| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter 11:03 - Aug 27 with 1561 views | RIPbobby |
When people obviously use more gas/electricity. Very sneaky after reducing the price the last 2 years during the summer. Weak excuse to.
Do not trust society/government. Lining their own pockets. Disgusting behaviour. Mind you it's bringing them closer to civil war when the English fight back. [Post edited 27 Aug 11:04]
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 14:28 - Aug 27 with 354 views | BlueBadger |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 13:17 - Aug 27 by Trequartista |
Govt schemes costs have increased higher than the drop in wholesale costs. Miliband is energy minister. |
It's almost like privatised energy is a drain on the the country. |  |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 14:49 - Aug 27 with 327 views | jasondozzell |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 14:28 - Aug 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
No it wasn’t (and ironic you call others gullible) - there’s about 4 fact check services each one will point out the obvious errors (including 58bn uncosted for women’s pensions). His renationalisation programme wasn’t either - because it he didn’t know what the fixed costs were (would be decided in court). Plus he omitted a further £60bn of National Grid infrastructure which would also need to be acquired to bring energy under state operation.
All the above was in his 2019 manifesto. Honestly Corbynistas’s are very Trumpist in denial of actual facts. |
Not true.
It was fully costed. McDonnell actually pioneered the costing approach with both documents published alongside each other.
https://www.ft.com/content/d6f56834-0f78-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae
The signatories included:
David G Blanchflower
Bruce V Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics. University of Stirling; former member, Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Victoria Chick
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London
Lord Meghnad Desai
Emeritus Professor of Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science
Stephany Griffith-Jones
Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex; Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University
Simon Wren-Lewis
Emeritus Professor of Economics and Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford
I'm not a Corbynista. I just wanted mild democratic socialism. |  | | |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 14:59 - Aug 27 with 311 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 14:49 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
Not true.
It was fully costed. McDonnell actually pioneered the costing approach with both documents published alongside each other.
https://www.ft.com/content/d6f56834-0f78-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae
The signatories included:
David G Blanchflower
Bruce V Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics. University of Stirling; former member, Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Victoria Chick
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London
Lord Meghnad Desai
Emeritus Professor of Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science
Stephany Griffith-Jones
Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex; Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University
Simon Wren-Lewis
Emeritus Professor of Economics and Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford
I'm not a Corbynista. I just wanted mild democratic socialism. |
The National Grid piece is absolutely true (it wasn’t included in the cost) - as was the women’s pensions added and completely uncosted. Even the IFS was unable to reconcile his numbers on Energy renationalisation.
“It is difficult to estimate exactly how much nationalisation will save or cost, as the outcome of nationalisation will depend on a wide range of factors.”
The signatories are only approving what was put in front of them - not what went into the final manifesto (I.e the stuff he just threw in).
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-the-gaps-in-labours-spending-p
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:04 - Aug 27 with 301 views | Meadowlark |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 14:13 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
Corbyn's 2019 manifesto was fully costed.
The 'grown up' politics that the media and the gullible thought they were getting is in government now. Starmer and co. That's working out well isn't it? [Post edited 27 Aug 14:14]
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"Gullible?"
Who should the non-gullible have voted for? |  | | |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:24 - Aug 27 with 279 views | positivity |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:04 - Aug 27 by Meadowlark |
"Gullible?"
Who should the non-gullible have voted for? |
move to north islington and vote for jezza? | |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:51 - Aug 27 with 259 views | jasondozzell |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:04 - Aug 27 by Meadowlark |
"Gullible?"
Who should the non-gullible have voted for? |
Any party that had principles. | | | |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:56 - Aug 27 with 237 views | positivity |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:51 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
Any party that had principles. |
all parties have principles, some of those principles are more laudable than others | |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:02 - Aug 27 with 220 views | jasondozzell |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 15:56 - Aug 27 by positivity |
all parties have principles, some of those principles are more laudable than others |
The Labour party in its current guise doesn't have any. | | | |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:26 - Aug 27 with 191 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:02 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
The Labour party in its current guise doesn't have any. |
None that you recognise as being worthy. |  |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:31 - Aug 27 with 191 views | WD19 |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 11:36 - Aug 27 by BlueBadger |
Ed Miliband owns all the utilities now? |
No, mostly he just owns the OP. |  | | |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:41 - Aug 27 with 175 views | positivity |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:02 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
The Labour party in its current guise doesn't have any. |
they have loads, just maybe not ones that you agree with | |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:46 - Aug 27 with 170 views | jasondozzell |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:41 - Aug 27 by positivity |
they have loads, just maybe not ones that you agree with |
What are their principles?
What is their proposition? [Post edited 27 Aug 16:47]
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 17:02 - Aug 27 with 141 views | positivity |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 16:46 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
What are their principles?
What is their proposition? [Post edited 27 Aug 16:47]
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what's your party's principles? what are their propositions?
labours would include supporting education, not crashing the economy, having an nhs free at the point of use, investing in clean energy etc etc, sure you could take a look on their website!
the beauty of never being in power like your corbyns/farages/galloways/lowes is that you can promise the moon on a stick and never have to compromise... | |
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 17:09 - Aug 27 with 123 views | jasondozzell |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 17:02 - Aug 27 by positivity |
what's your party's principles? what are their propositions?
labours would include supporting education, not crashing the economy, having an nhs free at the point of use, investing in clean energy etc etc, sure you could take a look on their website!
the beauty of never being in power like your corbyns/farages/galloways/lowes is that you can promise the moon on a stick and never have to compromise... |
A nurse in this country graduates with 50k+ of debt.
They are about to enter into more disastrous PFI initiatives.
Starmer cancelled the Green New Deal.
Education is in crisis.
They are complicit in a genocide.
Reeves has boxed herself into a corner - just wait until the reaction to the Autumn budget.
They have no principles.
“The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently." David Graeber. [Post edited 27 Aug 17:10]
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| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 17:19 - Aug 27 with 91 views | positivity |
| Ofgen predictably increase prices for winter on 17:09 - Aug 27 by jasondozzell |
A nurse in this country graduates with 50k+ of debt.
They are about to enter into more disastrous PFI initiatives.
Starmer cancelled the Green New Deal.
Education is in crisis.
They are complicit in a genocide.
Reeves has boxed herself into a corner - just wait until the reaction to the Autumn budget.
They have no principles.
“The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently." David Graeber. [Post edited 27 Aug 17:10]
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so you're criticising the degree of the principle, that's fair, no-one ever achieves 100% of their priciples. doesn't mean they don't exist
however, notice you haven't given any principles of your party at all. i'm not surprised! | |
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