| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. 22:36 - Sep 11 with 3515 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Sums it all up right now. May good prevail. |  | | |  |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:06 - Sep 12 with 717 views | lowhouseblue |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:01 - Sep 12 by mellowblue |
the same goes for the murder of Melissa Hortmann and husband. It got plenty of coverage back in June, more than the 99% of other murders in the US. All depends how newsworthy they are. The murder of the Ukrainian should have received plenty of news coverage, no matter who murdered her. It is a strong human interest story. Same goes for the murders because of a political nature. Kirk is going to get the most exposure because of the Kennedy like assassination is of massive interest, the assailant is still on the run, there is plenty of video feeding the story, hundreds viewed it that feeds into social media and wider, he ws an up and coming, well known, contraversial with high following, probably destined for high office, youi cansee the potential trajectory. Compare him to an unknown Ukrainian emigree and a fairly obscure, though diligent and successful Minnesota legislator. whose murderer was captured next day and the story naturally died with that. The whole thread is flawed as all events got coverage and proportionately. |
i also think the awful hortmann murders would have received more coverage and more on-going coverage if a clear motive had been established - and if that motive had been explicitly political. the fact that it seems to be the, very sadly, usual in the us mix of mental illness and unfocused revenge, makes it less unusual. similarly with the recent murder how it is understood longer term is going to depend on answers to who and why. the murder of the insurance ceo, for example, which seems to have been explicitly political isn't going to drop out of the media and memory etc. |  |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:12 - Sep 12 with 662 views | Herbivore |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 10:53 - Sep 12 by lowhouseblue |
which bit of what i posted is incorrect? seriously - all i've done is refer to easily available published home office stats. why can't you engage in discussion and why do you always resort to insults? do feel free not to come on the board if you find your views being discussed upsetting. |
For some reason you've decided to make an inference, that most murders of Black people are committed by white people, to argue against when nowhere in my post have I suggested that, simply that murder rates amongst Black people are higher. You've also made that inference and argued against it using UK data when my reference to murders in Britain is an aside of a few words in brackets among a much longer post discussing specific murders and the response to them in the US.
There is no debating with you because you never engage with the substantive points that people make, just as you're doing here. Instead you create straw men or narrowly focus on and twist minor points to suit your agenda. I'd encourage you to ask yourself why you do that because the topics you choose to do it on and the way you choose to do it don't put you in a good light, as numerous posters now feel the need to highlight to you. |  |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:32 - Sep 12 with 587 views | DJR |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:06 - Sep 12 by lowhouseblue |
i also think the awful hortmann murders would have received more coverage and more on-going coverage if a clear motive had been established - and if that motive had been explicitly political. the fact that it seems to be the, very sadly, usual in the us mix of mental illness and unfocused revenge, makes it less unusual. similarly with the recent murder how it is understood longer term is going to depend on answers to who and why. the murder of the insurance ceo, for example, which seems to have been explicitly political isn't going to drop out of the media and memory etc. |
The alarming thing with this case is that we don't know the motive for the murder, and yet Trump and others on the right are seeking to make political capital and stir things up.
Surely a responsible President should be seeking to calm things at a time like this, even if the motive does turn out to be political? [Post edited 12 Sep 11:50]
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:35 - Sep 12 with 586 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 09:52 - Sep 12 by blueasfook |
Al Jazeera lol. Surprised you're not getting your news from the Iranian Times these days. |
Are you saying there is no church? |  |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:36 - Sep 12 with 577 views | rkc123 |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 07:07 - Sep 12 by textbackup |
Same for Iryna Zarutska - the silence is absolutely deafening.
Can you just imagine that was the other way round, the US/Europe would be seeing looting, riots, protests.
Incredible how things play out/differ |
You've brought this up in another thread I think and said the same thing, imagine if it was the other way around. Do you mean if a black woman was stabbed by a white man who was experiencing a serious mental health breakdown? Because I'm almost certain that would get far less attention than the very sad case that you've brought up. |  | | |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:46 - Sep 12 with 537 views | noggin |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 09:57 - Sep 12 by textbackup |
I picked it based on the silence of those that would be looting, rioting and protesting if it was the other way round.
Pretty much said as much in my first post.
Remember George Floyd, and what the fallout from that was, that was just another killing in the US amongst the other 50 a day… going to take a guess hear, so I might be wrong, I bet that got your juices flowing. |
Absolute racist nonsense! George Floyd was murdered by a police officer. The police in America and, to a lesser extent, England, have a long history of institutional racism. Where is the comparison to the random attack and murder of this girl? |  |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 13:44 - Sep 12 with 326 views | DJR |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:32 - Sep 12 by DJR |
The alarming thing with this case is that we don't know the motive for the murder, and yet Trump and others on the right are seeking to make political capital and stir things up.
Surely a responsible President should be seeking to calm things at a time like this, even if the motive does turn out to be political? [Post edited 12 Sep 11:50]
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This just sums up the point I was making.
The president, when asked about how we “fix the country” or “come back together” after Kirk’s shooting, says that he “couldn’t care less”.
“The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime, worried about the border,” Trump says. “The radicals on the left are the problem, and they’re vicious and they’re horrible and they’re politically savvy”. | | | |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 13:54 - Sep 12 with 280 views | lowhouseblue |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:12 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
For some reason you've decided to make an inference, that most murders of Black people are committed by white people, to argue against when nowhere in my post have I suggested that, simply that murder rates amongst Black people are higher. You've also made that inference and argued against it using UK data when my reference to murders in Britain is an aside of a few words in brackets among a much longer post discussing specific murders and the response to them in the US.
There is no debating with you because you never engage with the substantive points that people make, just as you're doing here. Instead you create straw men or narrowly focus on and twist minor points to suit your agenda. I'd encourage you to ask yourself why you do that because the topics you choose to do it on and the way you choose to do it don't put you in a good light, as numerous posters now feel the need to highlight to you. |
the excuses you invent to avoid ever engaging in debate are pathetic. you want to state your views and for them to be received with either acclaim or silence. when you're challenged there's always something wrong with the way you've been challenged. always. if you ever replied with a substantive point, rather than complaining that the challenge to you is unfair, i would engage with it. really stop blubbing all the time and actually discuss stuff. it seems that the strength of your views is never matched by your ability to defend them.
whether it was an aside or not you made a point about the uk. i am allowed to challenge that point. your post to which i replied was a response to a post about george floyd and the first line of your post was calling the other poster racist. it was not unreasonable for me to assume that your next line was then linking the higher murder rate for black brits to racism. if my assumption was wrong, and you don't think the higher uk murder rate is linked to racism, just say so. it's not difficult. as it is i responded showing why the higher murder rate for black brits is not because of racism since a disproportionate number of those murders are committed by black brits themselves. it's a legitimate point backed up by home office data. if you didn't want to discuss the situation in the uk then why raise it.
for pity's sake you're supposed to be an adult - stop behaving like a whinging child. the impression i have is when you can't respond to challenges and you're intimidated when someone counters what you say all you have is an endless stream of nonsense about why someone isn't arguing fairly. i'd encourage you to consider why you can't engage in debate like a grown up. and in terms of your 'numerous posters' i know full well that i am in a tiny minority as a centrist who is prepared to waste time debating with the shouty majority on here - but i still expect them to discuss stuff rather than post insults and throw a smoke screen of infantile excuses. | |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:20 - Sep 12 with 227 views | blueasfook |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 11:35 - Sep 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are you saying there is no church? |
No I am more laughing at the the irony of you putting up stuff from Qatari state media - Remember Qatar who hosted the world cup that you no doubt promised to boycott because of homophobia and human rights abuses. . |  |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:27 - Sep 12 with 199 views | Clapham_Junction |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 13:54 - Sep 12 by lowhouseblue |
the excuses you invent to avoid ever engaging in debate are pathetic. you want to state your views and for them to be received with either acclaim or silence. when you're challenged there's always something wrong with the way you've been challenged. always. if you ever replied with a substantive point, rather than complaining that the challenge to you is unfair, i would engage with it. really stop blubbing all the time and actually discuss stuff. it seems that the strength of your views is never matched by your ability to defend them.
whether it was an aside or not you made a point about the uk. i am allowed to challenge that point. your post to which i replied was a response to a post about george floyd and the first line of your post was calling the other poster racist. it was not unreasonable for me to assume that your next line was then linking the higher murder rate for black brits to racism. if my assumption was wrong, and you don't think the higher uk murder rate is linked to racism, just say so. it's not difficult. as it is i responded showing why the higher murder rate for black brits is not because of racism since a disproportionate number of those murders are committed by black brits themselves. it's a legitimate point backed up by home office data. if you didn't want to discuss the situation in the uk then why raise it.
for pity's sake you're supposed to be an adult - stop behaving like a whinging child. the impression i have is when you can't respond to challenges and you're intimidated when someone counters what you say all you have is an endless stream of nonsense about why someone isn't arguing fairly. i'd encourage you to consider why you can't engage in debate like a grown up. and in terms of your 'numerous posters' i know full well that i am in a tiny minority as a centrist who is prepared to waste time debating with the shouty majority on here - but i still expect them to discuss stuff rather than post insults and throw a smoke screen of infantile excuses. |
Do you not have any sense of self-awareness? You regularly insult or demean other posters or a wider group of people with views who you disagree with, even in this post itself ('shouty majority'). |  | | |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:29 - Sep 12 with 187 views | Clapham_Junction |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 07:07 - Sep 12 by textbackup |
Same for Iryna Zarutska - the silence is absolutely deafening.
Can you just imagine that was the other way round, the US/Europe would be seeing looting, riots, protests.
Incredible how things play out/differ |
The silence of several stories on the BBC News site (and at least one thread on here)? | | | |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:34 - Sep 12 with 177 views | lowhouseblue |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:27 - Sep 12 by Clapham_Junction |
Do you not have any sense of self-awareness? You regularly insult or demean other posters or a wider group of people with views who you disagree with, even in this post itself ('shouty majority'). |
yes lots - but i discuss things much more nicely when i don't get called a "disingenuous bell piece" in the first line of an exchange with someone. in terms of shouty majority i'm afraid that's honestly how a dominant group of posters on here comes across. but, if people interact decently then i generally try to do the same. as i say, i'm in a tiny minority on here in bothering to express centrist views on politics and i get my fair share of abuse as a result. if you want to sign up to a being decent pact i'll happily reciprocate. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:55 - Sep 12 with 111 views | Blueschev |
| 10+ pages for a neo-facist but can’t find a mention for Melissa Hortman. on 14:34 - Sep 12 by lowhouseblue |
yes lots - but i discuss things much more nicely when i don't get called a "disingenuous bell piece" in the first line of an exchange with someone. in terms of shouty majority i'm afraid that's honestly how a dominant group of posters on here comes across. but, if people interact decently then i generally try to do the same. as i say, i'm in a tiny minority on here in bothering to express centrist views on politics and i get my fair share of abuse as a result. if you want to sign up to a being decent pact i'll happily reciprocate. |
I must admit I'd never heard the term bell piece before. Doesn't even sound like an insult really, though I'm sure it was meant as one. |  | | |
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