| Town’s Routes to Goals 09:52 - Nov 5 with 1069 views | Chris_ITFC |
Genuine question. What are we trying to do? Or more specifically, tactically, when we attack, how are we ideally aiming to score a goal?
I came away from last night, and I couldn’t describe it, particularly without Davis. At best, it was:
“Spam some crosses, hoping Hirst might score a header, because no-one else bloody will - and even he’s only managed it vs QPR.”
Sure, we create other chances - but it doesn’t feel like there’s a clear, successful plan to do so.
This (vey arbitrary, rough) categorisation of our goals worries me, because everyone says we aren’t a set piece team / we’re sh*t at them, but that’s the closest we have to something fruitful and sustainable.
Town’s Routes to Goals
Set pieces - 8*
Philogene bangers - 4
Ben Godfrey - 4**
Clarke vs tired legs - 3
Cross to Hirst (aerial) - 2
Cross to Hirst (ground) - 1
Winger in behind - 1
Own goals - 1
*3 pens, 3 corners, 2 free-kicks
**includes 1 Philogene banger and 1 Clarke vs tired legs |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 09:56 - Nov 5 with 887 views | ArnieM |
The only clear plan in show is build SLOWLY from the back, eventually get it to the half way line then……… |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 09:59 - Nov 5 with 876 views | Swansea_Blue |
I love how Ben Godfrey is our equal second best chance of scoring 
He was atrocious (and not much better when he was here - one of our most bizarre signings under this new regime). |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 09:59 - Nov 5 with 874 views | CopfordBlue |
The criticism last season and early this was that we were “too predictable” and had been “found out”. Now we start really mixing it up and this is the reaction. The real issue is that we don’t have a striker of the quality needed to consistently benefit from the opportunities created. [Post edited 5 Nov 10:01]
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:01 - Nov 5 with 848 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 09:59 - Nov 5 by Swansea_Blue |
I love how Ben Godfrey is our equal second best chance of scoring
He was atrocious (and not much better when he was here - one of our most bizarre signings under this new regime). |
Yes, I didn’t think I could give him all 5! 
Philogene’s second was pretty central (and unstoppable!). | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:04 - Nov 5 with 817 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 09:59 - Nov 5 by CopfordBlue |
The criticism last season and early this was that we were “too predictable” and had been “found out”. Now we start really mixing it up and this is the reaction. The real issue is that we don’t have a striker of the quality needed to consistently benefit from the opportunities created. [Post edited 5 Nov 10:01]
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I would be quite happy with some clear, set, patterns of play - for example, Davis cut-backs to Chaplin, or the Chaplin 1-2s with Burns, who crosses - but we lack anything similar now. No-one minds predictable if it works.
It’s understandable we don’t have that level of connection in a new team, but I’m just not sure what the aspiration is for our route to goal.
Your striker point is fair. It probably applies to most of the 92 though, particularly if you want a ruthless finisher and all-round hold-up play. | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:07 - Nov 5 with 781 views | SitfcB |
Bloke on the radio last night said ‘if it wasn’t for Philogene’s magic and super sub Clarke we’d be down the bottom’ or something to that effect.
Sayings like that annoy me, you could say that about anything. |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:13 - Nov 5 with 712 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:04 - Nov 5 by Chris_ITFC |
I would be quite happy with some clear, set, patterns of play - for example, Davis cut-backs to Chaplin, or the Chaplin 1-2s with Burns, who crosses - but we lack anything similar now. No-one minds predictable if it works.
It’s understandable we don’t have that level of connection in a new team, but I’m just not sure what the aspiration is for our route to goal.
Your striker point is fair. It probably applies to most of the 92 though, particularly if you want a ruthless finisher and all-round hold-up play. |
The 23/24 team could play like that because teams really came onto them and as you mention, the almost telepathic connections that they had built up.
Not only do we not have that but for 90% of last nights match Watford played in a mid/ low block.
We are going to have to score more varied goals and we are going to have to score from more crosses ... had two on the weekend and should have had another two last night.
Wouldn't call it 'spamming crosses', most were well directed and gave the striker a chance. | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:16 - Nov 5 with 701 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:07 - Nov 5 by SitfcB |
Bloke on the radio last night said ‘if it wasn’t for Philogene’s magic and super sub Clarke we’d be down the bottom’ or something to that effect.
Sayings like that annoy me, you could say that about anything. |
“If my auntie had wheels…”, etc.
I think the crux of my point is that we’re a fair chunk of the season in, and it doesn’t pass the eye test. What are we trying to do? Because it doesn’t seem to be working, based on our goals.
The Philogene magic and super sub Clarke are great, BUT - we aren’t practising that to death on the training ground as part of some masterplan, nor are either of those likely to be sustainable. | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:19 - Nov 5 with 668 views | CopfordBlue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:04 - Nov 5 by Chris_ITFC |
I would be quite happy with some clear, set, patterns of play - for example, Davis cut-backs to Chaplin, or the Chaplin 1-2s with Burns, who crosses - but we lack anything similar now. No-one minds predictable if it works.
It’s understandable we don’t have that level of connection in a new team, but I’m just not sure what the aspiration is for our route to goal.
Your striker point is fair. It probably applies to most of the 92 though, particularly if you want a ruthless finisher and all-round hold-up play. |
What we saw in 22-24 was really special. You knew what was coming but the opposition seemed powerless to stop it. That was unusual though. I don’t think we’ll ever see an Ipswich team near to that level of cohesion and team work again.
I get where you’re coming from and it is frustrating at times. We seem to be more reliant on moments of individual quality for our goals but the same can be said of most of the best sides in the world - their primary strategy is possession, wearing teams down and waiting for the split second the opposition switch off or lose concentration to score. I think that that is what we are trying to emulate, with mixed results so far. | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:21 - Nov 5 with 656 views | FrimleyBlue |
Commented last night, I never felt once we got past halfway that a goal was coming. We just don't look that threatening with the ball. |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:21 - Nov 5 with 659 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:16 - Nov 5 by Chris_ITFC |
“If my auntie had wheels…”, etc.
I think the crux of my point is that we’re a fair chunk of the season in, and it doesn’t pass the eye test. What are we trying to do? Because it doesn’t seem to be working, based on our goals.
The Philogene magic and super sub Clarke are great, BUT - we aren’t practising that to death on the training ground as part of some masterplan, nor are either of those likely to be sustainable. |
In terms of the eye test, what we are trying to do is resulting in big chances though ... we are just not putting them away.
I know goals are the start/ end point for success but we have missed the most 'big chances' in the division by someway.
That demonstrates that it is far more than Philo/ Clarke, we are just not clinical.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/teams/big_chance_miss | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:22 - Nov 5 with 646 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:13 - Nov 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
The 23/24 team could play like that because teams really came onto them and as you mention, the almost telepathic connections that they had built up.
Not only do we not have that but for 90% of last nights match Watford played in a mid/ low block.
We are going to have to score more varied goals and we are going to have to score from more crosses ... had two on the weekend and should have had another two last night.
Wouldn't call it 'spamming crosses', most were well directed and gave the striker a chance. |
Spam can be well-directed.  But fair point.
However - I don’t see Philogene or Walle Egeli winning many back post headers, and neither Akpom nor Cajuste seem to have the appetite to attack them.
So that just leaves Hirst, inevitably outnumbered. It’s not a tactic. | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:23 - Nov 5 with 642 views | surreyblue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:21 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Commented last night, I never felt once we got past halfway that a goal was coming. We just don't look that threatening with the ball. |
Yet despite that we had four clear cut chances in the last 30 minutes (Azon x2, Nunez and Taylor)? | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:23 - Nov 5 with 641 views | mellowblue |
Team talk
Right lads, get it out wide and then sling it in and hope for Hirsty to be in the right spot. Any questions? Out you go then." | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:24 - Nov 5 with 628 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:23 - Nov 5 by surreyblue |
Yet despite that we had four clear cut chances in the last 30 minutes (Azon x2, Nunez and Taylor)? |
Yeah that's after subs against tired legs
but for 60 minutes, i can't say i ever felt like a goal was coming, more in hope of one, but didn't have that edge of seat feeling | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:24 - Nov 5 with 629 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:21 - Nov 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
In terms of the eye test, what we are trying to do is resulting in big chances though ... we are just not putting them away.
I know goals are the start/ end point for success but we have missed the most 'big chances' in the division by someway.
That demonstrates that it is far more than Philo/ Clarke, we are just not clinical.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/teams/big_chance_miss |
30 (THIRTY)…?!
WELL DONE, you’ve made me cry now. What could’ve been…  | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:25 - Nov 5 with 622 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:23 - Nov 5 by mellowblue |
Team talk
Right lads, get it out wide and then sling it in and hope for Hirsty to be in the right spot. Any questions? Out you go then." |
Kinda. | |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:26 - Nov 5 with 613 views | surreyblue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:23 - Nov 5 by mellowblue |
Team talk
Right lads, get it out wide and then sling it in and hope for Hirsty to be in the right spot. Any questions? Out you go then." |
Was 23/24 that much different? Most goals came from three routes - set pieces, high press, and getting Burns/Davis in behind to pull the ball back (either in the air or on the ground). Difference now is that teams are packing the final third which makes it a lot harder to get in behind, so we are having to try to find gaps in other ways.
That then leads to us pressing up a lot - for much of the second half our further player back was 10 yards into Watford's half - which makes us susceptible on the break. | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:51 - Nov 5 with 484 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:24 - Nov 5 by Chris_ITFC |
30 (THIRTY)…?!
WELL DONE, you’ve made me cry now. What could’ve been… |
The table for big chances created (whatever they are) was also interesting - top was Cov on 45, we are next on 43, next Birmingham on 36 - and we have played one fewer game.... | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:54 - Nov 5 with 469 views | homer_123 |
Zone 14 fella. |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:55 - Nov 5 with 464 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:51 - Nov 5 by Exiled2Surrey |
The table for big chances created (whatever they are) was also interesting - top was Cov on 45, we are next on 43, next Birmingham on 36 - and we have played one fewer game.... |
It wont make you feel better reading this ....
Opta - Big Chance: A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter. | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:56 - Nov 5 with 448 views | surreyblue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:55 - Nov 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
It wont make you feel better reading this ....
Opta - Big Chance: A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter. |
I've been having a quick flick through Futmob to see if either we can see the same stats for 23/24, or if there is a list of which chances are considered "big chances" in each game. | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 11:03 - Nov 5 with 428 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:56 - Nov 5 by surreyblue |
I've been having a quick flick through Futmob to see if either we can see the same stats for 23/24, or if there is a list of which chances are considered "big chances" in each game. |
We missed 66 big chances across the entire 46 game season in 23/24.
If we carry on at out current rate we will have missed 106 big chances over the course of this season. | | | |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 11:03 - Nov 5 with 427 views | Scuzzer |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 10:23 - Nov 5 by mellowblue |
Team talk
Right lads, get it out wide and then sling it in and hope for Hirsty to be in the right spot. Any questions? Out you go then." |
Worked against QPR |  |
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| Town’s Routes to Goals on 11:25 - Nov 5 with 316 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Town’s Routes to Goals on 11:03 - Nov 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
We missed 66 big chances across the entire 46 game season in 23/24.
If we carry on at out current rate we will have missed 106 big chances over the course of this season. |
That’s mad. | |
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