| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? 13:04 - Dec 15 with 2119 views | Wright1 |
I'm not saying this in a digging out our players way... more ina our team is fine but there are lots of good teams out there kind of way. Maybe our advantage isn't what we've been led to believe.
For example, whilst it doesn't have age on its side, I was taken back by the names and the pedigree when the Leicester team was announced at the weekend. Ricardo might have been the best RB in the premier league at one point. Vestergaard has pedigree at Bundesliga and PL level. You could certainly make an argument for any of there front 6 getting in our team - the wingers are exciting and Cordova-Reid and Ayew are PL performers. |  | | |  |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:13 - Dec 15 with 389 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:01 - Dec 15 by Bigalhunter |
I agree, KM and MA have made no such claim.
A number of our more vocally positive fans on here last season were suggesting that with Sczmodics, Clarke, Philogene & Hirst all having carved up the goal scoring charts last time they were at this level and added to Akpom’s one great season at Boro, we’d be a terrifying proposition for Championship defences as they had a combined total of 100+ goals between them.
Greaves would be great at this level, Palmer is a golden glove waiting to happen, Cajuste will be unplayable, Leif will creating goals for fun….
That awful term ‘Cheat codes’ was thrown about an awful lot.. [Post edited 15 Dec 21:41]
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You say it like it was a town fan thing
Every game we played before October all commentators raved about our striking power. We were favourites because of our spending and because of how those players were rated |  |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:47 - Dec 15 with 364 views | Bigalhunter |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:13 - Dec 15 by FrimleyBlue |
You say it like it was a town fan thing
Every game we played before October all commentators raved about our striking power. We were favourites because of our spending and because of how those players were rated |
Sky commentators are there purely to hype everything up. Let’s not pretend they’re an authority on anything.
Sports columnists in the newsprint media also just parp out any old lazy nonsense based on little or no research. |  |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:51 - Dec 15 with 359 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:47 - Dec 15 by Bigalhunter |
Sky commentators are there purely to hype everything up. Let’s not pretend they’re an authority on anything.
Sports columnists in the newsprint media also just parp out any old lazy nonsense based on little or no research. |
So commentators. Bet firms. Journos Including the eadt. Everyone just parped out nonsense. Interesting view. | |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 23:10 - Dec 15 with 325 views | Bigalhunter |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 21:51 - Dec 15 by FrimleyBlue |
So commentators. Bet firms. Journos Including the eadt. Everyone just parped out nonsense. Interesting view. |
Betting firms will always make one of the relegated teams favourite to go back up.
Leicester weren’t installed as favourites because of the likelihood of a points deduction and their managerial churn.
Southampton weren’t installed as favourites because they were even worse than us last season and also their managerial churn.
We were seen as the least unstable and likely to spend the most money again.
It was nothing more insightful than that. | |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 06:46 - Dec 16 with 297 views | Blue_Heath |
On paper, in terms of what has been spent it should be a super team, most expensive player and most expensive squad ever in this league. Clarke and Philly on left wing this team, sorry collection should be ripping it up.
However, we are not a 'team', have no leadership, one style of play and no idea who the best 11 is. Players like £35k a week Johnson who can't even get of the bench, £15m Greaves who plays the odd game, and a shed load of goals in Akpom and Smzodics who we can't get to score.
Yes Leicester have some great players although Ricardo has had some bad injuries but Decordova Reid is quality as you say.
The bottom line is we are underperforming and have spent £250m to assemble a team that has in my view very few if any genuine PL quality players in it.
In my mind even getting second would be failure although obviously I would take it.
My big concern is we are aspiring to be a premier league team, we did appallingly last time out and this 'team' is even worse. Assuming we do go up, we rip the team up again and hope it works. It hasn't for the last year and a half or stick with a team and end up like Wolves with 2 points by xmas.
Two things need to change, recruitment needs to be based on who suits the way we are going to play and also recruit a squad that is balanced. Secondly we need KM to find something new his football has been worked out by any manager worth their salt and he needs to find a new way of playing. Several options spring to mind e.g. 5 at the back, 3 in midfield, Cajuste in the 10, Akpom up front, even 2 up front, the options are endless but he quickly needs to find one that works. | |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 07:15 - Dec 16 with 289 views | Chrisd |
The money we have spent on this squad we should be performing far better than we are. Have Millwall and Preston got better squads than us? Not for me, yet we find ourselves behind them both in the table after a good amount of games. We lack consistency and perhaps with the number of additions we have made it is taking time, but other teams have also made changes with their squads yet performing better with much less spent on their players. Something isn’t right with us and I must say this season I rarely go into games thinking we’ll confidently get the job done, I just don’t believe we’ve been that convincing fullstop. Let’s be realistic, although we are 5th, we’re 4pts off 12th!!! I’m sure our owners would be expecting far better for their financial return from what has been delivered so far by us? | |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 07:20 - Dec 16 with 283 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 06:46 - Dec 16 by Blue_Heath |
On paper, in terms of what has been spent it should be a super team, most expensive player and most expensive squad ever in this league. Clarke and Philly on left wing this team, sorry collection should be ripping it up.
However, we are not a 'team', have no leadership, one style of play and no idea who the best 11 is. Players like £35k a week Johnson who can't even get of the bench, £15m Greaves who plays the odd game, and a shed load of goals in Akpom and Smzodics who we can't get to score.
Yes Leicester have some great players although Ricardo has had some bad injuries but Decordova Reid is quality as you say.
The bottom line is we are underperforming and have spent £250m to assemble a team that has in my view very few if any genuine PL quality players in it.
In my mind even getting second would be failure although obviously I would take it.
My big concern is we are aspiring to be a premier league team, we did appallingly last time out and this 'team' is even worse. Assuming we do go up, we rip the team up again and hope it works. It hasn't for the last year and a half or stick with a team and end up like Wolves with 2 points by xmas.
Two things need to change, recruitment needs to be based on who suits the way we are going to play and also recruit a squad that is balanced. Secondly we need KM to find something new his football has been worked out by any manager worth their salt and he needs to find a new way of playing. Several options spring to mind e.g. 5 at the back, 3 in midfield, Cajuste in the 10, Akpom up front, even 2 up front, the options are endless but he quickly needs to find one that works. |
I agree with some of what you say there, especially the team element (we are a team that is less than the sum of its parts instead of more than). However, there does need to be balance with the foundations. 3 years ago we were freshly promoted from League 1 having been there for 4 seasons. The foundations that all of the top half of the table had at that stage were stronger than ours. Of course, we have gained Prem money and bought players but our starting point wasn't as strong. Of course, the squad we had at that team involved a team that was very much more than the sum of its parts.
What we really need is to build the solid foundations that our recent history should allow us to do. But we need to also recognise that recent history gives other clubs very good foundations to build on too. |  |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 07:31 - Dec 16 with 273 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
The "super team" narrative is a media thing, but it does speak to a truth in that we've spent vast sums on players that have performed well in the Championship previously. The parachute money is a significant advantage and we've spent a lot of it on players from a league where fees are known to be inflated. Whether that is because of our lack of scouting/transfer infrastructure or something else, I'm not sure. | | | |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 10:30 - Dec 16 with 227 views | Devereuxxx |
I've heard this phrase thrown around, usually flippantly by Championship podcasts as it's a good soundbite.
I find it interesting that the players we signed who were standout Championship performers were almost all lauded for individual performances/stats rather than anything team related. Clarke, Szmodics, Akpom, Greaves, Philogene all had very impressive stats but were standouts in teams who were largely ineffective. No promotions between them. Sunderland and Boro got in the playoffs but that's about it.
Now the challenge is moulding those standout performers into a more cohesive team where they are no longer a big fish in a small pond. And it's not going particularly well. |  | | |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 15:46 - Dec 16 with 190 views | Wright1 |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 06:46 - Dec 16 by Blue_Heath |
On paper, in terms of what has been spent it should be a super team, most expensive player and most expensive squad ever in this league. Clarke and Philly on left wing this team, sorry collection should be ripping it up.
However, we are not a 'team', have no leadership, one style of play and no idea who the best 11 is. Players like £35k a week Johnson who can't even get of the bench, £15m Greaves who plays the odd game, and a shed load of goals in Akpom and Smzodics who we can't get to score.
Yes Leicester have some great players although Ricardo has had some bad injuries but Decordova Reid is quality as you say.
The bottom line is we are underperforming and have spent £250m to assemble a team that has in my view very few if any genuine PL quality players in it.
In my mind even getting second would be failure although obviously I would take it.
My big concern is we are aspiring to be a premier league team, we did appallingly last time out and this 'team' is even worse. Assuming we do go up, we rip the team up again and hope it works. It hasn't for the last year and a half or stick with a team and end up like Wolves with 2 points by xmas.
Two things need to change, recruitment needs to be based on who suits the way we are going to play and also recruit a squad that is balanced. Secondly we need KM to find something new his football has been worked out by any manager worth their salt and he needs to find a new way of playing. Several options spring to mind e.g. 5 at the back, 3 in midfield, Cajuste in the 10, Akpom up front, even 2 up front, the options are endless but he quickly needs to find one that works. |
Why would we play 5 at the back? What problem are you targeting with that? We have the joint second best defence in the league - so another centre half seems unnecessary.
Matusiwa, Taylor and Nunez play most games - we are already playing 3 in midfield.
Cajuste has almost no goal threat and i've not seen much evidence he is a creative passer - I think he's a terrible fit for the 10 role.
Akpom upfront - yeah fair enough we could and maybe should try that more. | | | |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 17:07 - Dec 16 with 160 views | Blue_Heath |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 15:46 - Dec 16 by Wright1 |
Why would we play 5 at the back? What problem are you targeting with that? We have the joint second best defence in the league - so another centre half seems unnecessary.
Matusiwa, Taylor and Nunez play most games - we are already playing 3 in midfield.
Cajuste has almost no goal threat and i've not seen much evidence he is a creative passer - I think he's a terrible fit for the 10 role.
Akpom upfront - yeah fair enough we could and maybe should try that more. |
Just a suggestion but maybe a way that we need to play if we go up?
Just suggestions not saying they are necessarily the answers. | |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 18:17 - Dec 16 with 148 views | grow_our_own |
Yeh our Championship 2023/24 team beats this one. Became quickly apparent this season that our favourite status was hyperbole. Based on appearances in each position, our 23/24 team was:
Hladky
Clarke Woolfenden Burgess Davis
Morsy Luongo
Burns/Hutchinson Chaplin Broadhead
Hirst
This season, it's:
Palmer
Furlong O'Shea Kipre Davis
Matusiwa Taylor
Egeli Nunez Philogene
Hirst
So, let's compare:
Hladky vs Palmer: Palmer wins on shot-stopping, Hladky on footwork and playing through press. Latter is very important in McKennaball. Jury is out. Can't judge Hladky's non-appearances since in other teams/styles of play IMO.
Clarke vs Furlong: Clarke for me. Offered much more going forwards, and only slightly less defensively.
O'Shea vs Woolfenden: O'Shea, although not by much. Woolfenden played through press better.
Kipre vs Burgess: Kipre better than Greaves this season, but even in the form he's in, I'd choose Burgess. Aerially Burgess slightly edges it, and he combined better with Davis et al being left footed.
Davis 23/24 vs Davis 25/26: Same, just as good. One of our few Prem quality players despite MoTD tear-downs.
Matusiwa vs Morsy: Morsy wins. Not now, but Morsy 23/24 was slightly better on the ball, had never say die leadership, and a few goals in him.
Luongo vs Taylor: Luongo. Luongo was selected ahead of Taylor then, and if he was still here and in that form, he would be now too. Much better on the ball, pass selector, and only slightly less combative.
Egeli vs Burns/Hutchinson: Either way Burns/Hutchinson are ahead. Either were PoTY contenders. Far more assists from both of them in particular. Egeli is catching up though.
Chaplin vs Nunez: Chaplin, just because in that team, or the best team combined of these two seasons, Chaplin fits better. Better pass selection, better shooting, better understanding of those around him, although Nunez wins on set pieces. Like Morsy, Chaplin's leadership factor difficult to quantify, but significant.
Broadhead vs Philogene: Philogene, but only just. Broadhead got slightly more assists than Jaden, but overall goal involvements and threat, Jaden just wins.
Hirst 23/24 vs Hirst 25/26: 23/24 Hirst, but despite his current detractors, not by much. I think Hirst is a better player now, but he gets far less service from the 10s behind him. Both wide players cut-in and shoot, don't cross. Feel like he's a better athlete now, but confidence in front of goal, and form generally was better in 23/24. Hirst is top of current Championship big chances missed table.
We've spent a lot of money, and ended-up with a worse team. Losing Hutchinson was pretty much enforced, but other than that, O'Shea and Philogene are the only def improvements for our > £100m net spend. Three poor transfer windows overall. [Post edited 17 Dec 15:57]
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 18:43 - Dec 16 with 129 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
We are somewhat overhyped based on the cost of the squad. However there’s a lot of rating Leicester players based off one game of worldies. Let’s be honest we are above them for a reason, they don’t even have an out and out striker, Ayew has done little all season and largely berated by their fans, he’s an old winger playing up front as they can’t spend on a Vardy replacement.
Not sure he gets in our team ahead of Jaden or Egeli based on his season so far. BDCR was poor last season and hardly torn up the Champ. They are players better than most in the league but I disagree they are better than what we have. We’ve been wildly inconsistent and so have Leicester (who’ve also lost more games than us).
Balanced take is they were better on the day, but certainly don’t have the depth of our squad - most of their bench is kids. | | | |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 18:45 - Dec 16 with 125 views | Radlett_blue |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 18:17 - Dec 16 by grow_our_own |
Yeh our Championship 2023/24 team beats this one. Became quickly apparent this season that our favourite status was hyperbole. Based on appearances in each position, our 23/24 team was:
Hladky
Clarke Woolfenden Burgess Davis
Morsy Luongo
Burns/Hutchinson Chaplin Broadhead
Hirst
This season, it's:
Palmer
Furlong O'Shea Kipre Davis
Matusiwa Taylor
Egeli Nunez Philogene
Hirst
So, let's compare:
Hladky vs Palmer: Palmer wins on shot-stopping, Hladky on footwork and playing through press. Latter is very important in McKennaball. Jury is out. Can't judge Hladky's non-appearances since in other teams/styles of play IMO.
Clarke vs Furlong: Clarke for me. Offered much more going forwards, and only slightly less defensively.
O'Shea vs Woolfenden: O'Shea, although not by much. Woolfenden played through press better.
Kipre vs Burgess: Kipre better than Greaves this season, but even in the form he's in, I'd choose Burgess. Aerially Burgess slightly edges it, and he combined better with Davis et al being left footed.
Davis 23/24 vs Davis 25/26: Same, just as good. One of our few Prem quality players despite MoTD tear-downs.
Matusiwa vs Morsy: Morsy wins. Not now, but Morsy 23/24 was slightly better on the ball, had never say die leadership, and a few goals in him.
Luongo vs Taylor: Luongo. Luongo was selected ahead of Taylor then, and if he was still here and in that form, he would be now too. Much better on the ball, pass selector, and only slightly less combative.
Egeli vs Burns/Hutchinson: Either way Burns/Hutchinson are ahead. Either were PoTY contenders. Far more assists from both of them in particular. Egeli is catching up though.
Chaplin vs Nunez: Chaplin, just because in that team, or the best team combined of these two seasons, Chaplin fits better. Better pass selection, better shooting, better understanding of those around him, although Nunez wins on set pieces. Like Morsy, Chaplin's leadership factor difficult to quantify, but significant.
Broadhead vs Philogene: Philogene, but only just. Broadhead got slightly more assists than Jaden, but overall goal involvements and threat, Jaden just wins.
Hirst 23/24 vs Hirst 25/26: 23/24 Hirst, but despite his current detractors, not by much. I think Hirst is a better player now, but he gets far less service from the 10s behind him. Both wide players cut-in and shoot, don't cross. Feel like he's a better athlete now, but confidence in front of goal, and form generally was better in 23/24. Hirst is top of current Championship big chances missed table.
We've spent a lot of money, and ended-up with a worse team. Losing Hutchinson was pretty much enforced, but other than that, O'Shea and Philogene are the only def improvements for our > £100m net spend. Three poor transfer windows overall. [Post edited 17 Dec 15:57]
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I think your comparisons are hugely affected by the fact that the promotion winning team was a more effective unit, which made some average players look better than they were. |  |
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| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 20:34 - Dec 16 with 93 views | bournemouthblue |
| Is the "Championship super team" thing a bit overblown? on 15:46 - Dec 16 by Wright1 |
Why would we play 5 at the back? What problem are you targeting with that? We have the joint second best defence in the league - so another centre half seems unnecessary.
Matusiwa, Taylor and Nunez play most games - we are already playing 3 in midfield.
Cajuste has almost no goal threat and i've not seen much evidence he is a creative passer - I think he's a terrible fit for the 10 role.
Akpom upfront - yeah fair enough we could and maybe should try that more. |
Cajuste off the bench has looked more dangerous in recent weeks, he has the ability to play 10, whether he has the energy is a different question |  |
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