| Playing out from the back 11:56 - Oct 8 with 2075 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
The 23/24 season was a revelation in watching how we developed that style. The combo of Hladky, Morsy, Woolfy, Burge and Tuanzebe/Davis was a huge part of our success. The style was set, but personnel changes meant it caused more problems than it solved in the Prem. However, in the last 2 matches, there have been signs that it’s getting better, not up to 23/24 levels but getting there. Palmer seems more confident than last season, Matusiwa seems to have got it. How do we all feel about it now? I feel that as long as Palmer hits it long as soon as the alarm bells start, it works. There were a couple of moments on Sunday where they tried one pass too many. But mostly this is a very effective tactic imho. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 14:31 - Oct 8 with 345 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Playing out from the back on 14:03 - Oct 8 by SE1blue |
And something Hladky was very good at was quickly throwing or kicking the ball straight to an attacking midfielder, bypassing the need for the tippy toot at the back. There’s that infamous goal (can’t remember against who) where we broke and scored in three passes.
Hopefully, Palmer can add that to his game too. |
Bolton away? Yes, a keeper, especially claiming a cross can spring an attack in a instant. Schmeichel was great at this 20 years ago! Frustrates me when they hold on, collapse on the ground ( unless it's last minute and we're 1-0 up!), when the midfield should be on their bikes! |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 14:35 - Oct 8 with 336 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Playing out from the back on 14:25 - Oct 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I remember precisely the passage of play you're referring to. You're right, a large section of the crowd reaction was pathetic and made me cringe. The team is encourage to play that way, and it is often successful. Yes, it's high risk, no it doesn't have a 100% success rate, but it doesn't need to. And it will become more successful, the longer they practice it. |
It's very high risk, in fact last season when we tried playing it, it was suicidal.
I'm sure someone will have the stats for last season but I would suggest we conceded twice as many goals as we scored by playing that way.
When we played that way in League 1 we could afford to be kamikaze, you always fancied we could outscore the opposition and we had the best players in that league. To try and play that way in the top flight was madness. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 14:37 - Oct 8 with 331 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Playing out from the back on 14:30 - Oct 8 by eireblue |
I am starting to get more nervous now when it is hoofed forward, and we invite another attack from midfield. |
Exactly - I remember this happening all the time in the PL. OK, the danger was higher in the PL, due to the quality of the teams we were up against, but hoofing it up field often results in loss of possession, and more pressure on us.
It was really bad at the start of the season, where Palmer's long kicks rarely went to us. It is improving - but I still prefer us keeping possession, and playing out MOST of the time - we definitely should mix it up, and play the long ball at times, as it keeps the opposition second guessing our play. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 14:48 - Oct 8 with 297 views | mrfixit426 |
I think it's starting to come together. The biggest problem at the moment is O'Shea's execution. He gave the ball away or passed into touch with his first five passes on Sunday. This has been an issue all season. As soon as he nails this down, we're golden. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 14:51 - Oct 8 with 279 views | RadioOrwell |
| Playing out from the back on 12:00 - Oct 8 by Bluefields |
It wasnt great on Sunday, O'Shea far to slow in moving the ball to either Palmer or Furlong |
There were some really poor moments. I don't think that Furlong was even slightly comfortable working the system.
And he had Egeli ahead of him who won't know the system.very well.
And Cajuste is quite capable of losing the ball if pressured.
There were times when 4 or 5 nodge players were going hard into us which means there were 5 or 6 covering the rest of the pitch.
That has to be the time to put the ball forward.
But it's not my job is it. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 14:57 - Oct 8 with 266 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Playing out from the back on 14:35 - Oct 8 by Blue_In_Boston |
It's very high risk, in fact last season when we tried playing it, it was suicidal.
I'm sure someone will have the stats for last season but I would suggest we conceded twice as many goals as we scored by playing that way.
When we played that way in League 1 we could afford to be kamikaze, you always fancied we could outscore the opposition and we had the best players in that league. To try and play that way in the top flight was madness. |
But we're not in the top flight now - that's history. We need to set ourselves up for our current level.
When we return to the PL, we can see what we have squad-wise, and set ourselves appropriately at that time.
For now, in the Championship, I'm confident that playing out from the back wil reward us more than it doesn't. And we should mix it up a bit too. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 15:01 - Oct 8 with 258 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Playing out from the back on 14:48 - Oct 8 by mrfixit426 |
I think it's starting to come together. The biggest problem at the moment is O'Shea's execution. He gave the ball away or passed into touch with his first five passes on Sunday. This has been an issue all season. As soon as he nails this down, we're golden. |
To be fair to O'Shea on Sunday (not previous games), there was a very strong wind to deal with, and I think this affected his range judgement for the first 10 minutes.
The effect on the ball was very evident in other areas at times. Balls that you would have expected to go into touch being held up, and staying in play. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 15:24 - Oct 8 with 227 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Playing out from the back on 14:57 - Oct 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
But we're not in the top flight now - that's history. We need to set ourselves up for our current level.
When we return to the PL, we can see what we have squad-wise, and set ourselves appropriately at that time.
For now, in the Championship, I'm confident that playing out from the back wil reward us more than it doesn't. And we should mix it up a bit too. |
I agree with you, in this league as one of the better sides it has its place, but needs to be mixed up with a long ball at times, keep the opposition guessing.
However, that doesn't erase last year, yes its history, but KMK seemed to think it was a good idea when it was plain to see that it wasn't working, or likely to. | | | |
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| Playing out from the back on 15:30 - Oct 8 with 217 views | RadioOrwell |
| Playing out from the back on 15:24 - Oct 8 by Blue_In_Boston |
I agree with you, in this league as one of the better sides it has its place, but needs to be mixed up with a long ball at times, keep the opposition guessing.
However, that doesn't erase last year, yes its history, but KMK seemed to think it was a good idea when it was plain to see that it wasn't working, or likely to. |
We can be sure KMK will be looking at the promoted teams and looking very carefully at how they are playing and at who they recruited. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 16:52 - Oct 8 with 164 views | surreyblue |
| Playing out from the back on 14:31 - Oct 8 by Bluespeed225 |
Bolton away? Yes, a keeper, especially claiming a cross can spring an attack in a instant. Schmeichel was great at this 20 years ago! Frustrates me when they hold on, collapse on the ground ( unless it's last minute and we're 1-0 up!), when the midfield should be on their bikes! |
I think it was Derby away rather than Bolton, and Walton in goal rather than Hladky.
There were a couple of instances against Norwich where Palmer made a similarly quick throw out to Davis which I thought worked well.
I suspect this season the playing out from the back is going to be a bit different. Teams seem to be focusing the press on the midfield rather than the defence (at least initially). I wonder if we will see a progression of "suicide ball" to draw teams further onto us, followed by "direct to the front 4" to push them back, and finally "play through the midfield as gaps start to open up from 70 minutes onwards. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 16:54 - Oct 8 with 165 views | Bluefields |
| Playing out from the back on 13:18 - Oct 8 by homer_123 |
There is a reason he's slow. It's deliberate.
For 'playing out from the back' to work - you need space to play in and behind a press.
He's slow because he's waiting for a player to activate the press, which in turn should activate another player of the opposition to press - from that point you are looking for space to play through and in behind, whether it a pass through to Mats or Jens etc.
You do need to move the ball quickly but, and this especially applies when playing out from the set pieces where the oppos is already set, that quickness comes once the press is started - otherwise, all the oppo need to do is shuffle one side of the other.
I'm going to reply to another post on here, specifically about the Norwich game but it applies to this as well. |
di I appreciate that you have to draw the opposition out but he was just dwelling on it unnecessarily and he hung Furlong out to dry a number of times. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 17:00 - Oct 8 with 160 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Playing out from the back on 14:25 - Oct 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I remember precisely the passage of play you're referring to. You're right, a large section of the crowd reaction was pathetic and made me cringe. The team is encourage to play that way, and it is often successful. Yes, it's high risk, no it doesn't have a 100% success rate, but it doesn't need to. And it will become more successful, the longer they practice it. |
Whenever I sit in the South stand, the reaction is worse. The view you get there makes it look like we're under way more pressure than we actually are.
On the flip side, that cock up at the back between Palmer, Furlong and O'Shea that led to the most nerves was pretty crap. Just kept going round and round between them, which is useless. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 17:09 - Oct 8 with 150 views | TheBoyBlue |
It is coming together and it is important to stick with it. I remember in his early days here McKenna explaining it and it made complete sense and I'm constantly banging on about why we play that way to anyone who listens and a lot of those who weren't.
However, it is important to mix it up, which we showed perfectly on Sunday. To give Norwich their dues they were really good at pressing us which surprised me and possibly surprised the team, because we were constantly getting caught out. We were getting success up front where they were struggling with our attack, so it was frustrating that we weren't getting it up to them quicker. Then in the second half there was a moment when we nearly conceded from overplaying it in our own penalty area, O'Shea and one or two others had a chat, Palmer cleared it up with ironic cheers and from that point we played it out from the back less (or at least less ponderously) and I barely remember Norwich having a sniff after that, it was nearly all us.
Playing it out from the back more carefully will work better against some teams more than other, but we've shown we can adapt, so hopefully that'll hold us in good stead when we find we are struggling in other games this season.
McKenna knows what he's doing, even if next time we deign to drop points the usual culprits will come out and suggest otherwise. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 17:12 - Oct 8 with 148 views | homer_123 |
| Playing out from the back on 16:54 - Oct 8 by Bluefields |
di I appreciate that you have to draw the opposition out but he was just dwelling on it unnecessarily and he hung Furlong out to dry a number of times. |
Again, with Norwich not pressing that first pass (to O'Shea) - he doesn't have an out ball.
He had 2/3 forwards in front of him and then both Jens and Matsi are marked and were struggling to lose their player, plus Norwich committed another player in the middle as well.
What do you want him to do?
He did play into Matsi and Jens a couple of times and Norwich's press then worked a treat and nearly lead to a goal (where Jen's initially turned him man but then lost the ball). |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 17:30 - Oct 8 with 134 views | cbower |
| Playing out from the back on 15:01 - Oct 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
To be fair to O'Shea on Sunday (not previous games), there was a very strong wind to deal with, and I think this affected his range judgement for the first 10 minutes.
The effect on the ball was very evident in other areas at times. Balls that you would have expected to go into touch being held up, and staying in play. |
It was windy yes but O'Shea's misplaced passes where between 10 and 20 yards on the deck. |  |
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