| Genuine question.... 16:28 - Aug 31 with 1281 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
Have you seen a progression in McKenna's management since our winning of promotion to Championship? If so, how?
Obviously he's still a young and relatively inexperienced manager and we gave him a chance. I think we all saw how his 20min (Chappers injurys) team talk and halftime tweeks along with the changing of front line affected games.
I've heard arguments that he didn't learn and react quick enough in Premier League, and others say he's too predictable.
What does the TWTD collective think? |  |
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| Genuine question.... on 17:03 - Aug 31 with 1159 views | bsw72 |
You’ll get a huge range of replies on this one which all will be subjective based on how much people see and understand the technical details of the game with their own eyes and how much they are influenced by the media perspective.
People get fixated with terms such as low block, high press, double pivot and false 9 and then try to interpret what a manager is doing based on their understanding and interpretation of these (and other) terms.
For what it’s worth, I think that McKenna has evolved his tactics but I think he was very fortunate on how well the team he built in 22-23 clicked, and is now trying to make the new team click, but it’s not proving as simple.
As I have said before I think the true measure of a manager is the ability to build one team and then successfully rebuild the next team smoothly, something that Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Bill Shankly and Matt Busby did well and McKenna has struggled with a bit, but I have confidence he will do it. [Post edited 31 Aug 17:07]
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| Genuine question.... on 17:54 - Aug 31 with 1019 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
| Genuine question.... on 17:03 - Aug 31 by bsw72 |
You’ll get a huge range of replies on this one which all will be subjective based on how much people see and understand the technical details of the game with their own eyes and how much they are influenced by the media perspective.
People get fixated with terms such as low block, high press, double pivot and false 9 and then try to interpret what a manager is doing based on their understanding and interpretation of these (and other) terms.
For what it’s worth, I think that McKenna has evolved his tactics but I think he was very fortunate on how well the team he built in 22-23 clicked, and is now trying to make the new team click, but it’s not proving as simple.
As I have said before I think the true measure of a manager is the ability to build one team and then successfully rebuild the next team smoothly, something that Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Bill Shankly and Matt Busby did well and McKenna has struggled with a bit, but I have confidence he will do it. [Post edited 31 Aug 17:07]
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Thanks for the reply. I'm hoping for a range of opinions as I'm interested to know what people think.
I've heard many people say that KM is too rigid in knowing what changes he wants to make and when rather than be reactive to what is happening Infront of him.
I really hope I get a range of opinions and not just yours! | |
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| Genuine question.... on 17:58 - Aug 31 with 974 views | keighleyblue |
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| Genuine question.... on 18:02 - Aug 31 with 936 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Genuine question.... on 17:03 - Aug 31 by bsw72 |
You’ll get a huge range of replies on this one which all will be subjective based on how much people see and understand the technical details of the game with their own eyes and how much they are influenced by the media perspective.
People get fixated with terms such as low block, high press, double pivot and false 9 and then try to interpret what a manager is doing based on their understanding and interpretation of these (and other) terms.
For what it’s worth, I think that McKenna has evolved his tactics but I think he was very fortunate on how well the team he built in 22-23 clicked, and is now trying to make the new team click, but it’s not proving as simple.
As I have said before I think the true measure of a manager is the ability to build one team and then successfully rebuild the next team smoothly, something that Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Bill Shankly and Matt Busby did well and McKenna has struggled with a bit, but I have confidence he will do it. [Post edited 31 Aug 17:07]
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Very good post.
My feeling is that Kmc is having to now build his second team. There has been a very big player turnover this summer, more than anyone really anticipated. Coupled with the difficulties in getting deals done and new players in to play the way we want and need, it’s going to take time.
There isn’t another young coach currently that I would want in the position and I’m in agreement, Kmc will be better for these times and will again deliver. |  | | |
| Genuine question.... on 18:31 - Aug 31 with 832 views | muccletonjoe |
In my opinion, McKenna struggles with the low block and always has, both attacking against and defending from breaking from it. The team selection and tactics which revolve around this , only makes it easier for opposition to defend against his teams. It happens every single game in one form or another . The excuse some people have put up on his behalf of integrating players doesn't really stand up when you look how long the vast majority of our starting 11 have been together. |  | | |
| Genuine question.... on 18:37 - Aug 31 with 787 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Genuine question.... on 18:31 - Aug 31 by muccletonjoe |
In my opinion, McKenna struggles with the low block and always has, both attacking against and defending from breaking from it. The team selection and tactics which revolve around this , only makes it easier for opposition to defend against his teams. It happens every single game in one form or another . The excuse some people have put up on his behalf of integrating players doesn't really stand up when you look how long the vast majority of our starting 11 have been together. |
To be fair most teams that play like us struggle against the low block. In the past we've gradually worn teams down and to be fair I think we were getting there against Derby, creating chances. But our finishing was atrocious. | |
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| Genuine question.... on 18:38 - Aug 31 with 785 views | itfcserbia |
| Genuine question.... on 17:03 - Aug 31 by bsw72 |
You’ll get a huge range of replies on this one which all will be subjective based on how much people see and understand the technical details of the game with their own eyes and how much they are influenced by the media perspective.
People get fixated with terms such as low block, high press, double pivot and false 9 and then try to interpret what a manager is doing based on their understanding and interpretation of these (and other) terms.
For what it’s worth, I think that McKenna has evolved his tactics but I think he was very fortunate on how well the team he built in 22-23 clicked, and is now trying to make the new team click, but it’s not proving as simple.
As I have said before I think the true measure of a manager is the ability to build one team and then successfully rebuild the next team smoothly, something that Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Bill Shankly and Matt Busby did well and McKenna has struggled with a bit, but I have confidence he will do it. [Post edited 31 Aug 17:07]
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A very fair and well written post.
I personally struggle to make this conclusion for myself. On some matters he clearly has evolved and tries to implement new ideas (ie. fullback/wingback midfield roles) but on others we just seem to clearly regress (set pieces being my main issue). |  |
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| Genuine question.... on 02:33 - Sep 1 with 590 views | muccletonjoe |
| Genuine question.... on 18:37 - Aug 31 by TheBoyBlue |
To be fair most teams that play like us struggle against the low block. In the past we've gradually worn teams down and to be fair I think we were getting there against Derby, creating chances. But our finishing was atrocious. |
We struggle against the low block because we play straight into the trap , slow backwards/ sideways passing 30 yards from goal with 10 men behind the ball is always going to produce very few chances. You have to disrupt a low block with pace, very quick pass and move, long balls. We don't seem capable of any of those things at the moment. Until we are it will be a big problem for us. | | | |
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| Genuine question.... on 08:12 - Sep 1 with 381 views | BrockleyBlue78 |
No.
But, like some many of our signings, he has the ceiling / potential to improve. Needs to be more flexible in setup and approach, see his reluctance last season to move to 5 at the back, then slow to move away from it. He, and the soon confirmed squad, need to learn to be more flexible during games. Any well prepared opposition manager would find it relatively straightforward to setup against our teams, in a similar vein to Silva’s comments about Amorim the other week. It’s been hard to create the same “greater than the sum of the parts” results with such wholesale changes and injuries and underperformance of various signings (setup to throw ins this season is a small but good example of difficult it is to fully impose KM’s detailed and methodical approach quickly). As many others have observed, let’s see where he is in another 4-5 games, and then again come Christmas - by which time he will have had sufficient time to show how he’s learnt to win games, how he’s learnt to be flexible to get results, how he’s learnt to try different things (2 up top, 4-3-3, 5-3-2) to unlock defences. Mick, for all his faults and restrictions, was pragmatic, we might need to see a dose of this in coming months. |  | | |
| Genuine question.... on 08:53 - Sep 1 with 282 views | ArnieM |
OP: No |  |
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| Genuine question.... on 09:07 - Sep 1 with 227 views | Bluesky |
| Genuine question.... on 17:03 - Aug 31 by bsw72 |
You’ll get a huge range of replies on this one which all will be subjective based on how much people see and understand the technical details of the game with their own eyes and how much they are influenced by the media perspective.
People get fixated with terms such as low block, high press, double pivot and false 9 and then try to interpret what a manager is doing based on their understanding and interpretation of these (and other) terms.
For what it’s worth, I think that McKenna has evolved his tactics but I think he was very fortunate on how well the team he built in 22-23 clicked, and is now trying to make the new team click, but it’s not proving as simple.
As I have said before I think the true measure of a manager is the ability to build one team and then successfully rebuild the next team smoothly, something that Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Bill Shankly and Matt Busby did well and McKenna has struggled with a bit, but I have confidence he will do it. [Post edited 31 Aug 17:07]
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A very sensible, measured view. |  | | |
| Genuine question.... on 09:18 - Sep 1 with 182 views | Bluesky |
My concerns are:-
-Our high injury rate - I thought the American influence in our medical team would have been more prominent.
-Our vulnerability defending set pieces and recent lack of imagination applying them. (We used to be quite innovative with corners). This in spite of having a set piece coach
- Our defending generally - doesn't seem to be Kieran's strong point.
I still trust his planning and strategy - his team building and motivational qualities. (Morsy doesn't call someone a 'genius' for nothing)
But I do wonder if he needs to look again at his support staff.
Otherwise - we forget our precipitous rise in his hands; it was faster than he anticipated and caught him out a bit. He will rebuild successfully. And many posters on here condemning the like of Philogene, Clark, Hirst, Taylor will, I think, be swallowing their words before long. How long did Bobby take to become consistently successful?? | | | |
| Genuine question.... on 10:06 - Sep 1 with 90 views | jpr_23 |
| Genuine question.... on 17:03 - Aug 31 by bsw72 |
You’ll get a huge range of replies on this one which all will be subjective based on how much people see and understand the technical details of the game with their own eyes and how much they are influenced by the media perspective.
People get fixated with terms such as low block, high press, double pivot and false 9 and then try to interpret what a manager is doing based on their understanding and interpretation of these (and other) terms.
For what it’s worth, I think that McKenna has evolved his tactics but I think he was very fortunate on how well the team he built in 22-23 clicked, and is now trying to make the new team click, but it’s not proving as simple.
As I have said before I think the true measure of a manager is the ability to build one team and then successfully rebuild the next team smoothly, something that Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Bill Shankly and Matt Busby did well and McKenna has struggled with a bit, but I have confidence he will do it. [Post edited 31 Aug 17:07]
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Think McKenna is a genuinely talented young manager, still learning, and I really struggle to think of anyone better who would be interested in coming to Ipswich.
He and the club have had a lot to deal with in the last few years with back-to-back promotions, all of the added pressure of the stadium changes and hullabaloo of joining the Premier League, a relegation and building teams to face each of the divisions that we find ourselves in. Without the promotions and relegations, it would have been more of a evolution each transfer window than a revolution, but in the main we have done well. The Premier League season was clearly a failure, but it was with fairly small margins in some games.
I'm confident that we will have a good season, but it won't be a smooth ride. It wasn't in the promotion year, and it will be tough this year. We do need to get the team bedded into the system and firing well, and it must be hard to pivot from spending last year mainly defending, to getting much more possession and trying to break down a low-block this year.
McKenna will be learning from all of this, and adapting the team, and I don't think it will be long before we see some of the more flowing moves coming back and starting to put teams under real pressure. |  |
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| Genuine question.... on 11:14 - Sep 1 with 18 views | Sharkey |
Not answering the question, but there's a thing I wonder about this manager and whether anything has changed.
When he came in, much was made of how he made players train longer and (if I'm remembering correctly) more intensively than anything the players had ever experienced before. And this was held up as a good thing, and the players spoke positively about it as the team made its merry way up the leagues. I'm not forgetting that the players also said that they found each training session meaningful, but nevertheless the question I had was if this level of training is such a good thing, why isn't everyone doing it? Maybe he was bringing PL standards to a L1 team. Or maybe he was letting his own enthusiasm for coaching override what objective sports scientists would recommend.
I wonder if they still train longer and harder than players at, say, Crystal Palace (also with a bright young(ish) manager), or to stay in the Championship, let's say West Brom or Leicester. |  | | |
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