| Jaden’s role 13:46 - Sep 29 with 2026 views | Horsham |
It’s been really good to see him show his class in the last 2 games.
And maybe it’s somewhat crazy to think but I do wonder if we tweaked his role to play the right 10 a la Omari/Chappers we might be able to get him to another level and possibly be able to utilise Clarke from the start too or Szmodics in the left 10 where perhaps he looks more comfortable.
Doubt it’s for right now as the Leif/Jaden combination looks so effective,but I quite like the idea. |  | | |  |
| Jaden’s role on 13:53 - Sep 29 with 1952 views | JakeITFC |
I think he's so happy cutting in on the left there that you've got to just leave him to it now and have Clarke as a like for like for midweek/subs. It's a ridiculously strong couple of players to have for that role but it is having that depth over the years that has been our strong suit.
Hirst/Azon
Philogene/Clarke Szmodics/Akpom Walle Egeli/McAteer
Is bordering on two front fours that probably walk into most of the rest of the division's first XI. |  | | |
| Jaden’s role on 13:59 - Sep 29 with 1890 views | Devereuxxx |
I'd leave him where he is at the moment, those combinations with Leif are getting really effective. It's the one area of the team, possibly alongside the CMs, we're seeing proper partnerships emerge.
I'd actually quite like to see Clarke start on the right, as it does feel like we've lost a bit of production there, Mcateer and Egali aren't the same sort of direct runners we're used to playing there, and it feels like we're still working out what we want to do with our right side while attacking. Egali wants to cut inside, but Furlong isn't a 'bust a gut for the overlap' type and Mcateer wants to operate in space. Clarke's ability to beat a man on the outside would be a great option there, if not a position he's entirely experienced in playing. |  | | |
| Jaden’s role on 14:10 - Sep 29 with 1828 views | Herbivore |
I think playing from the left is where he's at his best so I wouldn't change it. Four goals already playing from that position, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. Appreciate what you're saying about getting Clarke into the side but I think we just have to live with Clarke and Philogene sharing the role where they both feel most comfortable rather than shifting one of them to a position they aren't as effective in to try and accommodate them both. |  |
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| Jaden’s role on 14:15 - Sep 29 with 1804 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
Jaden has been at the club a little over 9 months, it goes to show what KM can do with a talent over a sustained period of time with I would assume a huge amount of effort and detail into his progression.
Great coach, never in doubt.
And as he said it takes time to develop players which we never had in the PL, one minute we were trying to get the ground up to standard / do the basics and the rest we know about. |  | | |
| Jaden’s role on 14:58 - Sep 29 with 1688 views | EuanTown |
Clarke and Leif does not work in the left. Jaden and Leif does. That's why Clarke is the sub, he has to do a lot more to oust Jaden at the moment. |  | | |
| Jaden’s role on 15:04 - Sep 29 with 1658 views | Guthrum |
The system is working well at the moment. Why tamper with it?
Would only inhibit Walle Egeli and McAteer's development (not to mention that's where Burns plays when fit), while leaving us with less cover on the left or in the centre.
I'm not sure Szmodics is more comfortable on the left, anyway. He played centrally behind the striker for Blackburn and got all those goals. With us he seems to like drifting over to the right as much as the left. The Chaplin-style roving role is better than being stuck out wide. |  |
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| Jaden’s role on 15:05 - Sep 29 with 1651 views | homer_123 |
We're getting a tune from him and you want to now change the notes already? |  |
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| Jaden’s role on 15:10 - Sep 29 with 1631 views | DanTheMan |
It's an OK idea, but every time he's played on the right, he's looked significantly worse. That's not even just here either; his form massively dropped off for Hull when they signed Fabio Carvalho and shifted Philogene out to the right.
He can play there in a pinch, but he's just nowhere near as good on the right. |  |
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| Jaden’s role on 16:16 - Sep 29 with 1422 views | Horsham |
| Jaden’s role on 15:05 - Sep 29 by homer_123 |
We're getting a tune from him and you want to now change the notes already? |
I’m very happy with the notes Jaden is hitting right now. It was more of a development suggestion for the future. | | | |
| Jaden’s role on 17:46 - Sep 29 with 1215 views | FlittonBlue |
Oppositions will soon start to overload to our left side which will open up holes for the right sided attackers to exploit - well that should be the plan | | | |
| Jaden’s role on 19:38 - Sep 29 with 1026 views | JackNorthStand |
His starting position is now a lot narrower than it was the first few games of the season.
Whether that is intentional by him, tactical tweak or just how the play has developed either way he’s looked better ever since. | | | |
| Jaden’s role on 04:15 - Sep 30 with 753 views | Illinoisblue |
Did you read McKenna’s quotes the other day, basically apologizing for having to play Jaden on the right last season (because of injuries)? He’s in the form of his short Ipswich life. Makes no sense to move him. |  |
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| Jaden’s role on 06:30 - Sep 30 with 666 views | Horsham |
| Jaden’s role on 04:15 - Sep 30 by Illinoisblue |
Did you read McKenna’s quotes the other day, basically apologizing for having to play Jaden on the right last season (because of injuries)? He’s in the form of his short Ipswich life. Makes no sense to move him. |
I wasn’t suggesting he play on the right wing.
I was suggesting his development might be to play the right 10 role which is the one Szmodics played ion Saturday., which the way we have played almost exclusively for 3 years is the more central role of the 3 behind the striker and is often the role given to the best attacker in the team.
Maybe this wasn’t clear from the right 10 description and maybe not clear from me not describing it as the right wing role/
Also I wasn’t saying do it now either and also acknowledged what is happening now works. Maybe this wasn’t clear from saying not right now.
I aaw Jaden on the right wing. I did read MCKenna’s comments - I also didn’t suggest he might play on the right wing and I also didn’t say to move him now.
Edit - unnecessary snark from me. You raise good points but not necessarily ones that relate to my suggestion [Post edited 30 Sep 6:47]
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| Jaden’s role on 07:52 - Sep 30 with 506 views | Herbivore |
| Jaden’s role on 06:30 - Sep 30 by Horsham |
I wasn’t suggesting he play on the right wing.
I was suggesting his development might be to play the right 10 role which is the one Szmodics played ion Saturday., which the way we have played almost exclusively for 3 years is the more central role of the 3 behind the striker and is often the role given to the best attacker in the team.
Maybe this wasn’t clear from the right 10 description and maybe not clear from me not describing it as the right wing role/
Also I wasn’t saying do it now either and also acknowledged what is happening now works. Maybe this wasn’t clear from saying not right now.
I aaw Jaden on the right wing. I did read MCKenna’s comments - I also didn’t suggest he might play on the right wing and I also didn’t say to move him now.
Edit - unnecessary snark from me. You raise good points but not necessarily ones that relate to my suggestion [Post edited 30 Sep 6:47]
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He's so good at getting the ball in space and standing his man up one v one then either playing Leif in, going outside and crossing, or cutting inside and shooting. He wouldn't be able to do those things centrally, it's too congested in there and you need someone who either gets on the half turn quickly and drives forward or who finds a pocket of space and moves the ball on first time. Hutch and Enciso, and to some extent Szmodics, do the first bit well, Chappers was an expert at the latter. I'm not sure it suits Jaden's skillset to play in those spaces. Maybe as he develops he might have the game to play as more of a 10 but for now he's exactly where he needs to be. | |
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| Jaden’s role on 07:56 - Sep 30 with 493 views | BlueOura |
| Jaden’s role on 14:15 - Sep 29 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Jaden has been at the club a little over 9 months, it goes to show what KM can do with a talent over a sustained period of time with I would assume a huge amount of effort and detail into his progression.
Great coach, never in doubt.
And as he said it takes time to develop players which we never had in the PL, one minute we were trying to get the ground up to standard / do the basics and the rest we know about. |
Not saying KM is'nt a good coach ( he obviously is ), but i'm not sure how much of it is really down to that. Don't forget we have dropped down a level and he is up against worse defenders and also playing in his best position.
People expecting big things from him playing on the right in the prem were being wholly unrealistic. [Post edited 30 Sep 8:03]
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| Jaden’s role on 08:00 - Sep 30 with 481 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Jaden’s role on 07:52 - Sep 30 by Herbivore |
He's so good at getting the ball in space and standing his man up one v one then either playing Leif in, going outside and crossing, or cutting inside and shooting. He wouldn't be able to do those things centrally, it's too congested in there and you need someone who either gets on the half turn quickly and drives forward or who finds a pocket of space and moves the ball on first time. Hutch and Enciso, and to some extent Szmodics, do the first bit well, Chappers was an expert at the latter. I'm not sure it suits Jaden's skillset to play in those spaces. Maybe as he develops he might have the game to play as more of a 10 but for now he's exactly where he needs to be. |
Some people always seem to want that little bit more
It was only a month or 2 back that his transfer was being ridiculed, now he’s found some form playing his best position, and the OP is suggesting he tries out a different position
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| Jaden’s role on 10:28 - Sep 30 with 362 views | Horsham |
| Jaden’s role on 08:00 - Sep 30 by ShortyBlue92 |
Some people always seem to want that little bit more
It was only a month or 2 back that his transfer was being ridiculed, now he’s found some form playing his best position, and the OP is suggesting he tries out a different position
We have some very unique supporters |
What’s unique about thinking that a point in the future he might be able to make more of a contribution in a slightly different role?
I mean it’s only an idea and there’s arguments for and against but it’s not like it’s never happened before. | | | |
| Jaden’s role on 10:51 - Sep 30 with 333 views | Horsham |
| Jaden’s role on 07:52 - Sep 30 by Herbivore |
He's so good at getting the ball in space and standing his man up one v one then either playing Leif in, going outside and crossing, or cutting inside and shooting. He wouldn't be able to do those things centrally, it's too congested in there and you need someone who either gets on the half turn quickly and drives forward or who finds a pocket of space and moves the ball on first time. Hutch and Enciso, and to some extent Szmodics, do the first bit well, Chappers was an expert at the latter. I'm not sure it suits Jaden's skillset to play in those spaces. Maybe as he develops he might have the game to play as more of a 10 but for now he's exactly where he needs to be. |
Good points - and I agree with them. He also needs to increase the body of work in his current role but the signs are that he will: | | | |
| Jaden’s role on 11:01 - Sep 30 with 313 views | Churchman |
| Jaden’s role on 14:10 - Sep 29 by Herbivore |
I think playing from the left is where he's at his best so I wouldn't change it. Four goals already playing from that position, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. Appreciate what you're saying about getting Clarke into the side but I think we just have to live with Clarke and Philogene sharing the role where they both feel most comfortable rather than shifting one of them to a position they aren't as effective in to try and accommodate them both. |
Absolutely this post. Yes, if it isn’t broke don’t fix it! Leave him and Leif to develop that partnership.
The other side is an interesting one. Furlong is a good player - possibly controversially, I think the best we’ve had on that side. I quite like the look of the potential partnership with Egeli in front of him. They had their hands full Saturday, not least because Portsmouth’s left was pretty strong, but there were signs there, especially when the latter hit those cross field passes.
Szmodics and Hirst? Not sure that’s quite working yet. Sam is a good, busy player and I enjoyed him trampling on the Portsmouth defenders, who didn’t like it much. Some of his decision making is a bit questionable, but given time I think they’ll improve as a partnership. Let’s not forget that they’ve not played that many games together and in the Premier League when they did play, service to the forwards was zilch.
Lots of questions without touching on midfield, but lots of promise too. It’s clearly going to take time to realise some of that promise on a consistent basis, which is the name of the game in good teams. |  | | |
| Jaden’s role on 13:58 - Sep 30 with 170 views | Blooos |
So he's finally now come good and there's talk about moving him away from his position.. | | | |
| Jaden’s role on 14:56 - Sep 30 with 112 views | Horsham |
| Jaden’s role on 13:58 - Sep 30 by Blooos |
So he's finally now come good and there's talk about moving him away from his position.. |
Oh FFS I give up.
At some point in the future maybe his role will change.
Like Omari’s did or going back a bit like Thierry Henry.
This is the musing of one Ipswich fan, not a national movement to repurpose Philogene. [Post edited 30 Sep 14:57]
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