| Mcateer. 18:46 - Nov 23 with 3191 views | FrimleyBlue |
Just home after a day party so haven't had time to ask until now.
But can someone who knows more about him advise what potential is in mcateer for us to spend 12 mill on him.
From what ive seen of him. He can't shoot. Can't beat a man. Can't pass and crosses without looking up.
Is he just having a poor spell the past 12 months and needs to find himself as all we seem to be getting is the poor player leicester fans told us he was when he joined.
Think potentially is he like an outfield muric.. has the ingredients of a highly talented player but he won't ever really reach high levels of quality?
Im just really miffed so far for a manager who coached some of the world's top youngsters and developed the likes of hutch last season. What has he seen in mcateer that we haven't. |  |
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| Mcateer. on 21:58 - Nov 23 with 590 views | sundayroast |
| Mcateer. on 21:45 - Nov 23 by itfcsuth |
Philogene and Clarke came good?
Steady on a little, whilst they’ve showed good moments at this level, which you’d hope since we’ve had to drop down a division for them to show the moment.
Saying they’ve come good is probably stretching it at the moment, need far more consistently from both of them. |
One cost £20m the other £15m… they should have goals AND assists to their name, and be putting in 8/9 out of 10’s weekly
The standards people have seem to have dropped so much |  | | |
| Mcateer. on 22:00 - Nov 23 with 585 views | itfcsuth |
| Mcateer. on 21:58 - Nov 23 by sundayroast |
One cost £20m the other £15m… they should have goals AND assists to their name, and be putting in 8/9 out of 10’s weekly
The standards people have seem to have dropped so much |
Agree.
Goals numbers are on the face of it are ok, but I put much more weight on performance levels and team contributions, not basic stats.
If you watch the games and watch their overall performance levels, the pair are still a long way off what you would want to see for £15m players in the Championship.
To say they’ve come good is sensational delusion. |  | | |
| Mcateer. on 22:03 - Nov 23 with 576 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Mcateer. on 21:51 - Nov 23 by itfcsuth |
Yes, the club is incompetent when dealing with large transfer fees, that’s fairly evident.
It was £12m guranteed with over £3m in adds one, as reported by David Ornstein.
Direct quote from Leicester forum. “Good luck to Kasey, but £12m in our position is a no brained for a player who is miles off the ability of other RW at the club. Can’t believe the club have managed to make a sensible decision.” [Post edited 23 Nov 21:55]
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Depends how you define incompetence. Is it signing a player who then subjectively isn’t viewed as worth the fee, or is failing to sign a player because we don’t have the financial clout? We had loads of the latter under Evans, so securing most of our targets could also be viewed as a good thing even if we pay top whack to land them. We’ll never know the true financial success of a signing until they’ve been here long enough to deliver success on the pitch, move on for a fee or fail and end up being released on a free. |  |
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| Mcateer. on 22:04 - Nov 23 with 572 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mcateer. on 21:51 - Nov 23 by itfcsuth |
Yes, the club is incompetent when dealing with large transfer fees, that’s fairly evident.
It was £12m guranteed with over £3m in adds one, as reported by David Ornstein.
Direct quote from Leicester forum. “Good luck to Kasey, but £12m in our position is a no brained for a player who is miles off the ability of other RW at the club. Can’t believe the club have managed to make a sensible decision.” [Post edited 23 Nov 21:55]
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Other reports speculate (and none are more than that) a deal phased over 3 years of equal payments, with top ups added to that to reach £12M. We’ve also heard a number of people on here with contacts close to the club saying we paid nowhere near the £12M reported.
So all inconclusive, but people taking £12M paid out as a big part of the relative value are basing their argument on nothing very substantial. | | | |
| Mcateer. on 22:36 - Nov 23 with 494 views | waveneyblue |
| Mcateer. on 20:47 - Nov 23 by ArnieM |
You must NEVER under any circumstances hold a different view or opinion to the self appointed forum police....for those, please see the down voters of the original post, (all on my blocked list BTW, so I dont see their comments anymore. One of them is slipping though becuase hes normally always the first to down vote, bless him. I'll put money on it they all text each other, giving each other the heads up.  |
Have a look at SomethingBlue's post.
They are knowledgeable and write about sport for a living.
You pop on here regularly spouting negative drivel.
I know whose opinion I listen to (clue its not yours) |  | | |
| Mcateer. on 22:59 - Nov 23 with 471 views | HighgateBlue |
| Mcateer. on 21:49 - Nov 23 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The primary premise for this post, and so many others regarding McAteer, relate to whether or not he is worth £12M. The fee structure was not announced, but general indications are that we paid a fraction of that up front, with addons on top of that. So maybe £2-3M paid so far, with more to follow.
So, does McAteer bring anything as a squad player, with that as context. I’d say yes, and if KmK can improve him, even better.
For me it’s bizarre that people get so hung up on these ‘undisclosed’ transfer fees - do they truly think the club is that incompetent. |
On 22 August, the TWTD news story said:
"The fee is understood to be £11.5 million plus add-ons with the player having signed a four-year deal."
The fee was undisclosed, and you criticise others for accepting that it was £12m, which is a figure that has been quoted, yes albeit including add-ons. And yet you cite "general indications" and then totally speculate on £2m - £3m which is a figure that has been reported precisely nowhere. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
As far as I'm concerned, if he was free, he's still not worth a place on the pitch.
Unless he's bagged us a few "undisclosed" goals, it's not his fee that worries me the most (as scandalous as that was). It's more of a barn door/ banjo interface problem. |  | | |
| Mcateer. on 22:59 - Nov 23 with 468 views | itfcsuth |
| Mcateer. on 22:03 - Nov 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Depends how you define incompetence. Is it signing a player who then subjectively isn’t viewed as worth the fee, or is failing to sign a player because we don’t have the financial clout? We had loads of the latter under Evans, so securing most of our targets could also be viewed as a good thing even if we pay top whack to land them. We’ll never know the true financial success of a signing until they’ve been here long enough to deliver success on the pitch, move on for a fee or fail and end up being released on a free. |
I don’t think there is any need to overcomplicate it competence here.
Is the player in question worth the fee that they were bought in for, it doesn’t need to take 6/12/18 months to spot a player capability.
You can usually get a pretty good sense of it pretty quickly. | | | |
| Mcateer. on 23:23 - Nov 23 with 446 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mcateer. on 22:59 - Nov 23 by HighgateBlue |
On 22 August, the TWTD news story said:
"The fee is understood to be £11.5 million plus add-ons with the player having signed a four-year deal."
The fee was undisclosed, and you criticise others for accepting that it was £12m, which is a figure that has been quoted, yes albeit including add-ons. And yet you cite "general indications" and then totally speculate on £2m - £3m which is a figure that has been reported precisely nowhere. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
As far as I'm concerned, if he was free, he's still not worth a place on the pitch.
Unless he's bagged us a few "undisclosed" goals, it's not his fee that worries me the most (as scandalous as that was). It's more of a barn door/ banjo interface problem. |
I explicitly said it was inconclusive, including my speculation on what the initially fee may have been, but my figure is based on other reports of the ‘understood’ details.
The Athletic reported “ A fee of £12m will be paid over three years with add-ons. McAteer is set to sign a contract with ITFC until 2029 having already completed a medical as Ipswich Town transfers start to ramp up.”.
If the £12M includes addons, then the figure spread over 3 years is less, hence £2-3M paid out initially, depending on the value of the addons. So I stand by my ‘challenge’ (not criticism) to those saying we’ve sunk £12 on McAteer already. We just don’t know the details of the deal. | | | |
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| Mcateer. on 23:33 - Nov 23 with 427 views | itfcsuth |
| Mcateer. on 23:23 - Nov 23 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I explicitly said it was inconclusive, including my speculation on what the initially fee may have been, but my figure is based on other reports of the ‘understood’ details.
The Athletic reported “ A fee of £12m will be paid over three years with add-ons. McAteer is set to sign a contract with ITFC until 2029 having already completed a medical as Ipswich Town transfers start to ramp up.”.
If the £12M includes addons, then the figure spread over 3 years is less, hence £2-3M paid out initially, depending on the value of the addons. So I stand by my ‘challenge’ (not criticism) to those saying we’ve sunk £12 on McAteer already. We just don’t know the details of the deal. |
Most if not all reputable journalists have reported the fee between £11.5m-£12m.
Leicester used the guranteed fees due from us of a further £4m in two instalments to acquire a bank loan just last month, in addition to the initial £4m up front.
The bank loan Leicester took out allows you to see how the deal was structured. £12m split over 3 £4m guranteed payments.
So in short, yea we have sunk £12m on McAteer (as a minimum).
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-1 [Post edited 23 Nov 23:34]
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| Mcateer. on 23:41 - Nov 23 with 404 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mcateer. on 22:59 - Nov 23 by HighgateBlue |
On 22 August, the TWTD news story said:
"The fee is understood to be £11.5 million plus add-ons with the player having signed a four-year deal."
The fee was undisclosed, and you criticise others for accepting that it was £12m, which is a figure that has been quoted, yes albeit including add-ons. And yet you cite "general indications" and then totally speculate on £2m - £3m which is a figure that has been reported precisely nowhere. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
As far as I'm concerned, if he was free, he's still not worth a place on the pitch.
Unless he's bagged us a few "undisclosed" goals, it's not his fee that worries me the most (as scandalous as that was). It's more of a barn door/ banjo interface problem. |
The reason I mentioned the fee in the op was that it it imo a substantial amount of money on a player who was only getting bench time and hadn't had that great of mentions from his fans at the time of being linked. I think personally its ok to ask what is it that km sees in him to sign off such a signing. If It was indeed a 2 mill squad transfer you'd see it as a cheap squad player punt. And sure if we were a prem side then yeah 12 mill becomes a cheap punt if you're a stable one. But as a recently relegated side 12 mill is quite a hefty signing regardless of how that deal is spread out. | |
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| Mcateer. on 23:44 - Nov 23 with 398 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mcateer. on 23:33 - Nov 23 by itfcsuth |
Most if not all reputable journalists have reported the fee between £11.5m-£12m.
Leicester used the guranteed fees due from us of a further £4m in two instalments to acquire a bank loan just last month, in addition to the initial £4m up front.
The bank loan Leicester took out allows you to see how the deal was structured. £12m split over 3 £4m guranteed payments.
So in short, yea we have sunk £12m on McAteer (as a minimum).
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-1 [Post edited 23 Nov 23:34]
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Which is similarly structured to what I suggested, although £4M initially rather than £2-3M (I’d assumed it wouldn’t include the addons, and that they’d be incrementally paid when hit). | | | |
| Mcateer. on 23:49 - Nov 23 with 390 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Mcateer. on 23:41 - Nov 23 by FrimleyBlue |
The reason I mentioned the fee in the op was that it it imo a substantial amount of money on a player who was only getting bench time and hadn't had that great of mentions from his fans at the time of being linked. I think personally its ok to ask what is it that km sees in him to sign off such a signing. If It was indeed a 2 mill squad transfer you'd see it as a cheap squad player punt. And sure if we were a prem side then yeah 12 mill becomes a cheap punt if you're a stable one. But as a recently relegated side 12 mill is quite a hefty signing regardless of how that deal is spread out. |
That is however the crux of my point - with the phased payments it’s £4M this FY. As others have pointed out, the value of that will not be clear until we had his services for at least 1 season (overall contribution), and ultimately when we sell him (what return we get). | | | |
| Mcateer. on 23:54 - Nov 23 with 385 views | sundayroast |
| Mcateer. on 22:36 - Nov 23 by waveneyblue |
Have a look at SomethingBlue's post.
They are knowledgeable and write about sport for a living.
You pop on here regularly spouting negative drivel.
I know whose opinion I listen to (clue its not yours) |
So the only people worth listening to are those that write about sport as a job?
Pointless you coming on here, you’d be better off just reading said persons columns | | | |
| Mcateer. on 10:38 - Nov 24 with 261 views | waveneyblue |
| Mcateer. on 23:54 - Nov 23 by sundayroast |
So the only people worth listening to are those that write about sport as a job?
Pointless you coming on here, you’d be better off just reading said persons columns |
Thats not what I said though is it poppet?
You silly thing 🙄 | | | |
| Mcateer. on 10:43 - Nov 24 with 257 views | gsoly |
Genuine answer: believe his underlying numbers at Leicester were excellent and his stats wheel compares favourably with some of the best right forwards around. If he can convert that into end product, there's a very effective player there. But... my word he fails the eye test. |  | | |
| Mcateer. on 11:03 - Nov 24 with 232 views | rickw |
His biggest issue is the price - which we vastly overpaid for him Leicester fans said so at the time too. If we'd have paid 2m for him it would have been clear he's come in as cover while Burns and Ogbone get fit, but it appears we accidently added another 1 to the price and therefore the expectations outweigh his current ability.
Hopefully McKenna can work on him and he becomes a decent player, I doubt he'll ever be worth 12m though... |  |
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| Mcateer. on 11:08 - Nov 24 with 225 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Mcateer. on 10:43 - Nov 24 by gsoly |
Genuine answer: believe his underlying numbers at Leicester were excellent and his stats wheel compares favourably with some of the best right forwards around. If he can convert that into end product, there's a very effective player there. But... my word he fails the eye test. |
At Leicester. He was very good at making runs in behind to space from the right wing, to then produce assists and goals, and this was effective under Maresca because LCFC were good at keeping the ball and probing with players able to see those passes (winks, dewsbury-hall even vestergaard at times). He has also been an extremely hard worker and team player and never stops running. It's not as if he offers nothing whatsoever.
But he soon lost his place in the team because of his extremely subpar technical ability. Poor ability to control the ball, often moves broke down when the ball came to mcateer and it seemed that the team picked up in this and avoided passing to him. so what would happen is he would be fairly uninvolved in build up but then often making the final run to break lines which was a bit bizarre as a right winger and even more so as we already had Vardy doing the same. On top of this when receiving the ball with a defender in front of him he's never had the guile to beat them and just passed back inside to a midfielder- totally counter productive for a winger. And on top of that utterly one footed, as we saw from his woeful attempt to score with his left at the weekend.
So basically his limitations in his technical ability have overshadowed his qualities and that's what we're seeing play out at Town. I don't think it's dissimilar to what we saw from Kayden Jackson in that regard
yes he can be coached to improve his all round game but I'm not sure that even Kierans expert coaching can bring him on technically to the level that he will be able to be effective in this team never mind looking like a £12 million player |  | | |
| Mcateer. on 11:09 - Nov 24 with 225 views | IpswichTownBlue |
| Mcateer. on 19:03 - Nov 23 by jasondozzell |
He's just the latest scapegoat from a support that is quickly revealing itself to have really soured and become quite nasty really.
All the complaints are similar to those levelled at Clarke, Jaden etc.
God forbid we give a player time.
Who is the best judge of a player? Boo boys or KM? |
Fans are allowed opinions though right? I don't think its totally unreasonable to raise the question about McAteer. There's not much to be enthused about and we're at the end of November.
This isn't Sunday league football- to expect some some of standard from a Championship footballer isn't being harsh. If i'm not performing in my job i'll likely get criticized to some capacity like many others. Its nothing personal to the lad, its the realities that come with being a professional footballer unfortunately. | | | |
| Mcateer. on 13:46 - Nov 24 with 143 views | Radlett_blue |
| Mcateer. on 19:11 - Nov 23 by FrimleyBlue |
I dont see how they compare with philogene and clarke tbh
Clarke came to us as a top champ player chucked in at prem level
Philogene came in after a want him didnt sign him then got him. At prem level got injured and now hes hit and miss but we know what hes strong points are.
Your last point. KM hasn't had 100% positives with his signings. It happens.
But you've not answered my OP either. Im asking what is the potential with mcateer that we havent seen yet. I dont see how that is being sour and nasty. How many appearences can a player have before you're allowed to discuss them? |
McAteer came to us as a fringe player from Leicester & from what I've seen that's all he is so it was amazing we saw fit to pay such a huge fee. He's 24 as well so not some kid who has bags of potential, like Walle.
My Leicester supporting mate couldn't believe what we paid for him. |  |
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