| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 76560 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:12 - Sep 15 with 290 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:19 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
An awful story, and shouldn't happen in any developed country but I always find the argument very bad faith about it in general, would hope not but wouldn't even be surprised if the 'gotcha' style of argument used these days is making things worse for the extremes at both ends of the debate and their real life consequences |
Sorry, it's probably obvious to others and I'm being a bit thick because I've just been woken up at six am. I don't understand your what you mean by "but I always find the argument very bad faith about it in general". What is "it" in this sentence? Is it abortion, 39 week term abortions, rape in relation to abortion, something else? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:29 - Sep 15 with 241 views | itfcjoe |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:12 - Sep 15 by Kropotkin123 |
Sorry, it's probably obvious to others and I'm being a bit thick because I've just been woken up at six am. I don't understand your what you mean by "but I always find the argument very bad faith about it in general". What is "it" in this sentence? Is it abortion, 39 week term abortions, rape in relation to abortion, something else? |
Both sides of it, I feel like one side of debate gets backed into a corner of young girl being raped and having to carry to full term and the other ends up with any abortion ok up until birth when to me both sides of that are morally reprehensible* and the debate spends so long talking about such extreme positions we end up with actual talk of the massive nuance between those 2 extremes and no idea where the line should/could be drawn and why.
I just don't believe anyone talking about a 13 year old who is pregnant through rape would, in anything but a supposed hypothetical insist that they are not allowed to abort it
*I'm sure there are some situations amongst this where this isn't [i.e. if baby unviable and it likely to put mother life at risk to deliver] |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:34 - Sep 15 with 206 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:29 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Both sides of it, I feel like one side of debate gets backed into a corner of young girl being raped and having to carry to full term and the other ends up with any abortion ok up until birth when to me both sides of that are morally reprehensible* and the debate spends so long talking about such extreme positions we end up with actual talk of the massive nuance between those 2 extremes and no idea where the line should/could be drawn and why.
I just don't believe anyone talking about a 13 year old who is pregnant through rape would, in anything but a supposed hypothetical insist that they are not allowed to abort it
*I'm sure there are some situations amongst this where this isn't [i.e. if baby unviable and it likely to put mother life at risk to deliver] |
The point here, again, is that is is kirks explicitly declared view. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:37 - Sep 15 with 190 views | positivity |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:34 - Sep 15 by redrickstuhaart |
The point here, again, is that is is kirks explicitly declared view. |
except that it was apparently a 10 year old, not a 13 year old | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:38 - Sep 15 with 178 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:37 - Sep 15 by positivity |
except that it was apparently a 10 year old, not a 13 year old |
And his daughter... | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:45 - Sep 15 with 141 views | itfcjoe |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:34 - Sep 15 by redrickstuhaart |
The point here, again, is that is is kirks explicitly declared view. |
At no doubt because he's been asked that question and ends up, because of how debate is now, in not being able to show any form of nuance - it has to be black vs white.
Kirk's views were that of an extremist, but every grifter is like that these days - and he certainly was one | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:51 - Sep 15 with 103 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:29 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Both sides of it, I feel like one side of debate gets backed into a corner of young girl being raped and having to carry to full term and the other ends up with any abortion ok up until birth when to me both sides of that are morally reprehensible* and the debate spends so long talking about such extreme positions we end up with actual talk of the massive nuance between those 2 extremes and no idea where the line should/could be drawn and why.
I just don't believe anyone talking about a 13 year old who is pregnant through rape would, in anything but a supposed hypothetical insist that they are not allowed to abort it
*I'm sure there are some situations amongst this where this isn't [i.e. if baby unviable and it likely to put mother life at risk to deliver] |
Think this is a bit of false equivalence to be honest. If you are a hardliner (usually of a religious persuasion) and believe abortion is wrong in all circumstances then, however reluctantly, you have to believe that a child who has been raped must carry a baby to term. Indeed, where abortion is illegal, this is what happens. You can be pro-choice and not be in favour of terminations at 39 weeks. In fact I'd wager 99.9999999999999% of people who feel abortion should be legal don't support 39 week terminations other than in very extreme circumstances (e.g. late discovery of a horrific life limiting disability potentially). |  |
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