| Frimmers FT thoughts. 21:13 - Sep 20 with 2396 views | FrimleyBlue |
Exciting final 10 minutes.
Anyways. Onto the real stuff.
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Why the greaves hate tonight. Seeing some posts saying he cost us another goal..
Now. I was one who said he was involved in the first 3 goals conceded of the season.
Today he got sent off. When you look at it again it's actually unfortunate. Without the slip he's got a chance of winning the battle. A red of course that's the rules. But after the red it was 0-0
Furlong the hero of the last game was the one who conceded the penalty so i don't see how that's on greaves when he wasn't even on the pitch.
Also the performance upto that red card and even after tbh it was a tough battle but one I still felt we were going to win. After their goal we were down their throats and ghen the game stopped
Prior to the red. It was an equal game however we had chances as did blackburn.
Think it would do many people well to remember how many goals we scored later on in games but also how many games we actually conceded first in when we won promotion. Apart from 2 games imo we didn't outplay anyone when we got promoted but we managed to get wins. A big part of this was our finishes and we started to see their effects when they came on today and I have no doubt we would have scored and maybe even gone onto win today.
I still stand my mcateer that I dont quite know how he's seen as an improvement on ogbene. But it's still early so will continue to wait to see how he progresses.
Anyways.
Horrid conditions. Not ones that suit our style. But all in all we were fine imo.
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:15 - Sep 20 with 2342 views | blueasfook |
What happened to you Frimmers? I preferred the old one. This new positive one is bloody boring. |  |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:37 - Sep 20 with 2155 views | Smoresy |
I don't recall how he arrived at his compromised position but Greaves wasn't unfortunate to be sent off. He made the poor choice to foul the striker near the halfway line, when conditions would have made scoring from there a difficult task. He's had a real rick in him most games sadly, while also doing plenty of good stuff. Someone likened his performances to Muric's and that feels fair. I didn't hate Muric mind and I hope Greaves may recover without hostility in the stands, which would be tragic.
Obvs a red isn't a goal, so difficult to explain how that confusion's arisen if it has. |  | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:43 - Sep 20 with 2116 views | _clive_baker_ |
Apart from 2 games imo we didn't outplay anyone when we got promoted but we managed to get wins.
Sorry what? |  | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:44 - Sep 20 with 2114 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:37 - Sep 20 by Smoresy |
I don't recall how he arrived at his compromised position but Greaves wasn't unfortunate to be sent off. He made the poor choice to foul the striker near the halfway line, when conditions would have made scoring from there a difficult task. He's had a real rick in him most games sadly, while also doing plenty of good stuff. Someone likened his performances to Muric's and that feels fair. I didn't hate Muric mind and I hope Greaves may recover without hostility in the stands, which would be tragic.
Obvs a red isn't a goal, so difficult to explain how that confusion's arisen if it has. |
You've described his sending off completely wrong, have you not seen it?
He's turned as has the striker, he's then slipped and as he was falling grabbed the player, sending off absolutely, but he stopped a most likely goal as he was falling to the ground, and the blackburn player then had a free run on goal, not sure why you feel scoring from there a difficult task. | |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:53 - Sep 20 with 2047 views | Smoresy |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:44 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
You've described his sending off completely wrong, have you not seen it?
He's turned as has the striker, he's then slipped and as he was falling grabbed the player, sending off absolutely, but he stopped a most likely goal as he was falling to the ground, and the blackburn player then had a free run on goal, not sure why you feel scoring from there a difficult task. |
I watched it live and didn't see him slip into the player. I saw him realise he's the wrong side, put his arms over the fella and make an obvious foul, bringing himself and the striker down. It was a bouncing ball on a difficult pitch, a long way from goal, a defender breathing down the striker's neck - those are often not scored at this level. I would have much preferred he try to recover his position and if not apply lawful pressure on the striker. | | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:55 - Sep 20 with 2018 views | Chris_ITFC |
Out of curiosity, which were the (only) 2 games where we outplayed the opposition when we got promoted?
Before you answer, just a reminder we won 28 games. |  |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 22:01 - Sep 20 with 1985 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Sorry but you’re trying too hard to excuse Greaves. |  | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 22:44 - Sep 20 with 1833 views | Smoresy |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:55 - Sep 20 by Chris_ITFC |
Out of curiosity, which were the (only) 2 games where we outplayed the opposition when we got promoted?
Before you answer, just a reminder we won 28 games. |
And we created a lot more chances than we gave up over the course of the season, hence a GD of +35 and xGD of +27. [Post edited 20 Sep 22:44]
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 22:58 - Sep 20 with 1780 views | PioneerBlue |
Perfectly acceptable not to share any FT thoughts out loud. | |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 23:13 - Sep 20 with 1721 views | chantryblueboy |
Outplayed the opposition in 2 games out of 46 but went up in the top 2. Do you watch games with your eyes shut? | | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 23:56 - Sep 20 with 1608 views | billlm |
Disagree brain dead footballer,
Don't touch him as last man or the inevitable happens and did,
Leave him and palmer saves he scores he misses,
We'd have more of a chance of a result with 11 on the pitch than 10,
You just can't defend his thought process or lack of, |  | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 01:14 - Sep 21 with 1427 views | BlueBadger |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:15 - Sep 20 by blueasfook |
What happened to you Frimmers? I preferred the old one. This new positive one is bloody boring. |
THere's this gem near the end, which is Peak Frimmers:
'Apart from 2 games imo we didn't outplay anyone when we got promoted but we managed to get wins.' |  |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:22 - Sep 21 with 735 views | bsw72 |
Greaves is the current scapegoat, having moved Muric on. I note some people are now also questioning Cajuste.
I actually despair with some of our fans, who seem to almost take delight in watching some of our players making errors.
Very tiresome. |  | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:31 - Sep 21 with 684 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:55 - Sep 20 by Chris_ITFC |
Out of curiosity, which were the (only) 2 games where we outplayed the opposition when we got promoted?
Before you answer, just a reminder we won 28 games. |
before i answer chris how about a response from my question to you the other day | |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:36 - Sep 21 with 652 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 01:14 - Sep 21 by BlueBadger |
THere's this gem near the end, which is Peak Frimmers:
'Apart from 2 games imo we didn't outplay anyone when we got promoted but we managed to get wins.' |
Think people taking it the wrong way Badger
What i meant was a few seem to expecting us to steam roll sides this season, kinda forgetting how competitive and ugly a lot of champ games are. For the money spent I still expect top two, but that doesnt mean i believe we'll control every game and out play everyone every week.
What I meant by not outplaying, is basically controlling the action for the majority of games, under no pressure, wins were a given etc etc I dont think personally it's wrong to say that most games were competitive, many ugly games too but we managed to be on the right side of the results and a large part of that was our excellent 75+ minute goal return.
That doesn't take anything away from the results or anything, just more about how games like yesturdays for example was simply a competitive fixture and wasn't about us not actually playing that badly.
We scored the most goals after 75 minutes in the league with 26
23 of our goals came from subs 31 goal contributions in total
Only rotherham were the only club to have condeded more in the opening 15 minutes of games than town
So as I say, most of the games in our promotion season were battles, as they will be this season, the occasional like sheff utd happens, as it did when we played (was it sheff wed 6-0? can't quite remember) but the majority are tough fixtures but we always found ways of winning them, and I expect this season will be similar
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:39 - Sep 21 with 639 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:53 - Sep 20 by Smoresy |
I watched it live and didn't see him slip into the player. I saw him realise he's the wrong side, put his arms over the fella and make an obvious foul, bringing himself and the striker down. It was a bouncing ball on a difficult pitch, a long way from goal, a defender breathing down the striker's neck - those are often not scored at this level. I would have much preferred he try to recover his position and if not apply lawful pressure on the striker. |
Personally I agree with Phils thoughts when looking back at the event and I see a player who slipped.
knowing the striker was through he had no choice but to grapple him to stop a most likely goal.
I'm sure he would have preferred to have recovered his position and been able to battle with the striker rather than falling over [Post edited 21 Sep 8:40]
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:41 - Sep 21 with 613 views | Churchman |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 21:15 - Sep 20 by blueasfook |
What happened to you Frimmers? I preferred the old one. This new positive one is bloody boring. |
I like this version of FB. Far more interesting, balanced and informative in my view - not watched the game back yet. |  | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:44 - Sep 21 with 602 views | DanTheMan |
I think other than the penalty, Blackburn didn't really do anything that I can remember. There was the weird throw in that nearly bounced it's way in but other than that it was all our chances.
Arguably Philogene should have scored early on, Hirst was only denied by a great save having done everything right, Davis had a decent effort saved, that was all in the first half.
Going against the grain here but I like Greaves. That said, he was properly caught out today and made a silly mistake that changed the game. You are right though that there's been almost nothing said about Furlong making a bananas challenge for the penalty. I dunno if it was because it was so wet but he was never going to win that challenge.
Overall I wasn't too disappointed with the performance, I thought we were still the more likely to score even with 10 men.
If I was to restart that game though, I think I'd start Nunez instead of Cajuste. But of a cliche but he's the key to unlocking these more stubborn defences.
I'd also like to see Azon get a full run out, although Hirst did little wrong. |  |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 09:42 - Sep 21 with 388 views | Smoresy |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:39 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally I agree with Phils thoughts when looking back at the event and I see a player who slipped.
knowing the striker was through he had no choice but to grapple him to stop a most likely goal.
I'm sure he would have preferred to have recovered his position and been able to battle with the striker rather than falling over [Post edited 21 Sep 8:40]
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Re your third paragraph, it isn't uncommon for defenders to go for the rash intervention and knock both over, trust on lady luck or see a ball that wasn't there to win. If he slipped into the foul in poor conditions though then that changes the complexion for the better. I don't plan to rewatch the highlights to see if he rather made an active choice to foul and hope for a kind ref interpretation, which was my initial take. It's preferable for your eyes to be right.
Re "most likely goal" though, I'm confident it would be comfortably below 50% at this level & on that pitch, with that ball to control and sprint with, even if the only threat was a CB charging from a few yards behind the striker. I think fans mostly overestimate how often a specific opportunity results in a goal by a large margin, much as that was of course a "clear goal-scoring opportunity". | | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 09:53 - Sep 21 with 335 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 09:42 - Sep 21 by Smoresy |
Re your third paragraph, it isn't uncommon for defenders to go for the rash intervention and knock both over, trust on lady luck or see a ball that wasn't there to win. If he slipped into the foul in poor conditions though then that changes the complexion for the better. I don't plan to rewatch the highlights to see if he rather made an active choice to foul and hope for a kind ref interpretation, which was my initial take. It's preferable for your eyes to be right.
Re "most likely goal" though, I'm confident it would be comfortably below 50% at this level & on that pitch, with that ball to control and sprint with, even if the only threat was a CB charging from a few yards behind the striker. I think fans mostly overestimate how often a specific opportunity results in a goal by a large margin, much as that was of course a "clear goal-scoring opportunity". |
I think it's the blackburn players trailing leg that greaves trips on rather than rain effecting the sitation, so an accidental coming together initially, but hes then got no choice but to grab him really
Questions on being away from home with such a high line perhaps though? | |
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| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 10:12 - Sep 21 with 282 views | Smoresy |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 09:53 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
I think it's the blackburn players trailing leg that greaves trips on rather than rain effecting the sitation, so an accidental coming together initially, but hes then got no choice but to grab him really
Questions on being away from home with such a high line perhaps though? |
Yeah looks equal chance clumsy or deliberate to my eyes on rewatch, hard to know how aware Greaves is of the striker's legs in front of him. They're closer to goal than I remember and the ball's even harder to control than I remember for the striker, would have needed a great touch to avoid bringing defenders back into play. All's well that ends well aha (providing EFL board doesn't go rogue). | | | |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 12:05 - Sep 21 with 78 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Frimmers FT thoughts. on 08:36 - Sep 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Think people taking it the wrong way Badger
What i meant was a few seem to expecting us to steam roll sides this season, kinda forgetting how competitive and ugly a lot of champ games are. For the money spent I still expect top two, but that doesnt mean i believe we'll control every game and out play everyone every week.
What I meant by not outplaying, is basically controlling the action for the majority of games, under no pressure, wins were a given etc etc I dont think personally it's wrong to say that most games were competitive, many ugly games too but we managed to be on the right side of the results and a large part of that was our excellent 75+ minute goal return.
That doesn't take anything away from the results or anything, just more about how games like yesturdays for example was simply a competitive fixture and wasn't about us not actually playing that badly.
We scored the most goals after 75 minutes in the league with 26
23 of our goals came from subs 31 goal contributions in total
Only rotherham were the only club to have condeded more in the opening 15 minutes of games than town
So as I say, most of the games in our promotion season were battles, as they will be this season, the occasional like sheff utd happens, as it did when we played (was it sheff wed 6-0? can't quite remember) but the majority are tough fixtures but we always found ways of winning them, and I expect this season will be similar
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Only you would post ‘Apart from 2 games imo we didn't outplay anyone when we got promoted but we managed to get wins’ and then claim people are interpreting it wrong when challenged.
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