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Well, well, well! 23:38 - Oct 21 with 5479 views

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/21/police-intelligence-on-extreme-m

Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters were banned from watching their game against Aston Villa after police intelligence concluded the biggest risk of violence came from extremist fans of the Israeli club.

According to sources, police intelligence said:

Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.

Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.

They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.

A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.

A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.

Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.

The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.

The ban on Maccabi fans was made by Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group. It was decided after an intelligence assessment was conducted by West Midlands police, shared with the national UK football policing unit.

The UK football policing unit is understood to have backed the conclusions reached by local police.

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Well, well, well! on 12:19 - Oct 23 with 1003 views

lowhouseblue

Well, well, well! on 11:48 - Oct 23 by StokieBlue
There is no agenda here, I saw that article this morning and thought extra studies are never a bad thing. I never said it was significant or even important, it's a study which cites a club being discussed. I'm getting pretty annoyed at the insinuations being made here. SB

it wasn't a reply to you. it was a reply to a someone claiming that people were only pointing out that similar data to that quoted by the guardian applies to many different groups of fans because the data 'goes against their entrenched beliefs'. no, it's being pointed out because it's true.

i don't know what to say about you getting pretty annoyed.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

Well, well, well! on 12:23 - Oct 23 with 992 views

leitrimblue

Well, well, well! on 10:27 - Oct 23 by lowhouseblue
following euro 24 uefa sanctioned serbia, croatia, romania, slovenia, austria, hungaria and albania for racist chanting by their fans. are all fans from those countries to be banned from travelling to the uk?

Fans from those countries aren't even racist enough to get Tommy Robinson to support um.

Or perhaps they just don't hate Arabs enough to get our Tommy's endorsement

Well, well, well! on 12:48 - Oct 23 with 925 views

Swansea_Blue

Well, well, well! on 11:22 - Oct 23 by Cafe_Newman

Your comment is at odds with one of the concluding paragraphs in the article linked by SB which you have replied to:

"A growth in racism at Israeli grounds is at odds with broader trends in Europe, according to Piara Powar, the executive director of the Fare network, which monitors racist activity at football matches across the continent. “In the European context, and indeed in a global environment, it’s difficult to say that discrimination is going up as a whole,” he said."

That’s odd, because there are countless reports backed up by official statistics of an increase in hate crimes on the basis of race, religious and sexual orientation. I’m not just talking football, but also generally across societies. Europe, the US and other countries like Australia are all reporting problems. I’ve only picked a couple for each, but there are pages of them in a search results.

Racist chants/abuse up in English football: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3rw0v1y4v4o
“KIO received a record number of reports of discrimination in a single season for 2023-24, with levels of sexism, misogyny and racism all on the rise.
Across all levels of English football, there were 1,332 incidents reported by the organisation - a 32% increase. Racism remained the most reported form of discrimination, with a 47% rise in abuse across all levels.”

Antisemitism up:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c147w9572dvo.amp
https://www.euronews.com/2025/05/08/antisemitic-incidents-surge-across-europe-an

Islamophobia up:
https://www.statista.com/topics/13211/islamophobia-in-europe/?srsltid=AfmBOopFKW
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/surge-of-islamophobia-in-europe-uk-discussed-in-

Homophobia/transphobia, etc:
https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2024/harassment-and-violence-against-lgbtiq-people
https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/new-fbi-data-anti-lgbtq-hate-crimes-continue-
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/homophobia-on-the-rise-aft

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Well, well, well! on 13:38 - Oct 23 with 870 views

GlasgowBlue

Well, well, well! on 12:23 - Oct 23 by leitrimblue
Fans from those countries aren't even racist enough to get Tommy Robinson to support um. Or perhaps they just don't hate Arabs enough to get our Tommy's endorsement

Arab Israelis make up approximately 21% of Israel's population. They work in every part of Israeli society, including the IDF, the Police, the Judiciary and the Israeli Parliament. They also have representation in the Israeli national team and indeed Maccabi Tel Aviv. To lump Israelis as a group that "hate Arabs" is a gross misrepresentaion.

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Well, well, well! on 13:50 - Oct 23 with 854 views

leitrimblue

Well, well, well! on 13:38 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue
Arab Israelis make up approximately 21% of Israel's population. They work in every part of Israeli society, including the IDF, the Police, the Judiciary and the Israeli Parliament. They also have representation in the Israeli national team and indeed Maccabi Tel Aviv. To lump Israelis as a group that "hate Arabs" is a gross misrepresentaion.

I was discussing Tommy's boys, Maccabi fans.

Though I'm pretty sure you knew that..

Well, well, well! on 13:59 - Oct 23 with 829 views

GlasgowBlue

Well, well, well! on 13:50 - Oct 23 by leitrimblue
I was discussing Tommy's boys, Maccabi fans. Though I'm pretty sure you knew that..

All Maccabi fans or a small minority? We have a small minority of fans who sing homophobic songs mocking the suicide of Justin Fashanu. Should the majority of Ipswich fans be tarred with that?

As PhillyMark said, words matter.

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Well, well, well! on 14:07 - Oct 23 with 815 views

leitrimblue

Well, well, well! on 13:59 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue
All Maccabi fans or a small minority? We have a small minority of fans who sing homophobic songs mocking the suicide of Justin Fashanu. Should the majority of Ipswich fans be tarred with that? As PhillyMark said, words matter. [Post edited 23 Oct 14:03]

A minority

Pretty sure those fans who sing about Fashanu didn't go hunting homosexual taxi drivers the night before the match. Or attacking houses with rainbow flags.

You and Tommy can defend the far right Maccabi ultras as much as you like. I feel quite comfortable calling them out for the far right Islamophobic scumbags they are.

Well, well, well! on 14:13 - Oct 23 with 797 views

vapour_trail

I was quietly wondering whether the small but predictable group of protagonists on here who peddled a false narrative when this story broke would a) return to correct their earlier misinterpretations; b) not post anything in the hope that it wouldn’t be pointed out to them, or c) double down.

It would appear the strategy was b followed by c. It was never likely to be a.

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Well, well, well! on 14:18 - Oct 23 with 772 views

GlasgowBlue

Well, well, well! on 14:07 - Oct 23 by leitrimblue
A minority Pretty sure those fans who sing about Fashanu didn't go hunting homosexual taxi drivers the night before the match. Or attacking houses with rainbow flags. You and Tommy can defend the far right Maccabi ultras as much as you like. I feel quite comfortable calling them out for the far right Islamophobic scumbags they are.

Where have I defended far right Maccabi ultras? I have condemned the racist minority of Maccabi fans on numerous occasions. Never defended them.

Unlike you I don't stereotype a majority for the actions of a minority. I think there is a word for that.

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Well, well, well! on 14:22 - Oct 23 with 757 views

leitrimblue

Well, well, well! on 14:18 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue
Where have I defended far right Maccabi ultras? I have condemned the racist minority of Maccabi fans on numerous occasions. Never defended them. Unlike you I don't stereotype a majority for the actions of a minority. I think there is a word for that.

So what would that word be then mate?

You really want us to believe you haven't downplayed the racism and Islamophobia that Maccabi are famous for?

Well, well, well! on 14:37 - Oct 23 with 711 views

GlasgowBlue

Well, well, well! on 14:22 - Oct 23 by leitrimblue
So what would that word be then mate? You really want us to believe you haven't downplayed the racism and Islamophobia that Maccabi are famous for?

I haven't downplayed the actions of those Maccabi fans who took part in racist genocidal chanting and burning of Palestinian flags in Amsterdam. However, I've called it our for what it is. The disgusting actions of a minority. Why do you have a problem with that?

"a minority of Maccabi fans behaved appallingly. They took part in disgusting racism and genocidal chanting. If they got a kicking for their actions they deserved it."

Aston Villa banning away fans..... by GlasgowBlue 16 Oct 19:09
You should read what is written. I've said at the time and i've said on this thread that a minority of Maccabi fans behaved appallingly. They took part in disgusting racism and genocidal chanting. If they goit a kicking for their actions they deserved it.

However, the attacks were coordinated against Jews days before any of this took place. And they were anti semitic. People were attacked for "helping Jews".

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1855815980577878148

The reason given for Maccabi fans not being permitted to attend the Vila game is because of potential attacks similar to those seen in Amsterdam.

I can link more if you like.

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Well, well, well! on 14:41 - Oct 23 with 703 views

DJR

Well, well, well! on 12:48 - Oct 23 by Swansea_Blue

Yes, very sad times we live in, with minorities of all types under attack. Sadly, it only looks like things will get worse, with the media and politicians playing their part in stirring things up. Indeed, any shackles there once might have been have long since been thrown off.

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Well, well, well! on 14:43 - Oct 23 with 698 views

BloomBlue

Well, well, well! on 14:07 - Oct 23 by leitrimblue
A minority Pretty sure those fans who sing about Fashanu didn't go hunting homosexual taxi drivers the night before the match. Or attacking houses with rainbow flags. You and Tommy can defend the far right Maccabi ultras as much as you like. I feel quite comfortable calling them out for the far right Islamophobic scumbags they are.

Not every Maccabi fan is a racist but they have been highlighted to drive an anti Jewish agenda

At the pro Palestine marches, certainly in London, there is a history of shouting “racist taunts”, by some people. Are you happy to accept therefore everyone at those marches is a hater of the Jewish people because a few people on those marches are racist scumbagd? You seem to be happy to generalise that every Maccabi fan is based on a few.

At the end of the day there is violence at every football game, and racism, anybody who claims differently is just lying.

There was 141 incidents of racist abuse at EFL grounds last season, why haven't fans from those clubs been banned from travelling, because of a few?

We will see if the West Midlands police ban any other team fans. If they do I'll hold up my hands and accept it.
If they dont then 100% their decision against Maccabi is antisemitic.

Well, well, well! on 15:05 - Oct 23 with 650 views

GlasgowBlue

Well, well, well! on 14:13 - Oct 23 by vapour_trail
I was quietly wondering whether the small but predictable group of protagonists on here who peddled a false narrative when this story broke would a) return to correct their earlier misinterpretations; b) not post anything in the hope that it wouldn’t be pointed out to them, or c) double down. It would appear the strategy was b followed by c. It was never likely to be a.

Once again, thank you for you valuable contribution to this thread and volley of down arrows which is always appreciated.

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A on 18:02 - Oct 23 with 547 views

Cafe_Newman

Well, well, well! on 13:38 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue
Arab Israelis make up approximately 21% of Israel's population. They work in every part of Israeli society, including the IDF, the Police, the Judiciary and the Israeli Parliament. They also have representation in the Israeli national team and indeed Maccabi Tel Aviv. To lump Israelis as a group that "hate Arabs" is a gross misrepresentaion.

Do they work in high positions in the IDF, police, judiciary, parliament etc?
Do they have equal rights in Israeli society?
Which Arabic Israeli has the highest position in Israel?
I guess, Israel, being a completely equitable society, there are Arabs in approximately 21% of all important public positions. What are they?

Don't rise to it GB..... on 18:11 - Oct 23 with 558 views

Bloots

Well, well, well! on 14:37 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue

I can link more if you like.

....you know what will happen.

Relax.

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Well, well, well! on 21:28 - Oct 23 with 495 views

vapour_trail

Well, well, well! on 15:05 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue
Once again, thank you for you valuable contribution to this thread and volley of down arrows which is always appreciated.

Being spoken down to for board contributions by a bloke in his 50s / 60s / whatever who keeps getting banned from these pages for his behaviour.

Crack on Glasgow Blue .

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Well, well, well! on 21:51 - Oct 23 with 457 views

J2BLUE

Well, well, well! on 21:28 - Oct 23 by vapour_trail
Being spoken down to for board contributions by a bloke in his 50s / 60s / whatever who keeps getting banned from these pages for his behaviour. Crack on Glasgow Blue .

You've become a very angry little hobbit.

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Well, well, well! on 22:00 - Oct 23 with 428 views

vapour_trail

Well, well, well! on 21:51 - Oct 23 by J2BLUE
You've become a very angry little hobbit.

Did that really come across as angry to you j2?

I don’t really have anything to say about the hobbit comment.

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Well, well, well! on 22:04 - Oct 23 with 400 views

J2BLUE

Well, well, well! on 22:00 - Oct 23 by vapour_trail
Did that really come across as angry to you j2? I don’t really have anything to say about the hobbit comment.

in general. Since you returned you seem very unhappy and snippy.

It may be my interpretation. It's why I asked if you were ok the other day.

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Well, well, well! on 22:10 - Oct 23 with 369 views

BanksterDebtSlave

Well, well, well! on 21:51 - Oct 23 by J2BLUE
You've become a very angry little hobbit.

Monkey finds as monkey does....

Well, well, well! by J2BLUE 22 Oct 20:25
Who cares? It's blaming the right people and Bankster couldn't contain his excitement.

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Well, well, well! on 22:13 - Oct 23 with 362 views

J2BLUE

Well, well, well! on 22:10 - Oct 23 by BanksterDebtSlave
Monkey finds as monkey does.... Well, well, well! by J2BLUE 22 Oct 20:25 Who cares? It's blaming the right people and Bankster couldn't contain his excitement.

Oh there's no doubt I can be a bit of a tw@t.

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Well, well, well! on 22:26 - Oct 23 with 317 views

BanksterDebtSlave

Well, well, well! on 22:13 - Oct 23 by J2BLUE
Oh there's no doubt I can be a bit of a tw@t.

Is someone that upvotes a tw@tish comment a bit of a tw@t too would you say?

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Well, well, well! on 22:29 - Oct 23 with 297 views

J2BLUE

Well, well, well! on 22:26 - Oct 23 by BanksterDebtSlave
Is someone that upvotes a tw@tish comment a bit of a tw@t too would you say? [Post edited 23 Oct 22:30]

VT does come across as angry. As I said, may be my interpretation but seems that way.

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Well, well, well! on 22:31 - Oct 23 with 286 views

BanksterDebtSlave

Well, well, well! on 22:29 - Oct 23 by J2BLUE
VT does come across as angry. As I said, may be my interpretation but seems that way.

Let's keep this about you...

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