| GK position 09:23 - Aug 18 with 2680 views | tractorboy1978 |
Palmer is absolutely woeful with his feet and I am not just talking about his short passing out from the back. There was a number of times when he kicked 'long' (but it was well short) absolutely nowhere near his target. This was what he did at Birmingham and a big reason we conceded. He also seems to need a couple of touches to get the ball under control half of the time. Do we think we will be looking for another keeper before the window shuts?
|  | | |  |
| GK position on 10:54 - Aug 18 with 548 views | BseaBlue |
| GK position on 10:47 - Aug 18 by southnorfolkblue |
No. That’s something that can be worked on in training. The rest of his keeping is sound and we have far more pressing issues to resolve imho |
So kicking the ball straight to the Birmingham player last week and not coming for the cross yesterday hasn't cost us then? If that was Muric he would be getting pelters for it! |  | | |
| GK position on 10:59 - Aug 18 with 519 views | Kieran_Knows |
| GK position on 10:54 - Aug 18 by BseaBlue |
So kicking the ball straight to the Birmingham player last week and not coming for the cross yesterday hasn't cost us then? If that was Muric he would be getting pelters for it! |
Don’t forget letting the ball roll under his foot over a simple back pass at Birmingham last week also.
He’s not good enough for how we want to play. |  |
| |
| GK position on 11:18 - Aug 18 with 454 views | FrimleyBlue |
| GK position on 10:54 - Aug 18 by BseaBlue |
So kicking the ball straight to the Birmingham player last week and not coming for the cross yesterday hasn't cost us then? If that was Muric he would be getting pelters for it! |
Bare in mind both of our goalkeepers are in their prime years, neither are 1st choice keepers for a team who want to play modern football, and also both have extreme weaknesses, waltons is low shots and corners and ball at feet, palmer sorry to say its basically everything other than the occasional shot stop. He reminds me of Dean Gerken, an ok understudy but you hope you never needed him.
When you buy a keeper at 29 for £2.5 mill, you know you're not getting a top quality keeper
So to let our best keeper leave still imo is silly. |  |
| |
| GK position on 11:22 - Aug 18 with 457 views | LRB84UK |
In the 22/23 season walton kept 19 clean sheets.... I still don't fully understand why he isn't our first choice keeper. I cannot see that any of our more recent keepers are any upgrade in him | | | |
| GK position on 11:28 - Aug 18 with 410 views | southnorfolkblue |
| GK position on 10:54 - Aug 18 by BseaBlue |
So kicking the ball straight to the Birmingham player last week and not coming for the cross yesterday hasn't cost us then? If that was Muric he would be getting pelters for it! |
Unbelievably harsh to blame him for yesterday’s goal. | |
| |
| GK position on 11:31 - Aug 18 with 402 views | NedPlimpton |
| GK position on 11:22 - Aug 18 by LRB84UK |
In the 22/23 season walton kept 19 clean sheets.... I still don't fully understand why he isn't our first choice keeper. I cannot see that any of our more recent keepers are any upgrade in him |
A few reasons
For a start, that was league 1
He was injured for the start of the championship campaign and never won his place back from Hladky
Having been 2nd choice for the entirety of 23/24, and our style of play having moved on massively in that year, it would have been a huge gamble for him to start the prem campaign as our #1
When he did get a chance in the prem he looked pretty poor and was especially slow to get down to save shots
We upgraded with Palmer, albeit a small upgrade [Post edited 18 Aug 11:35]
|  | | |
| GK position on 11:39 - Aug 18 with 372 views | FrimleyBlue |
| GK position on 11:28 - Aug 18 by southnorfolkblue |
Unbelievably harsh to blame him for yesterday’s goal. |
Difficult one. No player should be able to head the ball down the middle from 4 yards out with a floating cross.
Defenders weren't great either. But that's bread and butter for a keeper on his toes | |
| |
| GK position on 11:42 - Aug 18 with 358 views | HighgateBlue |
| GK position on 11:22 - Aug 18 by LRB84UK |
In the 22/23 season walton kept 19 clean sheets.... I still don't fully understand why he isn't our first choice keeper. I cannot see that any of our more recent keepers are any upgrade in him |
Last time we were in the championship we did very well.
But have we really come to the point where we've spent a net tens of millions of pounds and the best we can do is pick our reserve keeper from that era? Can that really make us a better side than we were then? I really don't think so.
Anyone who saw Walton against Fulham in the league cup in 2023/24 will know why he wasn't playing for us in the league.
How we've got where we are as regards keepers is beyond me.
See also: CM and number 9. Bizarro world. |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| GK position on 11:51 - Aug 18 with 321 views | southnorfolkblue |
| GK position on 11:39 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Difficult one. No player should be able to head the ball down the middle from 4 yards out with a floating cross.
Defenders weren't great either. But that's bread and butter for a keeper on his toes |
Personally I’d be looking at the defenders both in the lead up to the goal and dealing with the cross, but that’s just my opinion 👍 | |
| |
| GK position on 11:51 - Aug 18 with 322 views | mellowblue |
Bit of a rushed. panicked buying decision at the time. Good, solid and reliable but no baller. I expect we will stick with him, unless it gets calamitous. | | | |
| GK position on 11:51 - Aug 18 with 320 views | BseaBlue |
| GK position on 11:28 - Aug 18 by southnorfolkblue |
Unbelievably harsh to blame him for yesterday’s goal. |
Keepers should command the 6 yard box. He should be coming and claiming a cross from 4 yards out, or at least putting the attacker under pressure. It isn't the first time he has looked unconvincing at crosses. | | | |
| GK position on 11:54 - Aug 18 with 307 views | FrimleyBlue |
| GK position on 11:51 - Aug 18 by southnorfolkblue |
Personally I’d be looking at the defenders both in the lead up to the goal and dealing with the cross, but that’s just my opinion 👍 |
You are right, as said yesturday it's a collective, starts with greaves, then davis, then the others then palmer, anyone of them could stop that goal from potentially happening, the keeper is there as that last resort, so when that ball floats across your 6 yard line, you've got to be claiming that though | |
| |
| GK position on 12:03 - Aug 18 with 295 views | Wallingford_Boy |
K Mc very happy with Palmer and rightly so, we won't be signing a new keeper. |  |
| |
| GK position on 12:03 - Aug 18 with 294 views | _clive_baker_ |
| GK position on 11:51 - Aug 18 by BseaBlue |
Keepers should command the 6 yard box. He should be coming and claiming a cross from 4 yards out, or at least putting the attacker under pressure. It isn't the first time he has looked unconvincing at crosses. |
I don't think it was 4 yards in fairness. Robinson was on the penalty spot when that ball came in and on the 6 yard line when he makes contact.
It was sh1te defending all round. I don't what Greaves is thinking to begin with to be honest, proper rush of blood to the head, he then seems to take an age to get back after he's lost the ball. Davis doesn't need to try and win it wither, and despite good work from Taylor to slow the momentum Greaves still finds himself in no mans land rather than between the posts where you want him. Questionable whether Palmer could've claimed it, its borderline for me but not one I'd be too critical of him on. |  | | |
| GK position on 12:05 - Aug 18 with 285 views | FrimleyBlue |
| GK position on 12:03 - Aug 18 by _clive_baker_ |
I don't think it was 4 yards in fairness. Robinson was on the penalty spot when that ball came in and on the 6 yard line when he makes contact.
It was sh1te defending all round. I don't what Greaves is thinking to begin with to be honest, proper rush of blood to the head, he then seems to take an age to get back after he's lost the ball. Davis doesn't need to try and win it wither, and despite good work from Taylor to slow the momentum Greaves still finds himself in no mans land rather than between the posts where you want him. Questionable whether Palmer could've claimed it, its borderline for me but not one I'd be too critical of him on. |
Greaves did the same run in the 2nd half, so clearly something KM has asked him to do, which interested me as we saw the effects of the first run and still asked him to do it again 2nd half. | |
| |
| GK position on 12:05 - Aug 18 with 282 views | BseaBlue |
| GK position on 12:03 - Aug 18 by _clive_baker_ |
I don't think it was 4 yards in fairness. Robinson was on the penalty spot when that ball came in and on the 6 yard line when he makes contact.
It was sh1te defending all round. I don't what Greaves is thinking to begin with to be honest, proper rush of blood to the head, he then seems to take an age to get back after he's lost the ball. Davis doesn't need to try and win it wither, and despite good work from Taylor to slow the momentum Greaves still finds himself in no mans land rather than between the posts where you want him. Questionable whether Palmer could've claimed it, its borderline for me but not one I'd be too critical of him on. |
I completely agree about the defending. Greaves has a brain fart and then Taylor has to do better to stop the cross in my opinion. Palmer is just rooted to the spot though. He half flapped at one in the second half too! | | | |
| GK position on 12:08 - Aug 18 with 270 views | Smoresy |
| GK position on 11:42 - Aug 18 by HighgateBlue |
Last time we were in the championship we did very well.
But have we really come to the point where we've spent a net tens of millions of pounds and the best we can do is pick our reserve keeper from that era? Can that really make us a better side than we were then? I really don't think so.
Anyone who saw Walton against Fulham in the league cup in 2023/24 will know why he wasn't playing for us in the league.
How we've got where we are as regards keepers is beyond me.
See also: CM and number 9. Bizarro world. |
The Fulham cup game was anomalous in fairness (one of the worst keeper performances I've seen live), but agree with you otherwise and we don't need to look far back to when Walton last underperformed. He made the big error against Bromley after all. And footwork isn't a strength of his either.
Palmer is still a good Championship keeper imo, he's demonstrated that over a few years now, but he clearly isn't blessed with good feet. Are there many ballers in this league though? Hladky felt a one-off. | | | |
| GK position on 12:10 - Aug 18 with 264 views | _clive_baker_ |
| GK position on 12:05 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Greaves did the same run in the 2nd half, so clearly something KM has asked him to do, which interested me as we saw the effects of the first run and still asked him to do it again 2nd half. |
Not directed to you specifically but one thing that really boils my p1ss is 'manager has asked him to do' comments. There's a real difference between stepping out from the back and in game decision making. Players have to read game situations and be street wise enough to manage different situations. Burgess was encouraged to do it too its nothing new, but stepping out with the ball is very different to trying to beat 3 men in the centre circle. Its not being smart in hindsight, it was brainless at the time and I still don't really know what he was trying to do. I'm not sure he did. | | | |
| GK position on 12:14 - Aug 18 with 247 views | mellowblue |
| GK position on 12:03 - Aug 18 by _clive_baker_ |
I don't think it was 4 yards in fairness. Robinson was on the penalty spot when that ball came in and on the 6 yard line when he makes contact.
It was sh1te defending all round. I don't what Greaves is thinking to begin with to be honest, proper rush of blood to the head, he then seems to take an age to get back after he's lost the ball. Davis doesn't need to try and win it wither, and despite good work from Taylor to slow the momentum Greaves still finds himself in no mans land rather than between the posts where you want him. Questionable whether Palmer could've claimed it, its borderline for me but not one I'd be too critical of him on. |
I have watched it a dozen times, it's just a good goal, lovely hung up cross, attackers have got the run on the defenders who are all caught flat-footed under the ball, two of the strikers cueing up to score. I'm not too critical, though some of our players are in no-mans land doing nothing in particular (Leif, Greaves) | | | |
| GK position on 12:15 - Aug 18 with 241 views | FrimleyBlue |
| GK position on 12:10 - Aug 18 by _clive_baker_ |
Not directed to you specifically but one thing that really boils my p1ss is 'manager has asked him to do' comments. There's a real difference between stepping out from the back and in game decision making. Players have to read game situations and be street wise enough to manage different situations. Burgess was encouraged to do it too its nothing new, but stepping out with the ball is very different to trying to beat 3 men in the centre circle. Its not being smart in hindsight, it was brainless at the time and I still don't really know what he was trying to do. I'm not sure he did. |
Yeah good point Clive, bad choice of wording from me on that part
It's really annoying when you watch that goal back, when he picks the ball up, johnson is free next to him, or even when he's beaten the first player Azor is next to him or even pass it to philogene who's wide of him, but he then runs into two players, then jobs at snails pace back.
Didn't really at first though how poor taylor handled that situation either, joining in two town players and just leaving a wideman, very poor indeed. | |
| |
| GK position on 12:19 - Aug 18 with 228 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| GK position on 12:14 - Aug 18 by mellowblue |
I have watched it a dozen times, it's just a good goal, lovely hung up cross, attackers have got the run on the defenders who are all caught flat-footed under the ball, two of the strikers cueing up to score. I'm not too critical, though some of our players are in no-mans land doing nothing in particular (Leif, Greaves) |
Hung up is right. It was in the air for ages, we had a big numerical advantage and really should have dealt with it. If the cross was fizzed in nice and flat I’d be less critical. |  |
| |
| GK position on 12:20 - Aug 18 with 222 views | DJR |
| GK position on 12:14 - Aug 18 by mellowblue |
I have watched it a dozen times, it's just a good goal, lovely hung up cross, attackers have got the run on the defenders who are all caught flat-footed under the ball, two of the strikers cueing up to score. I'm not too critical, though some of our players are in no-mans land doing nothing in particular (Leif, Greaves) |
There was also a Southampton player at the near post whom he had to cover, given he didn't know where the cross would go. |  | | |
| GK position on 13:24 - Aug 18 with 139 views | Facefacts |
I've praised Vas a lot on here before and he had his weaknesses, highlighted by the free kick he conceded at Norwich, our highest profile game - when we never turned up, but we won't go and get him from Burnley as we forced him out by not valuing him enough to upgrade his contract even to Championship level. Too much egg on McKenna and especially Ashton's face to admit they were wrong?
Actually when Hladky has (rarely) played for Burnley he's made an error and not staked a claim for a first team spot. Only when he played the Ipswich way with the momentum we built at the time, that made him the player of our Championship season I think. In some ways he was the difference between a very good season and what turned out to be a great season.
The type of things he was brilliant at did have a huge impact on our way of playing as we bossed the Championship and the speed of thought in making the right pass, he did have the vision and skill of a very good outfield player.
But when you look at goalkeeper stats, they can in no way value Hladky, a player who started his career as an outfield player then went in goal. Probably Muric had good stats, so we splashed the cash.
We haven't replaced Hladky and I don't think he is replaceable. Just have to make do and adjust. I think his departure damaged both him and us, and we have too many sub standard keepers on the books now because of the standards that Hladky set. We could spend a lot more and still things wouldn't feel right with our way of playing, the goalkeeper effortlessly pinging long and short passes, as someone has said on this thread, it's the football brain he had and the suave comfort on the ball. The nearest comparison I can think of is like Glenn Hoddle used to do when he dropped back to playing sweeper for Swindon Town, towards the end of his playing career. |  | | |
| GK position on 13:33 - Aug 18 with 107 views | cressi |
Rather Banks or Shilton in goal than Zidane or Pirlo. | | | |
| GK position on 13:36 - Aug 18 with 89 views | Parky |
| GK position on 09:28 - Aug 18 by Kieran_Knows |
It’s as big of a priority as a new striker/centre mid/winger. We have to sign a new keeper, and I think we’ll regret it if we don’t. |
Should be going all out to get Anthony Patterson from Sunderland. | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
