| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe 16:20 - Nov 16 with 1774 views | bluelagos |
Win a group and you're through but beyond that - anyone want to explain in a short easy to grasp couple of sentences?
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:49 - Nov 16 with 346 views | Churchman |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:43 - Nov 16 by MattinLondon |
Your idea centres upon some international teams automatically qualifying for the WC. It’s unfair because Italy and England have failed to qualify for the tournament on more than one occasion.
You also stated that those domestic leagues will continue uninterrupted- so you’re saying only English players or players in those international teams you listed play in the PL and La Liga etc.
Irish, Scottish, Scandinavian players play in those leagues - carrying on regardless will be unfair on teams that have those national in their squad. |
It might encourage English clubs to concentrate more on developing English players. It might not but I don’t see that as an issue any more than I see PL clubs worrying about the African Cup of Nations.
England last failed to qualify 31 years ago. How far in history do you want to go back? Italy more recently I’m sure but they are an asset to the tournament with a powerful league system, money and our one of the traditional, previous winners.
As I say just an idea to try and reduce utterly pointless fixtures like the last eight England have played. |  | | |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:50 - Nov 16 with 343 views | vapour_trail |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:25 - Nov 16 by Churchman |
Why?
The domestic leagues pay the players, the audiences support and finance is driven by the big leagues and watching England reserves walking all over four other countries twice over achieves what?
As you usually do you downvoted me. I’ll try and live with the disappointment, but do try and remember it’s just an opinion for discussion. [Post edited 16 Nov 19:28]
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It’s like getting rid of relegation. Or a super league.
It’s anti-competitive.
It’s basically the opposite of what’s good about football.
It’s shite.
I’m sorry if the odd downvote button is that hurtful. I’ll try and refrain. |  |
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:59 - Nov 16 with 315 views | Churchman |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:50 - Nov 16 by vapour_trail |
It’s like getting rid of relegation. Or a super league.
It’s anti-competitive.
It’s basically the opposite of what’s good about football.
It’s shite.
I’m sorry if the odd downvote button is that hurtful. I’ll try and refrain. |
It’s up to you what you do or don’t do. There’s a little more in life to worry about than nonsense like that. It’s just something I don’t use.
There’s plenty that’s not good about professional football but if that’s brown stuff, what is your view on seeding in the finals and all that stuff? Same isn’t it?
As for anti competitive, throwing teams in groups to see them wipe over the opposition eight times with ease seems pretty pointless too. Especially when the clubs that pay the bills have their seasons disturbed. | | | |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 20:18 - Nov 16 with 287 views | vapour_trail |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 19:59 - Nov 16 by Churchman |
It’s up to you what you do or don’t do. There’s a little more in life to worry about than nonsense like that. It’s just something I don’t use.
There’s plenty that’s not good about professional football but if that’s brown stuff, what is your view on seeding in the finals and all that stuff? Same isn’t it?
As for anti competitive, throwing teams in groups to see them wipe over the opposition eight times with ease seems pretty pointless too. Especially when the clubs that pay the bills have their seasons disturbed. |
You brought it up.
Seeding. Fair point. I can live with that, but I wouldn’t be averse to random draws.
Italy have failed to secure automatic qualification three times in a row and Brazil came pretty close this time. Your argument seems to be about money. Personally, i preferred the competitive nature of football when finance had less of an influence. To be honest, i assumed a man of your vintage would get that.
Suspect Infantino might be keen on your idea. | |
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 20:33 - Nov 16 with 253 views | Churchman |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 20:18 - Nov 16 by vapour_trail |
You brought it up.
Seeding. Fair point. I can live with that, but I wouldn’t be averse to random draws.
Italy have failed to secure automatic qualification three times in a row and Brazil came pretty close this time. Your argument seems to be about money. Personally, i preferred the competitive nature of football when finance had less of an influence. To be honest, i assumed a man of your vintage would get that.
Suspect Infantino might be keen on your idea. |
Yes, but we are where we are. I don’t like how the Premier League is structured, but it is what it is and I still want us in it. You have to move with the times and what is. I’m sure a person of your obvious youth understands that viewpoint, even if you don’t agree with it.
The reality is the FIFA suits want to expand the game. Great, but the tv and money comes from a relatively small number of countries and always will.
If people have got a better suggestion about how to get around season interrupting pointless games, I’d be interested to hear them.
Another idea might be okay all the qualifiers at the end of one season and the two tournaments the next and bin waste of time competitions. | | | |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 20:45 - Nov 16 with 241 views | vapour_trail |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 20:33 - Nov 16 by Churchman |
Yes, but we are where we are. I don’t like how the Premier League is structured, but it is what it is and I still want us in it. You have to move with the times and what is. I’m sure a person of your obvious youth understands that viewpoint, even if you don’t agree with it.
The reality is the FIFA suits want to expand the game. Great, but the tv and money comes from a relatively small number of countries and always will.
If people have got a better suggestion about how to get around season interrupting pointless games, I’d be interested to hear them.
Another idea might be okay all the qualifiers at the end of one season and the two tournaments the next and bin waste of time competitions. |
Think we will have to agree to differ, churchman.
Thank you for recognising my obvious youth though. That has brightened my Sunday evening. | |
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 21:01 - Nov 16 with 221 views | MattinLondon |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 20:33 - Nov 16 by Churchman |
Yes, but we are where we are. I don’t like how the Premier League is structured, but it is what it is and I still want us in it. You have to move with the times and what is. I’m sure a person of your obvious youth understands that viewpoint, even if you don’t agree with it.
The reality is the FIFA suits want to expand the game. Great, but the tv and money comes from a relatively small number of countries and always will.
If people have got a better suggestion about how to get around season interrupting pointless games, I’d be interested to hear them.
Another idea might be okay all the qualifiers at the end of one season and the two tournaments the next and bin waste of time competitions. |
I don’t particularly like your idea but possibly a pre-qualifying rounds will work. A bit like the FA Cup, the lowest ranked nations face off in a couple pre-qualifying rounds before the bigger nations come into play. |  | | |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 21:18 - Nov 16 with 205 views | vapour_trail |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 21:01 - Nov 16 by MattinLondon |
I don’t particularly like your idea but possibly a pre-qualifying rounds will work. A bit like the FA Cup, the lowest ranked nations face off in a couple pre-qualifying rounds before the bigger nations come into play. |
That already exists in much of the world. Think it’s just Europe and South America where that’s not the case. | |
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 22:40 - Nov 16 with 160 views | ClareBlue |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 18:48 - Nov 16 by vapour_trail |
This is possibly the worst idea ever. |
Works for Eurovision.
Those that finance it automatically qualify, the rest have to go through qualifying. What's good for Eurovision is surely good enough for the football world cup. |  | | |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 22:44 - Nov 16 with 155 views | Zx1988 |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 22:40 - Nov 16 by ClareBlue |
Works for Eurovision.
Those that finance it automatically qualify, the rest have to go through qualifying. What's good for Eurovision is surely good enough for the football world cup. |
So, essentially, something along the lines of the eight countries whose broadcasters pay the most for broadcast rights will secure automatic qualification for their country's team (and potentially a seeding)?
I look forward the the groups at WC30 being headed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, China, USA, Russia, and India. [Post edited 16 Nov 22:47]
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 22:52 - Nov 16 with 138 views | vapour_trail |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 22:44 - Nov 16 by Zx1988 |
So, essentially, something along the lines of the eight countries whose broadcasters pay the most for broadcast rights will secure automatic qualification for their country's team (and potentially a seeding)?
I look forward the the groups at WC30 being headed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, China, USA, Russia, and India. [Post edited 16 Nov 22:47]
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Exactly this.
The opposite of what sport should be.
And @clare blue. I hate the fecking eurovision. | |
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 23:10 - Nov 16 with 114 views | ClareBlue |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 22:52 - Nov 16 by vapour_trail |
Exactly this.
The opposite of what sport should be.
And @clare blue. I hate the fecking eurovision. |
And we can also using the expanded definition of Euro that Eurovision use and include any country that pays enough to be part of the qualifiers. Australia, for example. Basically anyone that has the cash. It could work like the Duckworth Lewis method to decide groups of countries to qualify based on financial contributions against population. I'm thinking we could call it the Sepp-Blatter index. There would obviously be bonus index points for excessively 'funding' administration and paying for 'consultancy'.
I think I've seen the future of International football competitions. | | | |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 23:30 - Nov 16 with 94 views | vapour_trail |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 23:10 - Nov 16 by ClareBlue |
And we can also using the expanded definition of Euro that Eurovision use and include any country that pays enough to be part of the qualifiers. Australia, for example. Basically anyone that has the cash. It could work like the Duckworth Lewis method to decide groups of countries to qualify based on financial contributions against population. I'm thinking we could call it the Sepp-Blatter index. There would obviously be bonus index points for excessively 'funding' administration and paying for 'consultancy'.
I think I've seen the future of International football competitions. |
You’re onto something here.
Additional qualification points for nations with state funded broadcasters who provide official sponsorship and coverage of the event seems sensible.
Ticketing allocation prioritised for flagshaggers would probably work.
I’m in. | |
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| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 09:43 - Nov 17 with 27 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Does anyone understand the qualifying process in Europe on 18:47 - Nov 16 by Churchman |
I’d exempt the ‘big’ teams from playing qualifiers and do straight mini leagues for the rest. That way you wouldn’t have to mess about with the domestic league season which is what after all pays the bills. Englands qualifiers? Total waste of time. Who would I include?
Argentina
Brazil
Germany
Italy
France
Spain
England
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It's an interesting idea not entirely without validity given how sprawling Europen qualification has become. 16 out of 55, some of whom stand no chance. Perhaps sides who have, say, qualified three times on the trot can get one automatic qualification. It might be more sensible for some of the smaller ones to have a preliminary round, like in the FA cup. We didn't give up the home internationals to watch us play Montenegro |  | | |
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