| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) 10:28 - Oct 2 with 727 views | RIPbobby |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:37 - Oct 2 with 703 views | Cafe_Newman |
In the men's game or the women's game? |  | | |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:39 - Oct 2 with 697 views | Guthrum |
Don't think it's entirely a new thing, but with better pitches and thus a higher pace (chasing passes, if nothing else), fitness has become a more noticeable factor.
We could see on Tuesday that Bristol were visibly tiring towards the end. Another ten minutes and we would certainly have scored. Our energetic tactical replacements were already almost more than they could cope with. |  |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:50 - Oct 2 with 670 views | _clive_baker_ |
Physical rather than fitness I'd say. I spoke to Wes Burns about it last season, he was saying the physicality in the premier league is absolutely ridiculous, even more so than the Championship. Its evident watching it but I think it was perhaps more extreme than people realise. People say its gone from footballer 1st, athlete 2nd to athlete 1st, footballer 2nd, but the reality is they're just both now.
I think its definitely changed the game, perhaps a bit less room for those pure out and out footballers who maybe lack that physicality, the artists. It feels now like you either have to be an absolute specimen physcially, or if you're not you have to be a complete generational talent to compensate. Like a Foden, or perhaps Dowman is the next in line.
Rugby's probably the same. The backs are absolute units nowadays, higher body mass but leaner, stronger, quicker. You don't see many big blokes carrying a few pounds, just absolutely ripped units. |  | | |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:00 - Oct 2 with 611 views | Garv |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:50 - Oct 2 by _clive_baker_ |
Physical rather than fitness I'd say. I spoke to Wes Burns about it last season, he was saying the physicality in the premier league is absolutely ridiculous, even more so than the Championship. Its evident watching it but I think it was perhaps more extreme than people realise. People say its gone from footballer 1st, athlete 2nd to athlete 1st, footballer 2nd, but the reality is they're just both now.
I think its definitely changed the game, perhaps a bit less room for those pure out and out footballers who maybe lack that physicality, the artists. It feels now like you either have to be an absolute specimen physcially, or if you're not you have to be a complete generational talent to compensate. Like a Foden, or perhaps Dowman is the next in line.
Rugby's probably the same. The backs are absolute units nowadays, higher body mass but leaner, stronger, quicker. You don't see many big blokes carrying a few pounds, just absolutely ripped units. |
I don't think it's a new thing. If anyone at the club went into the premier league not realizing the physicality requirements to compete I'd be astounded. Some of our recruitment last summer arguably suggests that might have been the case, but I imagine the reality is that we just weren't shopping (because we couldn't) in the same market as the established clubs.
Everyone at the elite level wants to win trophies yesterday, everyone underneath that wants to qualify for Europe yesterday, and it trickles down. Everyone is entitled and wants success, way more than previous eras I think. It's probably no surprise that the best way to do that is to recruit the best athletes, but it does mean the entertainment suffers in some cases. |  |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:02 - Oct 2 with 609 views | Durovigutum |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:50 - Oct 2 by _clive_baker_ |
Physical rather than fitness I'd say. I spoke to Wes Burns about it last season, he was saying the physicality in the premier league is absolutely ridiculous, even more so than the Championship. Its evident watching it but I think it was perhaps more extreme than people realise. People say its gone from footballer 1st, athlete 2nd to athlete 1st, footballer 2nd, but the reality is they're just both now.
I think its definitely changed the game, perhaps a bit less room for those pure out and out footballers who maybe lack that physicality, the artists. It feels now like you either have to be an absolute specimen physcially, or if you're not you have to be a complete generational talent to compensate. Like a Foden, or perhaps Dowman is the next in line.
Rugby's probably the same. The backs are absolute units nowadays, higher body mass but leaner, stronger, quicker. You don't see many big blokes carrying a few pounds, just absolutely ripped units. |
This is also why I think refereeing has got harder. You are starting to see referees get younger, but historically they’d be in their 40s because they would have to have “served their time” in the lower leagues. A 42 year old trying to keep up with play when you have athletes capable of sub ten second 100 metres sprint, to get in the right position to make a split second decision? Sometimes impossible |  | | |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:08 - Oct 2 with 572 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:00 - Oct 2 by Garv |
I don't think it's a new thing. If anyone at the club went into the premier league not realizing the physicality requirements to compete I'd be astounded. Some of our recruitment last summer arguably suggests that might have been the case, but I imagine the reality is that we just weren't shopping (because we couldn't) in the same market as the established clubs.
Everyone at the elite level wants to win trophies yesterday, everyone underneath that wants to qualify for Europe yesterday, and it trickles down. Everyone is entitled and wants success, way more than previous eras I think. It's probably no surprise that the best way to do that is to recruit the best athletes, but it does mean the entertainment suffers in some cases. |
Its not new, but its not something that just happens overnight, its a progressive thing and I do think that's stepped on over the past few years. While we expected it, I do think there was maybe a bit of a surprise to the extent. Certainly according to Wesley, and he's someone who has been in and around international football as well.
I think a lot of sports are going the same way owing to a lot of factors like developments in nutritional advice, cultural changes, diet, gym usage etc.
I think we'll recruit very differently if we go up again this season. We'll cast a much broader net than the Championship. | | | |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:09 - Oct 2 with 566 views | positivity |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:50 - Oct 2 by _clive_baker_ |
Physical rather than fitness I'd say. I spoke to Wes Burns about it last season, he was saying the physicality in the premier league is absolutely ridiculous, even more so than the Championship. Its evident watching it but I think it was perhaps more extreme than people realise. People say its gone from footballer 1st, athlete 2nd to athlete 1st, footballer 2nd, but the reality is they're just both now.
I think its definitely changed the game, perhaps a bit less room for those pure out and out footballers who maybe lack that physicality, the artists. It feels now like you either have to be an absolute specimen physcially, or if you're not you have to be a complete generational talent to compensate. Like a Foden, or perhaps Dowman is the next in line.
Rugby's probably the same. The backs are absolute units nowadays, higher body mass but leaner, stronger, quicker. You don't see many big blokes carrying a few pounds, just absolutely ripped units. |
you need both, a matt le tissier probably wouldn't make it nowadays (or maybe he'd get better conditioning?), but nor would usain bolt |  |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:11 - Oct 2 with 558 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:02 - Oct 2 by Durovigutum |
This is also why I think refereeing has got harder. You are starting to see referees get younger, but historically they’d be in their 40s because they would have to have “served their time” in the lower leagues. A 42 year old trying to keep up with play when you have athletes capable of sub ten second 100 metres sprint, to get in the right position to make a split second decision? Sometimes impossible |
Yeah not many Kevin Lynch's reffing top flight games after 8 pints the night before nowadays. | | | |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:24 - Oct 2 with 511 views | Guthrum |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 11:00 - Oct 2 by Garv |
I don't think it's a new thing. If anyone at the club went into the premier league not realizing the physicality requirements to compete I'd be astounded. Some of our recruitment last summer arguably suggests that might have been the case, but I imagine the reality is that we just weren't shopping (because we couldn't) in the same market as the established clubs.
Everyone at the elite level wants to win trophies yesterday, everyone underneath that wants to qualify for Europe yesterday, and it trickles down. Everyone is entitled and wants success, way more than previous eras I think. It's probably no surprise that the best way to do that is to recruit the best athletes, but it does mean the entertainment suffers in some cases. |
One can have an intellectual understanding of how difficult something is, but still be surprised when coming up against its reality, if something never experienced before.
Like top athletes and gymnasts, leading sportspeople are more or less physical freaks, with something about them which just sets apart from their peers. That may be a mental quirk as much as a physical one - even down to an iron determination which drives them to the very limits of what their bodies can do, or well beyond the normal age of retirement.
It's not many people we're talking about. There are only 500 male Prem footballers in England, drawn from the whole world's elite. One in eight million is certainly rare enough to be down to the most extraordinary specimens. | |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 12:30 - Oct 2 with 395 views | BrianTablet |
It's why it needs to be 10-a-side, and/or with bigger goals. |  |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 12:38 - Oct 2 with 356 views | Sharkey |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 10:50 - Oct 2 by _clive_baker_ |
Physical rather than fitness I'd say. I spoke to Wes Burns about it last season, he was saying the physicality in the premier league is absolutely ridiculous, even more so than the Championship. Its evident watching it but I think it was perhaps more extreme than people realise. People say its gone from footballer 1st, athlete 2nd to athlete 1st, footballer 2nd, but the reality is they're just both now.
I think its definitely changed the game, perhaps a bit less room for those pure out and out footballers who maybe lack that physicality, the artists. It feels now like you either have to be an absolute specimen physcially, or if you're not you have to be a complete generational talent to compensate. Like a Foden, or perhaps Dowman is the next in line.
Rugby's probably the same. The backs are absolute units nowadays, higher body mass but leaner, stronger, quicker. You don't see many big blokes carrying a few pounds, just absolutely ripped units. |
Even cricket. Some of the batters don't even need to time their shot to muscle it over the boundary. |  | | |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 12:54 - Oct 2 with 308 views | Herbivore |
Players now are ridiculous athletes but they are also technically excellent. Even CBs now are very good footballers, compared to the cloggers you used to see back in the day they have incredible technique. Tactically as well, the game has moved on hugely and players are so well drilled. The game has moved on a lot but the same is true of all other sports as well. It's why trying to compare eras is a bit pointless, our team of '81 would get battered out of sight by our current team but the old timers hate to hear that as they see it as being somehow critical of the team of '81. It's not, it's just that fitness, technique, and coaching levels have improved so much that you're effectively comparing apples and oranges. |  |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 14:16 - Oct 2 with 193 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 12:54 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Players now are ridiculous athletes but they are also technically excellent. Even CBs now are very good footballers, compared to the cloggers you used to see back in the day they have incredible technique. Tactically as well, the game has moved on hugely and players are so well drilled. The game has moved on a lot but the same is true of all other sports as well. It's why trying to compare eras is a bit pointless, our team of '81 would get battered out of sight by our current team but the old timers hate to hear that as they see it as being somehow critical of the team of '81. It's not, it's just that fitness, technique, and coaching levels have improved so much that you're effectively comparing apples and oranges. |
I must admit Herbz, i watched some late 70/80s football a little while ago and whilst we were amazing, some of the speed of football reminded me a lot of the current ladies game
In comparison to lets say premiership football today, it looks vastly vastly slower
Have I got that right or did i just come across a really bad highlight programme |  |
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| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 15:18 - Oct 2 with 115 views | Bramidan |
| Is football more about fitness than ability now? (n/t) on 12:54 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Players now are ridiculous athletes but they are also technically excellent. Even CBs now are very good footballers, compared to the cloggers you used to see back in the day they have incredible technique. Tactically as well, the game has moved on hugely and players are so well drilled. The game has moved on a lot but the same is true of all other sports as well. It's why trying to compare eras is a bit pointless, our team of '81 would get battered out of sight by our current team but the old timers hate to hear that as they see it as being somehow critical of the team of '81. It's not, it's just that fitness, technique, and coaching levels have improved so much that you're effectively comparing apples and oranges. |
I think Jose Mourinio assembled a winning side at Chelsea by buying huge strong physical units.
I’m not saying they were not technically gifted but he seemed to like big players with perhaps a couple of smaller gifted players. | | | |
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