| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out 11:48 - Jan 15 with 2140 views | urbanblue |
Any of you, like me, who have dual Citizenship and want to enter the UK cannot now enter on your foreign Passport as you could previously. This means that even those born in the UK who have moved abroad, and don't hold a British Passport will need one, or an extremely expensive Certificate of Entitlement to enter.
Boring post maybe for a lot of people but if this prevents even one of you being caught out it's worth it. I only found out when someone told me today
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:32 - Jan 15 with 1867 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If you hold two passports you should always enter and exit the country that you’re a citizen of with that passport, it’s common sense. Why would you enter as a visitor when you’re a citizen? It’s law to do so plenty of places.
Pretty easy to renew you passport from abroad, in fact my UK one took under a month including shipping, which was rather impressive. |  |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 20:23 - Jan 15 with 1605 views | urbanblue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:32 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If you hold two passports you should always enter and exit the country that you’re a citizen of with that passport, it’s common sense. Why would you enter as a visitor when you’re a citizen? It’s law to do so plenty of places.
Pretty easy to renew you passport from abroad, in fact my UK one took under a month including shipping, which was rather impressive. |
Everything you say is very true IF you have two Passports but I know Brits over here in Australia who have been here a very long time, consider themselves a dual citizen but haven't bothered with the British passport because they haven't needed to.
If your foreign passport says that you were born in the UK you aren't getting on the plane. Yes, you would probably find out when completing the ETA but mayy well be too late. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 20:34 - Jan 15 with 1560 views | DJR |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 20:23 - Jan 15 by urbanblue |
Everything you say is very true IF you have two Passports but I know Brits over here in Australia who have been here a very long time, consider themselves a dual citizen but haven't bothered with the British passport because they haven't needed to.
If your foreign passport says that you were born in the UK you aren't getting on the plane. Yes, you would probably find out when completing the ETA but mayy well be too late. |
It is not really clear to me from the Guardian article why they are doing this apart from to raise money or make things difficult for people.
The question also arises as to whether it applies to dual nationals with, say, a Canadian passport.
Incidentally, being born in the UK doesn't automatically bring with it a right to British citizenship, so what's in the passport doesn't on its own settle this issue.
https://www.gov.uk/apply-citiz [Post edited 15 Jan 21:08]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 21:25 - Jan 15 with 1445 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 20:23 - Jan 15 by urbanblue |
Everything you say is very true IF you have two Passports but I know Brits over here in Australia who have been here a very long time, consider themselves a dual citizen but haven't bothered with the British passport because they haven't needed to.
If your foreign passport says that you were born in the UK you aren't getting on the plane. Yes, you would probably find out when completing the ETA but mayy well be too late. |
No dual British Citizen can or should use ETA to try enter the UK.
That would be as crazy as a dual American citizen use ESTA just because they haven't kept up with renewing their passport.
Brits in Aus may as well give their British citizenship up if they consider themselves Australian and want to use ETA.
I never know why anyone wouldn't keep up with their travel documents, let alone expats, pretty important. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 21:30 - Jan 15 with 1426 views | urbanblue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 20:34 - Jan 15 by DJR |
It is not really clear to me from the Guardian article why they are doing this apart from to raise money or make things difficult for people.
The question also arises as to whether it applies to dual nationals with, say, a Canadian passport.
Incidentally, being born in the UK doesn't automatically bring with it a right to British citizenship, so what's in the passport doesn't on its own settle this issue.
https://www.gov.uk/apply-citiz [Post edited 15 Jan 21:08]
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Yes, Canadian and other Countries too. All the links I found were Aussie based as I live here. It may well raise a fair bit of money as the Certificate of Entitlementf you would have to get if you don't have the time to get a Passport costs nearly £600! | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:38 - Jan 15 with 1325 views | noggin |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:32 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If you hold two passports you should always enter and exit the country that you’re a citizen of with that passport, it’s common sense. Why would you enter as a visitor when you’re a citizen? It’s law to do so plenty of places.
Pretty easy to renew you passport from abroad, in fact my UK one took under a month including shipping, which was rather impressive. |
I'm dual citizen and, since Brexit, always enter the UK with my Irish passport. In fact, I can't see the point in renewing the UK one. It's pretty worthless now. |  |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:42 - Jan 15 with 1312 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:38 - Jan 15 by noggin |
I'm dual citizen and, since Brexit, always enter the UK with my Irish passport. In fact, I can't see the point in renewing the UK one. It's pretty worthless now. |
Yeah don't bother Noggin. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 23:17 - Jan 15 with 1246 views | noggin |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:42 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yeah don't bother Noggin. |
Thanks, I won't. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 23:35 - Jan 15 with 1207 views | acj |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 20:34 - Jan 15 by DJR |
It is not really clear to me from the Guardian article why they are doing this apart from to raise money or make things difficult for people.
The question also arises as to whether it applies to dual nationals with, say, a Canadian passport.
Incidentally, being born in the UK doesn't automatically bring with it a right to British citizenship, so what's in the passport doesn't on its own settle this issue.
https://www.gov.uk/apply-citiz [Post edited 15 Jan 21:08]
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On your last point, I’m a British citizen but wasn’t born in the UK. I’m not a dual citizen, but would imagine there are loads who have British citizenship from their parents but were born overseas - are they unaffected by this? |  |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 00:29 - Jan 16 with 1137 views | IPS_wich |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 13:32 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If you hold two passports you should always enter and exit the country that you’re a citizen of with that passport, it’s common sense. Why would you enter as a visitor when you’re a citizen? It’s law to do so plenty of places.
Pretty easy to renew you passport from abroad, in fact my UK one took under a month including shipping, which was rather impressive. |
That's what I thought, but...
When I got my first Australian passport in 2021 and visited the UK I entered the UK on my British passport with no problems. But when I went to leave I was told I had to use my British passport on exiting the UK (which I did no problem) but when I tried to enter back into Australia I was given the Spanish Inquisition about why I'd travelled on my British passport!!
So I've used my Australian passport for each of my last to UK visits with no problems at either end. |  | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 00:54 - Jan 16 with 1108 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 00:29 - Jan 16 by IPS_wich |
That's what I thought, but...
When I got my first Australian passport in 2021 and visited the UK I entered the UK on my British passport with no problems. But when I went to leave I was told I had to use my British passport on exiting the UK (which I did no problem) but when I tried to enter back into Australia I was given the Spanish Inquisition about why I'd travelled on my British passport!!
So I've used my Australian passport for each of my last to UK visits with no problems at either end. |
You should use both though!
Simple rule…
Enter/Exit at the border with passport you hold citizenship of said country.
Check in with the airline with your passport destination, so the airline and immigration system knows you don’t require any authorization to enter.
Not sure why anyone would land themselves as visitor in a country they hold citizenship. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:49 - Jan 16 with 1029 views | urbanblue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 21:25 - Jan 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
No dual British Citizen can or should use ETA to try enter the UK.
That would be as crazy as a dual American citizen use ESTA just because they haven't kept up with renewing their passport.
Brits in Aus may as well give their British citizenship up if they consider themselves Australian and want to use ETA.
I never know why anyone wouldn't keep up with their travel documents, let alone expats, pretty important. |
As I said many ex pats don't have a British Passport because they just haven't needed to have one. It's been quite simple to just travel backwards and forwards on their Aussie passport. The ETA is quite new and I'd imagine there are some who wouldn't even know about that.
If a family of 5 emigrated to Australia and gained Aussie Passports it could be said why then get 5 UK Passports as well when they are not needed. It's a fair bit of extra work and expense if they are not necessarily going to be used.
I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong. Myself and my daughter have both Passports. I'm just saying that a lot of people are going to get quite a shock if they don't know about the change and find out a few days before intending to travel on a foreign passport. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:53 - Jan 16 with 1027 views | urbanblue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 23:35 - Jan 15 by acj |
On your last point, I’m a British citizen but wasn’t born in the UK. I’m not a dual citizen, but would imagine there are loads who have British citizenship from their parents but were born overseas - are they unaffected by this? |
My daughter was born in Australia but I applied for a British Passport by decent when she was about a year old. That gave her dual citizenship. I'm pretty sure that you actually have to apply in that way, or so I remember. If I hadn't she would just have been Australian.
So, yes, she would have to enter on her UK passport. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:57 - Jan 16 with 1024 views | urbanblue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 00:29 - Jan 16 by IPS_wich |
That's what I thought, but...
When I got my first Australian passport in 2021 and visited the UK I entered the UK on my British passport with no problems. But when I went to leave I was told I had to use my British passport on exiting the UK (which I did no problem) but when I tried to enter back into Australia I was given the Spanish Inquisition about why I'd travelled on my British passport!!
So I've used my Australian passport for each of my last to UK visits with no problems at either end. |
So you left Australia on your Australian, then tried to return on your British?
I've never had any problems exiting/entering Australia on my Australian and entering/exiting UK on my Britush. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 03:34 - Jan 16 with 997 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:49 - Jan 16 by urbanblue |
As I said many ex pats don't have a British Passport because they just haven't needed to have one. It's been quite simple to just travel backwards and forwards on their Aussie passport. The ETA is quite new and I'd imagine there are some who wouldn't even know about that.
If a family of 5 emigrated to Australia and gained Aussie Passports it could be said why then get 5 UK Passports as well when they are not needed. It's a fair bit of extra work and expense if they are not necessarily going to be used.
I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong. Myself and my daughter have both Passports. I'm just saying that a lot of people are going to get quite a shock if they don't know about the change and find out a few days before intending to travel on a foreign passport. |
If you’re a dual citizen who travels to one of your countries of citizenship, you should obviously have both passports. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 03:38 - Jan 16 with 989 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 02:57 - Jan 16 by urbanblue |
So you left Australia on your Australian, then tried to return on your British?
I've never had any problems exiting/entering Australia on my Australian and entering/exiting UK on my Britush. |
What you said above in your second paragraph is the correct way of doing it. He probably had issues because they recorded leaving the country on one passport and trying to re-enter on another one, after having no record of departure.
Checking into a flight is different from entering/exiting a country and people get confused.
Biometrics these days change much of the hassle anyway. [Post edited 16 Jan 3:41]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 06:14 - Jan 16 with 771 views | IPS_wich |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 03:38 - Jan 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What you said above in your second paragraph is the correct way of doing it. He probably had issues because they recorded leaving the country on one passport and trying to re-enter on another one, after having no record of departure.
Checking into a flight is different from entering/exiting a country and people get confused.
Biometrics these days change much of the hassle anyway. [Post edited 16 Jan 3:41]
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That was it. To be honest, it was my first time travelling as a dual passport holder and I was rushing back due to a sick close relative as wasn't really thinking.
I had both passports with me but must have shown the wrong one at some point and it all got messy!! | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 07:39 - Jan 16 with 640 views | RadioOrwell |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:38 - Jan 15 by noggin |
I'm dual citizen and, since Brexit, always enter the UK with my Irish passport. In fact, I can't see the point in renewing the UK one. It's pretty worthless now. |
Same here. My Brit one expired and I have no intention of renewing.
I suppose the Irish exemption from the rule change is the ‘special relationship’ we have through the CTA. |  | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 07:48 - Jan 16 with 614 views | DJR |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 03:34 - Jan 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If you’re a dual citizen who travels to one of your countries of citizenship, you should obviously have both passports. |
In my case, that seems a complete nonsense.
I was born in Canada to British parents but they came back to the UK when I was 1, and I subsequently acquired a British passport because of British citizenship by descent when I reached 16. The passport mentions that I was born in Canada.
I had always suspected that I also had Canadian citizenship and checking the position recently confirmed this. But for me to get a Canadian passport, I would have to get a Canadian citizen to vouch for me, and unsurprisingly I don't know any Canadian citizens.
That being the case, on your reasoning it would seem that I could not travel to Canada which would seem ridiculous. I might add that I have only been back once but might visit at some time in the future. [Post edited 16 Jan 9:05]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 14:44 - Jan 16 with 348 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 07:48 - Jan 16 by DJR |
In my case, that seems a complete nonsense.
I was born in Canada to British parents but they came back to the UK when I was 1, and I subsequently acquired a British passport because of British citizenship by descent when I reached 16. The passport mentions that I was born in Canada.
I had always suspected that I also had Canadian citizenship and checking the position recently confirmed this. But for me to get a Canadian passport, I would have to get a Canadian citizen to vouch for me, and unsurprisingly I don't know any Canadian citizens.
That being the case, on your reasoning it would seem that I could not travel to Canada which would seem ridiculous. I might add that I have only been back once but might visit at some time in the future. [Post edited 16 Jan 9:05]
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A bit more of a unique situation but I didn’t say you could not travel, I said for expats that travel back and forth they should have both passports kept up to date.
You would be a citizen if your parents weren't diplomats. I thought you could just apply online if you wanted them to verify. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 15:30 - Jan 16 with 293 views | DJR |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 14:44 - Jan 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
A bit more of a unique situation but I didn’t say you could not travel, I said for expats that travel back and forth they should have both passports kept up to date.
You would be a citizen if your parents weren't diplomats. I thought you could just apply online if you wanted them to verify. |
I think my situation in reverse is pretty common because there must hundreds of thousands of people born in the UK who moved as a child with their family to a country such as Australia, Canada or the US.
Indeed, I have three cousins born in the UK who moved to the US before the age of 10 in around 1950.
I rather doubt they have UK passports because they haven't really had the need for them and they rarely visited the UK. One did visit in 2017 and has now maybe reached the age when he is unlikely to travel back again but if he did, he might well not be aware of the changed situation and so might get caught if he tried to travel without a British passport.
As it is, this rule applies to dual EU nationals too, so it does seem to me a recipe for chaos (at the departure airport) because the rules suggest you won't get in if you don't have a British passport.
I am also not sure I fully understand the rationale given that an Australian without British citizenship can travel to the UK under the rules for such people.
Of course it may be the sort of thing that is well publicised in a place with such close ties to the UK as Australia but I rather doubt that is the case in Virginia where my cousin lives.
Here's a link to a House of Commons briefing about the new system for those who might be affected.
https://commonslibrary.parliam
The following from that suggests those travelling on an Irish passport aren't caught by the new system.
"British (and Irish) citizens are exempt from the permission to travel requirement."
EDIT: this will presumably lead to a large increase in people seeking UK passports which does strike me as a opportunity for fraud. [Post edited 16 Jan 15:47]
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out (n/t) on 22:34 - Jan 16 with 153 views | ClareBlue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 23:17 - Jan 15 by noggin |
Thanks, I won't. |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:40 - Jan 16 with 121 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 15:30 - Jan 16 by DJR |
I think my situation in reverse is pretty common because there must hundreds of thousands of people born in the UK who moved as a child with their family to a country such as Australia, Canada or the US.
Indeed, I have three cousins born in the UK who moved to the US before the age of 10 in around 1950.
I rather doubt they have UK passports because they haven't really had the need for them and they rarely visited the UK. One did visit in 2017 and has now maybe reached the age when he is unlikely to travel back again but if he did, he might well not be aware of the changed situation and so might get caught if he tried to travel without a British passport.
As it is, this rule applies to dual EU nationals too, so it does seem to me a recipe for chaos (at the departure airport) because the rules suggest you won't get in if you don't have a British passport.
I am also not sure I fully understand the rationale given that an Australian without British citizenship can travel to the UK under the rules for such people.
Of course it may be the sort of thing that is well publicised in a place with such close ties to the UK as Australia but I rather doubt that is the case in Virginia where my cousin lives.
Here's a link to a House of Commons briefing about the new system for those who might be affected.
https://commonslibrary.parliam
The following from that suggests those travelling on an Irish passport aren't caught by the new system.
"British (and Irish) citizens are exempt from the permission to travel requirement."
EDIT: this will presumably lead to a large increase in people seeking UK passports which does strike me as a opportunity for fraud. [Post edited 16 Jan 15:47]
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Ireland and UK share CTA so not surprising. | |
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| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out (n/t) on 22:50 - Jan 16 with 87 views | ClareBlue |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out (n/t) on 22:34 - Jan 16 by ClareBlue |
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Posted too soon. Don't give up your UK passport. There are plenty of places where a UK passport is better to be travelling on than an Irish if you get into trouble. Everyone says an Irish passport is so strong etc. It is for visa free entry in Countries and obviously working in EU. But you go to South America or Africa or Asia and get arrested or in trouble and there are plenty of Countries that the British embassy has more sway, knowledge and respect. The Irish usually merge into EU representation and these don't operate as a standard Embassy as you don't actually have EU citizenship as a Country citizenship. It's recognised as a political union and most of its representation is French dominated. My daughter got arrested in Chile. She has Irish and UK passports and was travelling on her Irish passport. I phoned the foreign office in Dublin and the first thing they said was they work with the British Embassy in Santiago. The British Embassy point an English speaking solicitor for her and kept us informed. EU representation was tied into the Spanish mission. No down side for keeping both and potentially significant upsides. | | | |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:55 - Jan 16 with 82 views | BlueStreak |
| Dual Citizenship... this is going to catch a lot of people out on 22:38 - Jan 15 by noggin |
I'm dual citizen and, since Brexit, always enter the UK with my Irish passport. In fact, I can't see the point in renewing the UK one. It's pretty worthless now. |
Timely thread this as I’ve just applied for an Irish passport for the first time. Was born in NI so want to get one. My UK passport runs out in July and was wondering whether to even bother renewing it, but I may as well right? |  | | |
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