with the correct planning.
It never ever works out for the club and as you say, we are experiencing it with Omari all be it at a much much lower level because he's training and possibly/ hopefully playing games. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:54 - Aug 12 with 570 views | HighgateBlue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:50 - Aug 12 by _clive_baker_ |
I have some sympathy with Newcastle tbh, this reflects worse on the player. Shameful to go AWOL and down tools like that, he needs to remember who pays his wages and the fact he signed a contract. Had he got a nasty long term injury I dare say his club wouldn't refuse to pay him again. [Post edited 12 Aug 10:50]
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Players used to play for Clubs.
Now Clubs play for players. |  | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:13 - Aug 12 with 464 views | chicoazul |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:53 - Aug 12 by Basuco |
Another greedy footballer pushing for a move, it is not surprising these days, quite happy to sign a contract but now wants to break that contract. Football is broken. |
God forbid we ever sign a player who acts like that eh. |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:18 - Aug 12 with 420 views | Herbivore |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:05 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree, terrible look for the player but there is only one party really losing out here and that is the club. They've not got the £130M that they could have had, they've not got a replacement, they're playing PL games without him, they've got a situation that is almost certainly impacting squad morale and there is no resolution in sight.
They could have had Sesko, Wissa and more for the price of Isak but instead have played hardball to the point that they're in a far far worse position than the start of the window. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:07]
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They tried to sign Sesko and he decided he preferred United. Not sure how they could have signed him? |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:47 - Aug 12 with 260 views | bsw72 |
An example of a poorly run club is financial mismanagement, legal problems, points deductions etc.
A single player throwing a tantrum and a club not being able to compete with other more [perceived] "glamorous" clubs for transfers does not mean poorly run, can actually mean well run and not giving into player demands breaking wage structures etc.
Don't confuse poorly run with less attractive from a commercial / publicity / geographical sense. In my opinion they are better run than Man Utd and Spurs with financial stability, good management team and performing within the outlined financial controls. |  | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 13:15 - Aug 12 with 129 views | Radlett_blue |
What will you say if Omari leaves us for £40m on the last day of the transfer window & all we can get to replace him is some donkey on loan? |  |
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