| Banksy 20:33 - Sep 10 with 2877 views | wrightsrightglove |
Has this been discussed? Really powerful bit of artwork which they’ve now tried to remove but it’s only made it even more powerful in a classic Banksy way. Makes me wonder whether he’s used some form of paint / technique where he knew they’d try and remove it and he knew exactly how it would look after they tried to do so? Could prove to become more famous than the shredder incident |  | | |  |
| Banksy on 14:17 - Sep 11 with 626 views | WeWereZombies |
Yes, very clever, now on the subject of definitions and their use in adult debate... |  |
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| Banksy on 14:29 - Sep 11 with 579 views | mellowblue |
| Banksy on 09:06 - Sep 11 by WeWereZombies |
Auctioneers use gavels... |
and American judges, to maintain order. | | | |
| Banksy on 14:36 - Sep 11 with 546 views | Blueschev |
| Banksy on 07:50 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
it's worse than trite. it's cliched and unchallenging - it's conformist, safe, unoriginal, and going along with the dominant middle class political world view. there's nothing vaguely unexpected in it. the reaction of everyone who thinks it's great will be "oh yes, i agree with that." if that's what he trades in why doesn't he just stick it on a tea towel or a biscuit tin? but doubtless his bank account will benefit from the publicity. i hope they're passing on to him the cost of repairing the damage to a grade 1 listed building. |
Is there anyone to the left of Tony Blair you don't hold in utter contempt? |  | | |
| Banksy on 14:49 - Sep 11 with 516 views | WeWereZombies |
| Banksy on 14:29 - Sep 11 by mellowblue |
and American judges, to maintain order. |
I was thinking more in terms of deals being made by knocking something on the head, maybe a bit too tenuous for an off the cuff remark. | |
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| Banksy on 15:09 - Sep 11 with 461 views | lowhouseblue |
| Banksy on 14:36 - Sep 11 by Blueschev |
Is there anyone to the left of Tony Blair you don't hold in utter contempt? |
lots and lots of people. from politics, for example starmer, and most of the government along with every previous labour leader except one. it's only the shouty, online left that i find i have less and less patience for. plus banksy would be fine if he did the occasional cartoon in the guardian - as long as you're not expecting to be in any way surprised by it - but instead he's turned reaffirmingly unchallenging pap into a multi-million pound business. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Banksy on 15:13 - Sep 11 with 453 views | mellowblue |
| Banksy on 14:49 - Sep 11 by WeWereZombies |
I was thinking more in terms of deals being made by knocking something on the head, maybe a bit too tenuous for an off the cuff remark. |
ha, I see your drift. | | | |
| Banksy on 15:17 - Sep 11 with 431 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Banksy on 09:06 - Sep 11 by WeWereZombies |
Auctioneers use gavels... |
I’m not sold on that idea |  |
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| Banksy on 15:21 - Sep 11 with 421 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Banksy on 13:45 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
where have i said that i "think damage to a wall is more problematic than people's rights to protest being eroded"? arguing against the erosion of the right to protest while at the same time opposing vandalism to our national heritage by the hackneyed daubs of a self-promoting multi-millionaire are not in anyway incompatible. cliched is defined as "showing a lack of originality; based on frequently repeated phrases or opinions" and nothing describes bansky better. he makes his millions and runs his business by quoting back their own opinions to the privileged classes to that they can say "oh he thinks the same as me and everyone i know - he must be clever, and if he's clever we must be as well". seldom have the emperor's new clothes been worn with self-congratulatory smugness to match that of banksy. [Post edited 11 Sep 13:53]
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We were talking about this piece of art rather than Banksy generally.
What's cliched and non-challenging about this piece of art? Given this thread and the fact we're discussing it from opposite sides suggests neither of those are true.
In your previous post you ridiculued the message of the art and said you "hope they're passing on to him the cost of repairing the damage to a grade 1 listed building" - so it looks very much like you care more about the building than the message.
You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about an artist, which is rather odd... but then art is meant to inflame, so I guess it's done its job. |  |
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| Banksy on 15:24 - Sep 11 with 407 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Banksy on 15:09 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
lots and lots of people. from politics, for example starmer, and most of the government along with every previous labour leader except one. it's only the shouty, online left that i find i have less and less patience for. plus banksy would be fine if he did the occasional cartoon in the guardian - as long as you're not expecting to be in any way surprised by it - but instead he's turned reaffirmingly unchallenging pap into a multi-million pound business. |
LOL. You call him cliched and unchallenging and then suggested he'd be fine if he did the occasional cartoon in the Guardian?!?
You're all over the place, again. | |
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| Banksy on 15:45 - Sep 11 with 370 views | lowhouseblue |
| Banksy on 15:21 - Sep 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We were talking about this piece of art rather than Banksy generally.
What's cliched and non-challenging about this piece of art? Given this thread and the fact we're discussing it from opposite sides suggests neither of those are true.
In your previous post you ridiculued the message of the art and said you "hope they're passing on to him the cost of repairing the damage to a grade 1 listed building" - so it looks very much like you care more about the building than the message.
You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about an artist, which is rather odd... but then art is meant to inflame, so I guess it's done its job. |
judges with gavels oppressing people is a pretty tired trope in political cartoons. every paper will have some version at some point. the first one on this page is the first one i found:
https://www.toonsmag.com/editorial-cartoons-in-holding-governments/
it's unchallenging because its giving you something you agree with. it's safe and tells you that you're views are right. it's about as challenging as a richard osman book. [Post edited 11 Sep 15:51]
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| Banksy on 15:48 - Sep 11 with 352 views | lowhouseblue |
| Banksy on 15:24 - Sep 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
LOL. You call him cliched and unchallenging and then suggested he'd be fine if he did the occasional cartoon in the Guardian?!?
You're all over the place, again. |
it would give guardian readers* what they most desire - their own views echoing back to them. it's not exactly a great compliment.
* the same is of course also true of other newspapers - it's how they all work. | |
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| Banksy on 15:57 - Sep 11 with 322 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Banksy on 15:45 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
judges with gavels oppressing people is a pretty tired trope in political cartoons. every paper will have some version at some point. the first one on this page is the first one i found:
https://www.toonsmag.com/editorial-cartoons-in-holding-governments/
it's unchallenging because its giving you something you agree with. it's safe and tells you that you're views are right. it's about as challenging as a richard osman book. [Post edited 11 Sep 15:51]
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It's clearly challenged you as evidenced in this thread!
And this is 'justice' (rather than a judge per se) against people wishing to protest, which is a bit different.
So art is only challenging if you disagree with it? That's a new one on me. And also doesn't makes sense as some people will agree and some will disagree. So the challenging aspect depends on the viewer's POV rather than the art itself. | |
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| Banksy on 16:47 - Sep 11 with 253 views | Clapham_Junction |
'middle class' is the new 'champagne socialist' |  | | |
| Banksy on 17:02 - Sep 11 with 207 views | DJR |
| Banksy on 13:45 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
where have i said that i "think damage to a wall is more problematic than people's rights to protest being eroded"? arguing against the erosion of the right to protest while at the same time opposing vandalism to our national heritage by the hackneyed daubs of a self-promoting multi-millionaire are not in anyway incompatible. cliched is defined as "showing a lack of originality; based on frequently repeated phrases or opinions" and nothing describes bansky better. he makes his millions and runs his business by quoting back their own opinions to the privileged classes to that they can say "oh he thinks the same as me and everyone i know - he must be clever, and if he's clever we must be as well". seldom have the emperor's new clothes been worn with self-congratulatory smugness to match that of banksy. [Post edited 11 Sep 13:53]
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It is possible not to be convinced by Banksy's work (like me) without being disparaging to others who don't share your view. [Post edited 11 Sep 17:03]
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| Banksy on 17:13 - Sep 11 with 191 views | lowhouseblue |
| Banksy on 17:02 - Sep 11 by DJR |
It is possible not to be convinced by Banksy's work (like me) without being disparaging to others who don't share your view. [Post edited 11 Sep 17:03]
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why else is an essentially bog standard political cartoonist so successful financially other than providing rich people with 'edgy' art which panders to their pre-existing views? it's the cosy comfort of having their opinions echoed back to them while being told it's art. being told you're right, moral and still a little bit edgy is worth £50,000 for any establishment figure. he doesn't have a tiny fraction of the imagination or originality of thought of someone like steve bell - an old fashioned political cartoonist who also doesn't need to deface listed public buildings. | |
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| Banksy on 18:24 - Sep 11 with 92 views | WeWereZombies |
| Banksy on 16:47 - Sep 11 by Clapham_Junction |
'middle class' is the new 'champagne socialist' |
That's rather disparaging to us Cava socialists - although I see myself as more of a Blanquette de Limoux socialist. | |
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