| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- 18:55 - Jan 4 with 5134 views | Libero |
who would fit our style of play, would be a potential step up if he moved to Ipswich, has experience in the Premier League (scored 10 in a very poor relegated side), is a good character and has proven he knows where the net is at every level he’s played-
Elijah Adebayo - Luton Town
I think he’s had some injury issues this season? But he’d be a great addition to the squad IMO and would help give some more proven firepower to our forward line, a similar level to Hirst, if not- potentially better! [Post edited 4 Jan 18:59]
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| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 10:47 - Jan 5 with 803 views | ReusersTown |
Tbh I see quite a lot of these type of posts pop up on the forum and i'm not sure why so many of our fans are insistent on shopping in the bargain basement bin still. We can reasonably aim much higher now. |  | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 10:54 - Jan 5 with 787 views | Libero |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 10:47 - Jan 5 by ReusersTown |
Tbh I see quite a lot of these type of posts pop up on the forum and i'm not sure why so many of our fans are insistent on shopping in the bargain basement bin still. We can reasonably aim much higher now. |
Who will be available in January that fulfils the specifications I’ve set out there, that you consider to be not ‘bargain basement’? | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 10:56 - Jan 5 with 777 views | Libero |
Have you watched him play? - even when playing up top he’s a deepl lying forward- he isn’t a man who leads the line.
No one’s doubting his goal scoring record or quality- just not sure he’s the centre forward we need- if we’re looking to strengthen in our 10 role then he’d be a potential option. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:25 - Jan 5 with 712 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 10:56 - Jan 5 by Libero |
Have you watched him play? - even when playing up top he’s a deepl lying forward- he isn’t a man who leads the line.
No one’s doubting his goal scoring record or quality- just not sure he’s the centre forward we need- if we’re looking to strengthen in our 10 role then he’d be a potential option. |
He plays as the most advanced player, ergo he is the centre forward. Might not play the role how you would like, but he is a striker not a 10. He does drop deep but he also gets on the end of balls into the box like a typical 9. Personally, I'd argue we actually need someone that can hold it and link play more than someone to 'lead the line'. It's hard for me to comprehend how Adebayo would make us a better or more successful team than Piroe. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:44 - Jan 5 with 686 views | Libero |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:25 - Jan 5 by tractorboy1978 |
He plays as the most advanced player, ergo he is the centre forward. Might not play the role how you would like, but he is a striker not a 10. He does drop deep but he also gets on the end of balls into the box like a typical 9. Personally, I'd argue we actually need someone that can hold it and link play more than someone to 'lead the line'. It's hard for me to comprehend how Adebayo would make us a better or more successful team than Piroe. |
Yes, he plays as a striker- in years gone by where there would be two central strikers one would usually adopt a slightly deeper position, this didn’t make them any less of a striker- however in the modern era, often, the players who would traditionally have played those roles now play in AMC or ‘number 10’ and still provide a goal threat.
There are examples where “the furthest player forward” technically is still a deep lying forward or 9, however in the system McKenna plays, that wouldn’t really work- so it’s not about me and my preferences…
I understand that you’re having a hard time comprehending how a player with a less impressive goal scoring record may end up offering the team more than shunting a player with a more impressive goal scoring record into a system/role that doesn’t suit.
Think about the potential knock on effect for Philogene, if positions he dangerous/goalscoring reguarly takes up in a traditional deep lying forward role, are suddenly occupied by Piroe…
a football team is an eco system- it’s not as simple as put the 11 best players out, there’s nuances and partnerships and everything you change has an equal/opposite reaction and effect on another department.
You mentioned Kieffer Moore before, who came in and did a great job in the same position and role as Hirst/Ladapo - he wasn’t as mobile or quick, but he commited to doing his best to fulfil the role and the likes of Burns, Chaplin and Broadhead all took on a little more work when he was on the field- thankfully it didn’t effect their game *too* much and any effect was negated by Moore’s goalscoring output.
Personally, I think Piroe in the centre forward role for us would cause too many functionally/systemic issues, but potentially in a number 10 it could work… [Post edited 5 Jan 11:47]
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| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:57 - Jan 5 with 649 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:44 - Jan 5 by Libero |
Yes, he plays as a striker- in years gone by where there would be two central strikers one would usually adopt a slightly deeper position, this didn’t make them any less of a striker- however in the modern era, often, the players who would traditionally have played those roles now play in AMC or ‘number 10’ and still provide a goal threat.
There are examples where “the furthest player forward” technically is still a deep lying forward or 9, however in the system McKenna plays, that wouldn’t really work- so it’s not about me and my preferences…
I understand that you’re having a hard time comprehending how a player with a less impressive goal scoring record may end up offering the team more than shunting a player with a more impressive goal scoring record into a system/role that doesn’t suit.
Think about the potential knock on effect for Philogene, if positions he dangerous/goalscoring reguarly takes up in a traditional deep lying forward role, are suddenly occupied by Piroe…
a football team is an eco system- it’s not as simple as put the 11 best players out, there’s nuances and partnerships and everything you change has an equal/opposite reaction and effect on another department.
You mentioned Kieffer Moore before, who came in and did a great job in the same position and role as Hirst/Ladapo - he wasn’t as mobile or quick, but he commited to doing his best to fulfil the role and the likes of Burns, Chaplin and Broadhead all took on a little more work when he was on the field- thankfully it didn’t effect their game *too* much and any effect was negated by Moore’s goalscoring output.
Personally, I think Piroe in the centre forward role for us would cause too many functionally/systemic issues, but potentially in a number 10 it could work… [Post edited 5 Jan 11:47]
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I do distinctly remember lots on here saying Moore didn't fit the system though. Seems to be this idea that we need Hirst and Hirst 2.0 and anything else won't work. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 12:59 - Jan 5 with 564 views | northstandwarky |
Kasper Høgh, would be available for 10m Euro, looks good. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 13:36 - Jan 5 with 519 views | Libero |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:57 - Jan 5 by tractorboy1978 |
I do distinctly remember lots on here saying Moore didn't fit the system though. Seems to be this idea that we need Hirst and Hirst 2.0 and anything else won't work. |
Yeah, well, your first mistake is taking seriously what ‘lots’ say on here 😂
While it’s true Moore was never going to be as dynamic in the press, it was never as dramatic a style difference as many percieved. | | | |
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| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 13:42 - Jan 5 with 503 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Found the option. Short term deal - extended if we go up.
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| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 13:43 - Jan 5 with 495 views | JakeITFC |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 11:57 - Jan 5 by tractorboy1978 |
I do distinctly remember lots on here saying Moore didn't fit the system though. Seems to be this idea that we need Hirst and Hirst 2.0 and anything else won't work. |
He didn't - which is why he got dropped for Al-Hamadi at times and Hirst came straight back in as soon as he was fit.
Moore scored some crucial goals and will be fondly remembered but it was very much a square peg in a round hole. |  | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 14:12 - Jan 5 with 430 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 13:43 - Jan 5 by JakeITFC |
He didn't - which is why he got dropped for Al-Hamadi at times and Hirst came straight back in as soon as he was fit.
Moore scored some crucial goals and will be fondly remembered but it was very much a square peg in a round hole. |
My point was that we signed a very effective player (for the level) and made it work. He was a different option that gave us a slightly different dimension. I don't necessarily think we need someone that is a like for like for Hirst. Especially if Hirst is fit and we have Azon too. Some different qualities/attributes might not be a bad thing.
I'd love us to sign a big upgrade that could step up to the Prem should we go up. Hopefully we can do that. But if it's a short term gun for hire on loan to get us out of this league, I think Piroe looks a strong option. [Post edited 5 Jan 14:14]
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| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 14:56 - Jan 5 with 388 views | Smoresy |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 13:43 - Jan 5 by JakeITFC |
He didn't - which is why he got dropped for Al-Hamadi at times and Hirst came straight back in as soon as he was fit.
Moore scored some crucial goals and will be fondly remembered but it was very much a square peg in a round hole. |
Personally thought the difference was exaggerated at the time, in first touch, link-up play. It cannoned off them both at times but far from always, for both. I saw Hirst as a bit better in some respects, Moore in others (aerial ability and finishing, in particular). I did favour Hirst but by a smaller margin than most.
Hirst came straight back in as soon as he was fit, against Hull, and scored. Then Moore was straight in next game against Coventry and scored himself. Moore was integral for me in our best spell that season, the 9 wins in 10, and I felt we squeezed every available minute out of him, given he arrived from a standing start and took his knocks. Recall McKenna often referencing his mentality, playing through fitness challenges, back issues, as we tried to keep the show on the road in the back end. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 15:11 - Jan 5 with 351 views | JakeITFC |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 14:56 - Jan 5 by Smoresy |
Personally thought the difference was exaggerated at the time, in first touch, link-up play. It cannoned off them both at times but far from always, for both. I saw Hirst as a bit better in some respects, Moore in others (aerial ability and finishing, in particular). I did favour Hirst but by a smaller margin than most.
Hirst came straight back in as soon as he was fit, against Hull, and scored. Then Moore was straight in next game against Coventry and scored himself. Moore was integral for me in our best spell that season, the 9 wins in 10, and I felt we squeezed every available minute out of him, given he arrived from a standing start and took his knocks. Recall McKenna often referencing his mentality, playing through fitness challenges, back issues, as we tried to keep the show on the road in the back end. |
I think we lost a lot of running threat in behind which made us easier to defend against and made the space congested for our most effective players behind the frontman.
To you and the other poster's point it didn't matter because it worked, he scored goals and we went up. I think we were in a bit more of a needs must scenario that January in that we didn't have a striker at all (and took a couple) and so I'd be more comfortable not signing a forward at all rather than going after any old forward. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 15:56 - Jan 5 with 279 views | Smoresy |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 15:11 - Jan 5 by JakeITFC |
I think we lost a lot of running threat in behind which made us easier to defend against and made the space congested for our most effective players behind the frontman.
To you and the other poster's point it didn't matter because it worked, he scored goals and we went up. I think we were in a bit more of a needs must scenario that January in that we didn't have a striker at all (and took a couple) and so I'd be more comfortable not signing a forward at all rather than going after any old forward. |
Doubtless you're right on the running threat, Hirst's mobility-cum-energy "for a big man" was his key asset imo. And doubtless Omari's progression was integral in the back end too, coinciding with Moore's involvement.
Personally again aha, felt Moore's own strengths compensated to a large degree for what was lost, in effectiveness if not in beauty. We swapped big & fast for very big, both providing a serious challenge for the CBs in their distinct ways. Mentioned in part because I thought Moore got an unduly low review back then, but also to further the idea that we worked well with a different striker in the past (though they shared an unmistakable physical presence). Wouldn't be averse to a shorter-term solution myself if we can't attract our main man this window, though I'm also one of those who voted for midfielders in Phil's latest poll so share your sense of not feeling desperate. | | | |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 18:31 - Jan 5 with 199 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| I’ve been trying to think of a reasonable option upfront- on 13:42 - Jan 5 by Matt_Netherlands |
Found the option. Short term deal - extended if we go up.
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Would be an interesting signing for sure, and he's been "decent enough" this term. Don't trust his injury record though and the money he'd want would make it difficult. |  |
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