| See the digital ID cards have finally 23:44 - Jan 13 with 891 views | bluelagos |
been ditched.
Good to see common sense prevailing. |  |
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 06:24 - Jan 14 with 756 views | RIPbobby |
Yes it would have cheesed off a lot of people and cost a fortune. Perhaps they have realised it would be very easy to hack and would benefit only the criminals. A bit like software when it came with dongles to protect them. Once people realised what key they generated then it was very easy to generate a work around that gave you full access to the application. |  | | |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 06:34 - Jan 14 with 723 views | Dubtractor |
Why do this government keep announcing terrible policy, only to end up reversing it when they finally realise what everyone else already knew.
They seem determined to keep shooting themselves in the foot. [Post edited 14 Jan 6:35]
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 07:40 - Jan 14 with 633 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 06:34 - Jan 14 by Dubtractor |
Why do this government keep announcing terrible policy, only to end up reversing it when they finally realise what everyone else already knew.
They seem determined to keep shooting themselves in the foot. [Post edited 14 Jan 6:35]
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Agreed, and given they were an absolute shoe-in to win power for quite some time, it’s incredible they appear to have been totally unprepared. Their economic policies are completely muddled, constantly talking about growth whilst on the other hand hammering SME’s with additional employment costs.
Digital ID I’m still baffled as to what the point of it was. Given their public rationale was to tackle illegal employment (which is utterly f**kwitted, as if the grey economy/unscrupulous employers would suddenly comply), it felt to me like government overreach*. I get that other countries have it, but many do not, and it was ‘solving’ an issue which didn’t exist. Cost estimates were creeping in excess of $2bn whilst the NHS continues to struggle with waiting lists and non-existent GP’s.
I felt optimistic for a new start after the last decade+ but they’ve been dreadful.
*Especially in conjunction with designating protesters as a terrorist groups and jailing pensioners, cancelling local elections, scrapping some jury trials, it’s the most authoritarian government in my lifetime. [Post edited 14 Jan 7:48]
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 08:29 - Jan 14 with 549 views | Guthrum |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 06:34 - Jan 14 by Dubtractor |
Why do this government keep announcing terrible policy, only to end up reversing it when they finally realise what everyone else already knew.
They seem determined to keep shooting themselves in the foot. [Post edited 14 Jan 6:35]
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Lack of political deftness, combined with advisors having bright ideas which aren't carefully enough thought through (or costed). Perhaps also an over-eagerness to announce policies - in order to appear dynamic and to drive media discourse at sensitive moments - thus giving hostages to fortune as circumstances or public opinion moves. |  |
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 08:38 - Jan 14 with 535 views | DarkBrandon |
There was (and is) a good case for digital ID cards, allowing a simple answer to the question "how do I prove I have the right to work in the UK".
Whether they wanted it for those reasons I'm sceptical, but it could help both business and individuals.
Fortunately removing the compulsion to sign up still allows them to be used for this so ... good? |  | | |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 08:42 - Jan 14 with 522 views | Pinewoodblue |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 07:40 - Jan 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Agreed, and given they were an absolute shoe-in to win power for quite some time, it’s incredible they appear to have been totally unprepared. Their economic policies are completely muddled, constantly talking about growth whilst on the other hand hammering SME’s with additional employment costs.
Digital ID I’m still baffled as to what the point of it was. Given their public rationale was to tackle illegal employment (which is utterly f**kwitted, as if the grey economy/unscrupulous employers would suddenly comply), it felt to me like government overreach*. I get that other countries have it, but many do not, and it was ‘solving’ an issue which didn’t exist. Cost estimates were creeping in excess of $2bn whilst the NHS continues to struggle with waiting lists and non-existent GP’s.
I felt optimistic for a new start after the last decade+ but they’ve been dreadful.
*Especially in conjunction with designating protesters as a terrorist groups and jailing pensioners, cancelling local elections, scrapping some jury trials, it’s the most authoritarian government in my lifetime. [Post edited 14 Jan 7:48]
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Congratulations you managed to get most of the worms in to one can.
It is hard to decide if we have a government that lacks conviction or one that simply lacks the courage necessary to carry it out. It was supposed to be time for a change but that seems to have got lost in the dithering,
It is almost as if they are scared of pushing voters towards Reform but everything they do has the opposite effect. |  |
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 09:13 - Jan 14 with 462 views | hype313 |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 08:38 - Jan 14 by DarkBrandon |
There was (and is) a good case for digital ID cards, allowing a simple answer to the question "how do I prove I have the right to work in the UK".
Whether they wanted it for those reasons I'm sceptical, but it could help both business and individuals.
Fortunately removing the compulsion to sign up still allows them to be used for this so ... good? |
"how do I prove I have the right to work in the UK".
Isn't that what NI number is for |  |
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 09:28 - Jan 14 with 425 views | DarkBrandon |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 09:13 - Jan 14 by hype313 |
"how do I prove I have the right to work in the UK".
Isn't that what NI number is for |
No. It is much more complicated than that.
Easy ways are if you have UK passport.
But plenty of people don't have a UK passport and work here quite legally. They then can apply for a UK passport after a few years.
But there are quite a lot of ways of proving you have the right to work in the UK, sometimes involving something as odd as a letter from the home office. Sometimes not. Some of these are easier for forge than others (obviously a passport is pretty difficult to forge).
The problem comes when you present these to an employer. The employer has to determine if these are genuine or not. How would they know? If they get it wrong they are liable for serious penalties for employing (even unknowingly) someone without the right to work here.
Isn't there a better way? Couldn't the government come up with some simple online database of people who have the right to work here? Then well meaning employers could identify the eligibility of non-Brits quickly and easily without exposing themselves to risk of prosecution, and employees could easily demonstrate they can work here. [Post edited 14 Jan 9:29]
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 10:39 - Jan 14 with 299 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 09:28 - Jan 14 by DarkBrandon |
No. It is much more complicated than that.
Easy ways are if you have UK passport.
But plenty of people don't have a UK passport and work here quite legally. They then can apply for a UK passport after a few years.
But there are quite a lot of ways of proving you have the right to work in the UK, sometimes involving something as odd as a letter from the home office. Sometimes not. Some of these are easier for forge than others (obviously a passport is pretty difficult to forge).
The problem comes when you present these to an employer. The employer has to determine if these are genuine or not. How would they know? If they get it wrong they are liable for serious penalties for employing (even unknowingly) someone without the right to work here.
Isn't there a better way? Couldn't the government come up with some simple online database of people who have the right to work here? Then well meaning employers could identify the eligibility of non-Brits quickly and easily without exposing themselves to risk of prosecution, and employees could easily demonstrate they can work here. [Post edited 14 Jan 9:29]
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Isn’t the point that if you are already employing people illegally, you probably aren’t the type of person who’s going to start using a database/ID. Therefore it’s costing 2bn of taxpayers money for something massively floored and open to abuse by current/future governments. | | | |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 11:14 - Jan 14 with 247 views | Basuco |
How is it far easier to illegally employ a person in the UK than across Europe? This is the big attraction to come to the UK by whatever means. What do the European countries do differently to make it so very difficult for an illegal immigrant to be employed? If digital ID cards are not the answer what would make illegal employment more difficult? |  | | |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 12:31 - Jan 14 with 178 views | Rimsy |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 08:38 - Jan 14 by DarkBrandon |
There was (and is) a good case for digital ID cards, allowing a simple answer to the question "how do I prove I have the right to work in the UK".
Whether they wanted it for those reasons I'm sceptical, but it could help both business and individuals.
Fortunately removing the compulsion to sign up still allows them to be used for this so ... good? |
'removing the compulsion' is just a line for them to save face. We all know it's dead. They're not going to invest billions implementing digital I'd half heartedly. |  |
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| See the digital ID cards have finally on 12:36 - Jan 14 with 156 views | stonojnr |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 12:31 - Jan 14 by Rimsy |
'removing the compulsion' is just a line for them to save face. We all know it's dead. They're not going to invest billions implementing digital I'd half heartedly. |
Oh I very much expect them to carry on spending billions on it and implementing it half assedly | | | |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 13:09 - Jan 14 with 82 views | DarkBrandon |
| See the digital ID cards have finally on 10:39 - Jan 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Isn’t the point that if you are already employing people illegally, you probably aren’t the type of person who’s going to start using a database/ID. Therefore it’s costing 2bn of taxpayers money for something massively floored and open to abuse by current/future governments. |
No. This isn't to make it harder for people employing people illegally. It is to make it easier for people who aren't British citizens but have the right to work, and legal employers who don't have to become experts in immigration and employment law.
At least that is by far the best use for it I've heard. Whether the government is thinking in those terms I doubt. There are probably other legitimate uses for it. Interestingly Kemi's lot are proposing an ICE-style force roaming the country deporting people who don't have the right to be here. A digital ID card would be very useful for people who did have the right to stay here to prevent their wrongful deportation. | | | |
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