| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup 23:16 - Sep 27 with 4706 views | Illinoisblue |
Seems about par for 2025 |  |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:12 - Sep 28 with 936 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:11 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
You've written 6 paragraphs about something I didn't say.
That's impressive and worrying.
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I’m just glad you’re back, must have got overexcited. |  |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:24 - Sep 28 with 869 views | Radlett_blue |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 13:21 - Sep 28 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not as naive as thinking that everyone in attendance must have voted Trump.
Have you really never heard of New Yorkers being rude and obnoxious?! A lot of the tickets would have been purchased locally given the large local metro population.
I was the only European in my group of friends on Friday and just one out of the other 6 in my group voted red. Some democrats have money and like golf as well! Americans are just more like that in general when it comes to loud mouth patriotism. That’s probably why everyone hates them so much.
To suggest that it’s all down to who is in the White House is pretty crazy to me, if you know anything about Sports fans in the North East and combine it with this event. It’s always been raucous and it adds to it and makes it even more sweet to beat them.
Let’s remember there aren’t many true global events that Americans get to get all dressed up for and go to war against the other side! You can only be world champions in stuff you compete at club level against yourselves so many times lol.
Go to an Islanders playoff game and see how friendly it is! Was always going to be the way for this one and the Ryder cup. |
Yes, a friend of mine, who is no shrinking violet, was in NYC many years ago & as a big American Football fan, managed to get to see the NY Giants play on a Monday night. He was surprised how boisterous the crowd was, most of them had been drinking beer & he said a couple of pretty serious fights broke out between spectators, who were very promptly ejected by security guards. |  |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:28 - Sep 28 with 855 views | Radlett_blue |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:12 - Sep 28 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The clientele for this event and the environment for the European players would have been exactly the same whoever won last November. A Nassau county Ryder Cup crowd is not some major deep dive into contemporary American Culture (In my opinion at least). [Post edited 28 Sep 15:13]
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Wouldn't one have expected fans paying $750 a head for a ticket to represent a certain cross section of American society? | |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:34 - Sep 28 with 830 views | DJR |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 14:36 - Sep 28 by _clive_baker_ |
Yanks lacking any sort of class or decorum isn’t surprising. A country that significantly over indexes in its share of monumental bell ends, not least their leader. |
Personally, I'm not sure I've ever come across an American who I would describe as a bellend.
My experience includes spending 11 weeks there, and travelling fairly widely, when I was much younger. |  | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:38 - Sep 28 with 826 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:28 - Sep 28 by Radlett_blue |
Wouldn't one have expected fans paying $750 a head for a ticket to represent a certain cross section of American society? |
Yeah, so the environment would have been the same. | |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:56 - Sep 28 with 780 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:34 - Sep 28 by DJR |
Personally, I'm not sure I've ever come across an American who I would describe as a bellend.
My experience includes spending 11 weeks there, and travelling fairly widely, when I was much younger. |
From my experience there are plenty, and I used to live there and still travel there regularly with work. Worth noting there are many of decent folk too, which is much like this or any country. Look at the behaviour of some of the bell ends who go to football in the UK.
But crass nobbish behaviour from some (not all) of their supporters at the golf comes as no surprise whatsoever to me. |  | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 16:13 - Sep 28 with 745 views | Radlett_blue |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:56 - Sep 28 by _clive_baker_ |
From my experience there are plenty, and I used to live there and still travel there regularly with work. Worth noting there are many of decent folk too, which is much like this or any country. Look at the behaviour of some of the bell ends who go to football in the UK.
But crass nobbish behaviour from some (not all) of their supporters at the golf comes as no surprise whatsoever to me. |
Most Americans are very patriotic & nationalistic & international sport seems to bring out the worst in them. They don't play other countries at American Football, baseball or basketball so they seem to put all their energy into something like the Ryder Cup. | |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 16:23 - Sep 28 with 720 views | DJR |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 15:56 - Sep 28 by _clive_baker_ |
From my experience there are plenty, and I used to live there and still travel there regularly with work. Worth noting there are many of decent folk too, which is much like this or any country. Look at the behaviour of some of the bell ends who go to football in the UK.
But crass nobbish behaviour from some (not all) of their supporters at the golf comes as no surprise whatsoever to me. |
I suppose, in a rather roundabout way, I was really challenging your assertion that the US is "a country that significantly over indexes in its share of monumental bell ends" because I don't really like sweeping generalisations about countries or their people. | | | |
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 16:43 - Sep 28 with 677 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 16:23 - Sep 28 by DJR |
I suppose, in a rather roundabout way, I was really challenging your assertion that the US is "a country that significantly over indexes in its share of monumental bell ends" because I don't really like sweeping generalisations about countries or their people. |
Probably highly subjective and not something that could be supported by stats. I stand by it though, from my experiences of places I’ve lived and travelled within. | | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 17:56 - Sep 28 with 565 views | Ryorry |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 16:23 - Sep 28 by DJR |
I suppose, in a rather roundabout way, I was really challenging your assertion that the US is "a country that significantly over indexes in its share of monumental bell ends" because I don't really like sweeping generalisations about countries or their people. |
Agree with you - was in the SW for 3 weeks in late 80s - New Mexico, Arizona, tiny bit of Texas, for a friend's wedding.
Of course people were friendly & hospitable as we were obviously English, and it has a reputation for being one of the friendliest regions anyway, but even Americans themselves said that the USA is a continent of very different countries & different people with different mindsets.
Husband went back to New Orleans & New York a couple of years later & endorsed that. Young American lass who's lived here for past 2 years has family in NE & Texas, and says same. Can't generalise. And there are (probably, as we're not generalising!) always gonna be some a*holes & some lovely people wherever you go. [Post edited 28 Sep 18:09]
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| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 18:17 - Sep 28 with 522 views | BlueForYou |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 10:32 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
It's never been this bad and to totally dismiss the effect that Trump's narrative around nationalism has had would be naïve in my view.
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Do you not recall Kiawah Island in 1991? Brookline in 1999, Hazeltine in 2016? Trump was very well behaved, he is a Golfer, & met, talked, shook hands, with players & officials from sides. |  | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 18:26 - Sep 28 with 499 views | BlueForYou |
I lived in the US for two years, a few years ago now. I really enjoyed the place & met some genuinely lovely folk. Been to many states. As nice a folk as you'll meet anywhere. All countries have their undesirables. | | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 19:42 - Sep 28 with 429 views | DJR |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 18:26 - Sep 28 by BlueForYou |
I lived in the US for two years, a few years ago now. I really enjoyed the place & met some genuinely lovely folk. Been to many states. As nice a folk as you'll meet anywhere. All countries have their undesirables. |
That's my view too.
And to take an extreme example, four of us were travelling through the Appalachians during an intense storm at night which caused our car (which we had bought for $400) to pack up.
Not relishing staying the night in the car, we knocked on the door of a nearby house, and they were kind enough to put us up for the night which was amazingly friendly and trusting given we we four adult males. | | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 16:29 - Sep 30 with 115 views | Churchman |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 18:26 - Sep 28 by BlueForYou |
I lived in the US for two years, a few years ago now. I really enjoyed the place & met some genuinely lovely folk. Been to many states. As nice a folk as you'll meet anywhere. All countries have their undesirables. |
I’ve much less experience of the country than most of you, but I guess I’ve visited over 20 times, mainly for the mountains but also the odd fly drive and I liked most of the people I met and always had a good time there. The trick, as with any country, is to try and understand their way of doing things a little bit. In America and Canada’s cases, remember that despite the common language they are foreign countries.
I’ve related this before but it is worth a repeat: my mother died while I was in America. I decided I needed some time on my own and finished in a bar we’d often frequented for the previous week. I sat on my own watching the sport at the bar (best place) and keeping myself to myself. The barman eventually asked if I was ok. I replied I was fine, which I was, and explained why I was not particularly talkative.
He kept the drinks coming and we had a chat about this and that. It got the end of the afternoon and settle up time and he just put his hand up and said ‘not and shook my hand. He didn’t have to do that. It was pure kindness of a stranger.
Of course I saw him right over the next few days with generous tips but when alls said and done, In this world there are simply good people and bad. Gender, age, nationality or anything else you can think of don’t come into it.
You are right. All countries have their undesirables and Class A idiots. |  | | |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 19:44 - Sep 30 with 48 views | TractorWood |
| Golf hooligans at the Ryder cup on 14:35 - Sep 28 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I’m not defending the personal abuse just before shots, stop making stuff up. I just wish everyone would stop blithering on about heckling at a New York Ryder cup being a direct correlation to the president. It’s quite clearly not, as I’ve outlined plenty, you guys are obsessed with a narrative.
You certainly don’t want a Wimbledon final type atmosphere at the Ryder Cup either but yesterday went too far (not for the first time at this event). See Rory in September 2016 etc etc. [Post edited 28 Sep 14:36]
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I agree. I've played a lot of golf, at a decent regional level and have been watching the Ryder cup since the mid-90s.
It's not my favourite event in golf as it tends to bring out the worst in people and attract people to golf who have no interest in the sport, just like vitriol. Like at the moment.
US ryder cups have always been hostile. Look at Brookline in 99 which was very badly tempered:
The behavior of both U.S. spectators and the U.S. team was criticized by both American and European media. U.S. spectators raucously heckled and abused European players. Allegations were also made regarding cheating on the part of course marshals.
Notoriously, the U.S. team raucously invaded the 17th green after Leonard had holed his long putt but before Olazábal had attempted his shorter putt. The incident was viewed by many in both the US and Europe as appalling sportsmanship and gamesmanship. Veteran broadcaster Alistair Cooke described the last day of the tournament as "a date that will live in infamy" in a Letter from America entitled "The arrival of the golf hooligan".
An east coast Ryder cup will always have this potential. One played in close proximity to NYC or Boston even more so. Does Trump have some general context involvement, maybe but I'm not sure it's worth dwelling on as he was voted for by the electorate. So it stands to reason that they'd be like it anyway. |  |
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