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So here we go! 07:24 - Sep 10 with 1048 viewsbluejacko

Pootin is now pushing to see how for he can go with NATO!

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/poland-shoots-down-drones-its

Good on the Poles but I can’t see it being only once the madman does this🙄
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So here we go! on 07:30 - Sep 10 with 1004 viewstonybied

My Polish partner has gone to work terrified this morning. Almost as terrified as she was when the war first started and when a projectile landed across their border a couple of years ago.

Her family live fairly deep in the south east of the country, not too far from the Ukrainian border, so you can probably understand her worry.

Putin can f#ck right off!
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So here we go! on 07:42 - Sep 10 with 936 viewsgiant_stow

Hard to believe really. Feels like the Russians are almost goading Trump.

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So here we go! on 07:49 - Sep 10 with 886 viewsbluejacko

So here we go! on 07:42 - Sep 10 by giant_stow

Hard to believe really. Feels like the Russians are almost goading Trump.


They are! It’s so stupid for Pootin though Poland is the fastest rearming country in Europe! IF the poles were to get involved through NATO or off their own back they have very big and capable forces for the orcs to contend with.
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So here we go! on 07:55 - Sep 10 with 857 viewsBloomBlue

He feels empowered after visiting that China miltary parade last week.
He sees China is now capable of giving America a very bloody nose, well they will be soon if they continue building their miltary at this rate. I genuinely think he believes China will stand with him if NATO gets involved, and that will scare NATO to turn away from conflict.
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So here we go! on 07:57 - Sep 10 with 845 viewsBluemike31

World war Three started when they invaded Ukraine, it's just a slow burner until it really gets going.
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So here we go! on 09:25 - Sep 10 with 569 viewsGuthrum

So here we go! on 07:49 - Sep 10 by bluejacko

They are! It’s so stupid for Pootin though Poland is the fastest rearming country in Europe! IF the poles were to get involved through NATO or off their own back they have very big and capable forces for the orcs to contend with.


The Russians don't want the Poles to get involved now. This is accidental-on-purpose testing of resolution and who will back whom. A gentle pushing of the envelope.

This is a slightly tricky time for Poland, with a new President, Karol Nowrocki, who is a friend of Trump and from the political opponents of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. There has been quite a lot of bitterness in recent elections, so it could have been a moment of fragility, ripe for stirring up some instability in the nation. From what I've read, doubt it will work. Nowrocki and Tusk may differ on many things, but not that much over Russia.

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So here we go! on 09:33 - Sep 10 with 495 viewsitfc_bucks

So here we go! on 07:57 - Sep 10 by Bluemike31

World war Three started when they invaded Ukraine, it's just a slow burner until it really gets going.


I'm genuinely concerned you may be right.

We'll know for sure when China goes for Taiwan.
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So here we go! on 09:35 - Sep 10 with 494 viewsBluemike31

So here we go! on 09:33 - Sep 10 by itfc_bucks

I'm genuinely concerned you may be right.

We'll know for sure when China goes for Taiwan.


As scary as the thought is I believe it is a real possibility.
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So here we go! on 09:40 - Sep 10 with 466 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

So here we go! on 07:57 - Sep 10 by Bluemike31

World war Three started when they invaded Ukraine, it's just a slow burner until it really gets going.


The resource wars started way before that, Kuwait/Iraq perhaps.

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So here we go! on 09:51 - Sep 10 with 410 viewsbsw72

So here we go! on 07:57 - Sep 10 by Bluemike31

World war Three started when they invaded Ukraine, it's just a slow burner until it really gets going.


Well, you could, but are you referring to 2022 invasion or the annexing of Crimea in 2014, then consider the invasion of Georgia in 2008, or the first Chechen wars in 1994 and 1999-2009, or the Transnistria War in 1990 (Russia has had troops illegally based in East Moldova since 1992).

The Russian Federation has been invading and stationing troops / controlling puppet governments since the public demise of the Soviet Union in 1991 - the name may have changed by the military approach didn't, it was just more insular. The West has let them do this unabated until 2022 . . . well, the Western Gvmts have voiced their displeasure but not acted.

The fact Ukraine has become such a mainstream issue is that it has involved a country much further West than previous, and one that had a more direct impact on the West due to food / energy supply impact.
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So here we go! on 09:56 - Sep 10 with 385 viewsGuthrum

So here we go! on 09:40 - Sep 10 by BanksterDebtSlave

The resource wars started way before that, Kuwait/Iraq perhaps.


Three things have almost always been responsible for wars throughout history: Resources, offence/injured pride and revenge.

The Roman Empire collapsed largely because of infighting over who controlled its wealth, compounded by resource-hungry invaders from outside.

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So here we go! on 10:01 - Sep 10 with 363 viewsbluejacko

So here we go! on 09:25 - Sep 10 by Guthrum

The Russians don't want the Poles to get involved now. This is accidental-on-purpose testing of resolution and who will back whom. A gentle pushing of the envelope.

This is a slightly tricky time for Poland, with a new President, Karol Nowrocki, who is a friend of Trump and from the political opponents of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. There has been quite a lot of bitterness in recent elections, so it could have been a moment of fragility, ripe for stirring up some instability in the nation. From what I've read, doubt it will work. Nowrocki and Tusk may differ on many things, but not that much over Russia.


You’re probably right, but it will only take one of those drones to fall on a Polish head and all bets will be off!same as the GPS jamming coming out of Kalingrad ,one airliner going into another or dodgy landing and again the poo will hit the fan!
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So here we go! on 10:08 - Sep 10 with 330 viewsGuthrum

So here we go! on 10:01 - Sep 10 by bluejacko

You’re probably right, but it will only take one of those drones to fall on a Polish head and all bets will be off!same as the GPS jamming coming out of Kalingrad ,one airliner going into another or dodgy landing and again the poo will hit the fan!
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Indeed, it's a risky game of brinkmanship. The protagonists are not entirely sure how far things can go - and accidents do happen.

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So here we go! on 10:11 - Sep 10 with 307 viewsDJR

I hadn't realised until I saw pictures yesterday just how large military drones are. I had thought they were more the size of something you can buy from Currys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition
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So here we go! on 10:19 - Sep 10 with 248 viewsTIB

So here we go! on 10:01 - Sep 10 by bluejacko

You’re probably right, but it will only take one of those drones to fall on a Polish head and all bets will be off!same as the GPS jamming coming out of Kalingrad ,one airliner going into another or dodgy landing and again the poo will hit the fan!
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Not much happened when Putin shot down that commercial Malaysian flight years back…or the Azerbaijan flight last year.

People will die, it’ll be forgotten and our illustrious bell*ends of leaders will continue their d**k measuring contest with us as collateral.

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So here we go! on 10:25 - Sep 10 with 214 viewsMookamoo

So here we go! on 07:30 - Sep 10 by tonybied

My Polish partner has gone to work terrified this morning. Almost as terrified as she was when the war first started and when a projectile landed across their border a couple of years ago.

Her family live fairly deep in the south east of the country, not too far from the Ukrainian border, so you can probably understand her worry.

Putin can f#ck right off!


I don't think fully appreciate how they feel over in Poland.

I was there when they rolled into the Crimea and the shock of the locals took me a bit by surprise. As far as they are concerned, once they start coming, they keep coming.
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So here we go! on 10:49 - Sep 10 with 89 viewsGuthrum

So here we go! on 10:11 - Sep 10 by DJR

I hadn't realised until I saw pictures yesterday just how large military drones are. I had thought they were more the size of something you can buy from Currys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition
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They vary greatly, from the kind of thing you do see in Curry's (small front-line observation drones) up to quite large aircraft (such as the Reaper, or some stand-off munitions). Obviously, it depends how much technology needs to be carried and what range/loiter time is required. With explosive devices, enough needs to be carried to make it worthwhile. Stealth and observability are other issues. The smaller something is, the harder to spot, either visually or on radar.

If a drone is shot down (or goes wrong), it's going to fall somewhere and even the wreckage can cause damage. A lot of the reports of destruction coming out of Ukraine are those which have been intercepted or simply missed their targets*. The ones which hit are, obviously, not revealed, as that would help with future aiming.




* Or, additionally, anti-aircraft fire, which has to land somewhere after being sent into the sky.

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So here we go! on 10:53 - Sep 10 with 61 viewsBluemike31

So here we go! on 09:51 - Sep 10 by bsw72

Well, you could, but are you referring to 2022 invasion or the annexing of Crimea in 2014, then consider the invasion of Georgia in 2008, or the first Chechen wars in 1994 and 1999-2009, or the Transnistria War in 1990 (Russia has had troops illegally based in East Moldova since 1992).

The Russian Federation has been invading and stationing troops / controlling puppet governments since the public demise of the Soviet Union in 1991 - the name may have changed by the military approach didn't, it was just more insular. The West has let them do this unabated until 2022 . . . well, the Western Gvmts have voiced their displeasure but not acted.

The fact Ukraine has become such a mainstream issue is that it has involved a country much further West than previous, and one that had a more direct impact on the West due to food / energy supply impact.
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Yep all very true, I was meaning the 2022 invasion under this despot we have now threatening all and sundry.
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