| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? 05:56 - Jan 19 with 3636 views | bluelagos |
Sat in a long line of car drivers stuck behind a caravan for 15 mins earlier doing at least 20 under the limit. Lovely twisties too.
When the caravanist eventually pulled over I didn't know whether to give him a thumbs up or some free advice on how to shake coffee beans.
Thoughts from the Twtd hive?
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 10:00 - Jan 19 with 561 views | giant_stow |
20 years or so back you could.overtake on A roads. Now, theres just gonna be another slow mover a bit further ahead so theres no point anymore. Personally, ive been beaten into just accpeting and following, whole trying to think of how it helps the fuel economy. |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:02 - Jan 19 with 551 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 09:12 - Jan 19 by Tonytown |
So you want tourism to provide jobs and to keep services going, but don’t want pesky tourists.
How’s does that work in reality? If there was no tourism many communities in places like Skye would slowly decline.
I suggest that you think before you post too.
My post was detailed and considered, but hey ban caravans, camper vans and motorhomes and see how that works out for your community and others in remote locations across the UK. [Post edited 19 Jan 9:17]
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What an utterly useless and misinformed post, you have no knowledge of the extreme problems caused and no idea of the damage that unsympathetic tourism does to the economy, social life and transport issues of our land. Extreme potholes, people missing hospital appointments, the elderly afraid to drive places because visitors don't know which side to pull in at a passing place and thus cause accidents. Wrong headed as they come. |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 10:03 - Jan 19 with 548 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 08:56 - Jan 19 by bsw72 |
Patience is a virtue - not everyone has to go full speed in their lives, and not everyone knows the road - none of us know what is happening in the vehicle in front.
I am guessing that you are on a single lane country road, and travelling above 10pmh, therefore the limit will be one of 40mph, 50mph or 60mph - 70mph would be a dual carriage way.
The distance slowed over 15 mins will be constant across all speeds at 5 miles, therefore to make up that distance it would take approximately 7.5 minutes at 40mph, 6 minutes at 50mph, or 5 minutes at 60mph to make up the lost 5 miles by driving at the speed limit.
The delay is at worst 7.5 mins . . . |
And on a journey of one hundred and twenty miles to visit hospital ?
You are being very selective in your example. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 10:06 - Jan 19 with 545 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 09:17 - Jan 19 by Guthrum |
When you say 'lovely twisties', that rather implies that your wish to excitingly throw the bike around some corners has clashed with someone else's desire for a leisurely touring holiday.
Their turn today, it will be yours another time. Purely by chance you happened to be behind them, rather than ahead on the open road.
That same phrase probably also explains why Mr Caravan was going quite slowly, twisty roads are best handled with care when towing. |
Or just have the common sense and care when planning a journey to only take awkward vehicles on roads wide enough to accommodate them. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 10:10 - Jan 19 with 541 views | Guthrum |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 09:27 - Jan 19 by bsw72 |
In the village we refer to a certain driver type locally as a classic "forties" driver and not because of age - they are the ones who on a 60pmh country lane do 40mph, but through villages with a 30mph or even in some cases 20mph limits, still maintain their 40mph speed. |
Yes, I see that a lot round here. |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 10:10 - Jan 19 with 540 views | baxterbasics |
Hmm seems like a pretty seasonal and overcooked complaint.
It's the constant elephant race between HGV's on the A14, every single morning on my Ipswich to Bury commute, that is literally wasting 1000s of hours of my life. |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:13 - Jan 19 with 527 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 09:32 - Jan 19 by Tonytown |
Campsites are businesses too you know and most have shops that sell everyday items that get bought by people who use them.
I know people stop over in pub car parks which means eating and drinking in them, helping to make them financially viable as a business too.
I’m sure it’s a pain having to drive a bit slower than you’d like, but that is the very definition of a first world problem.
Also most modern vans drive like cars, so it’s generally the older vans and caravans that are holding up traffic, but that’s the trade off of attracting visitors and the roads aren’t really designed for racing are they? [Post edited 19 Jan 9:35]
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There are not so many campsites in the Highlands, most campervans just pull up at the roadside and crap up the view with their monstrosities (VW transporters excepted of course.) The average impoverished Central European hitchhiker probably spends more in a week than an elderly campervanning couple do in a fortnight, pitches their tent out of the way and walks the hills taking in sights far more spectacular than can be seen from plastic chairs under an awning in a lay by. And I'm all too happy to stop for a minute or two to give them a lift, find out about their lives and tell them something of mine. That's real travelling. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:19 - Jan 19 with 507 views | Tonytown |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:13 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
There are not so many campsites in the Highlands, most campervans just pull up at the roadside and crap up the view with their monstrosities (VW transporters excepted of course.) The average impoverished Central European hitchhiker probably spends more in a week than an elderly campervanning couple do in a fortnight, pitches their tent out of the way and walks the hills taking in sights far more spectacular than can be seen from plastic chairs under an awning in a lay by. And I'm all too happy to stop for a minute or two to give them a lift, find out about their lives and tell them something of mine. That's real travelling. |
Another nonsense post.
The owner of the pub that we stayed at overnight at Castle Douglas was delighted to have 15 people in 8 vans the night we stayed there as we all had a meal and plenty of drinks, plus had breakfast the following morning before setting off.
There were 2 other customers in there that evening by the way.
If you are representative of the people on Skye and the Highlands, I’ll give that area and miss and spend my cash in another part of the country instead.
It’s easier to put you on the div list I think [Post edited 19 Jan 10:30]
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:20 - Jan 19 with 489 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:19 - Jan 19 by Tonytown |
Another nonsense post.
The owner of the pub that we stayed at overnight at Castle Douglas was delighted to have 15 people in 8 vans the night we stayed there as we all had a meal and plenty of drinks, plus had breakfast the following morning before setting off.
There were 2 other customers in there that evening by the way.
If you are representative of the people on Skye and the Highlands, I’ll give that area and miss and spend my cash in another part of the country instead.
It’s easier to put you on the div list I think [Post edited 19 Jan 10:30]
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Very much not nonsense, you don't know what it is like out here. And putting me on your 'div' list will say more about your inability to take in information rather than my on the ground knowledge., [Post edited 19 Jan 10:22]
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:25 - Jan 19 with 484 views | leitrimblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:13 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
There are not so many campsites in the Highlands, most campervans just pull up at the roadside and crap up the view with their monstrosities (VW transporters excepted of course.) The average impoverished Central European hitchhiker probably spends more in a week than an elderly campervanning couple do in a fortnight, pitches their tent out of the way and walks the hills taking in sights far more spectacular than can be seen from plastic chairs under an awning in a lay by. And I'm all too happy to stop for a minute or two to give them a lift, find out about their lives and tell them something of mine. That's real travelling. |
Yer can barely move around my way in the summer with all the campervans doing the Wild Atlantic Way.
There so popular with the locals, who definitely don't spend all night in the pub giving out about 'Brits in Feck1n Camper Vans'  |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:30 - Jan 19 with 468 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:25 - Jan 19 by leitrimblue |
Yer can barely move around my way in the summer with all the campervans doing the Wild Atlantic Way.
There so popular with the locals, who definitely don't spend all night in the pub giving out about 'Brits in Feck1n Camper Vans' |
Sad news, we drove the whole of the west coast from Bantry Bay to Donegal in 2009 (as well as over from Waterford to Cork and back through the Midlands (where my avatar picture comes from)) and I can't remember seeing a single one. I guess it's a case of when someone puts a name on a road trip it's no longer a proper road trip, just a commute without any work at the end of it. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:31 - Jan 19 with 470 views | bluelagos |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:13 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
There are not so many campsites in the Highlands, most campervans just pull up at the roadside and crap up the view with their monstrosities (VW transporters excepted of course.) The average impoverished Central European hitchhiker probably spends more in a week than an elderly campervanning couple do in a fortnight, pitches their tent out of the way and walks the hills taking in sights far more spectacular than can be seen from plastic chairs under an awning in a lay by. And I'm all too happy to stop for a minute or two to give them a lift, find out about their lives and tell them something of mine. That's real travelling. |
Thought hitch hikers had pretty much died a death. Picked up one in Aus once, an aboriginal guy who invited me into his home. Really interesting listening to him tell me much of the history (yep, the Brits were twaats) and continuing fights to right the wrongs done historically. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:38 - Jan 19 with 450 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:31 - Jan 19 by bluelagos |
Thought hitch hikers had pretty much died a death. Picked up one in Aus once, an aboriginal guy who invited me into his home. Really interesting listening to him tell me much of the history (yep, the Brits were twaats) and continuing fights to right the wrongs done historically. |
Not so many but I stopped to pick up two in Broadford a couple of months ago, and then a third appeared from across the road. It does annoy me when they do that but I had enough room (and seatbelts.) A German, an Austrian and an Ukrainian (he was the one who appeared out of nowhere, didn't seem to know any English and generally kept quiet,) we seemed to form a consensus that as far as statesmen in the current turbulent political climate goes, Macron is the only leader who is anywhere close. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:39 - Jan 19 with 454 views | leitrimblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:30 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
Sad news, we drove the whole of the west coast from Bantry Bay to Donegal in 2009 (as well as over from Waterford to Cork and back through the Midlands (where my avatar picture comes from)) and I can't remember seeing a single one. I guess it's a case of when someone puts a name on a road trip it's no longer a proper road trip, just a commute without any work at the end of it. |
Nice, that's some road trip.
Think it only really got this bad in the last 5-6 years.
Probably since they really started promoting the Wild Atlantic Way.
I'm up an down that road for work a lot and in the summer can often be stuck in a Convoy ( not a good Convoy like in the film with Rubber Duck etc) of campers driving incredibly slowly while staring at the scenery.
It's hard not to hate um
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:45 - Jan 19 with 428 views | bluelagos |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:38 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
Not so many but I stopped to pick up two in Broadford a couple of months ago, and then a third appeared from across the road. It does annoy me when they do that but I had enough room (and seatbelts.) A German, an Austrian and an Ukrainian (he was the one who appeared out of nowhere, didn't seem to know any English and generally kept quiet,) we seemed to form a consensus that as far as statesmen in the current turbulent political climate goes, Macron is the only leader who is anywhere close. |
Hiding in the bushes! Had a South African granny do that to me once, "Ok, if my grandkids squeeze in the back?". 😅
There were more of them than there were seat belts! | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:47 - Jan 19 with 423 views | J2BLUE |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:19 - Jan 19 by Tonytown |
Another nonsense post.
The owner of the pub that we stayed at overnight at Castle Douglas was delighted to have 15 people in 8 vans the night we stayed there as we all had a meal and plenty of drinks, plus had breakfast the following morning before setting off.
There were 2 other customers in there that evening by the way.
If you are representative of the people on Skye and the Highlands, I’ll give that area and miss and spend my cash in another part of the country instead.
It’s easier to put you on the div list I think [Post edited 19 Jan 10:30]
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He said to tell you that all campervan owners are worse than Norwich fans and have small willies.
Just passing it on. |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:08 - Jan 19 with 378 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:47 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
He said to tell you that all campervan owners are worse than Norwich fans and have small willies.
Just passing it on. |
Just to clarify things, I didn't say that.
But now that you mention it... | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:08 - Jan 19 with 375 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 10:30 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
Sad news, we drove the whole of the west coast from Bantry Bay to Donegal in 2009 (as well as over from Waterford to Cork and back through the Midlands (where my avatar picture comes from)) and I can't remember seeing a single one. I guess it's a case of when someone puts a name on a road trip it's no longer a proper road trip, just a commute without any work at the end of it. |
There is some irony in your anti tourist posts against people in the Highlands and Islands and you having a lovely drive along the west coast from Bantry Bay to Donegal in 2009.
Were you a tourist at the time? |  |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:13 - Jan 19 with 359 views | J2BLUE |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:08 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
Just to clarify things, I didn't say that.
But now that you mention it... |
That's harsh mate, he's not a complete and utter cockwomble at all! | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:24 - Jan 19 with 337 views | bsw72 |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 06:00 - Jan 19 by WeWereZombies |
We are utterly plagued by them for about nine months of the year on Skye, it's not just their useless driving (and they are legally obliged to pull over and let traffic pass in the Highlands yet they never do) but that they stock up elsewhere and hardly put any money into the local economy. Fair amount of littering is due to them as well. Tax them to the hilt. [Post edited 19 Jan 6:13]
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It's not "legally" obliged.
UK Highway Code – Rule 169 (Slow-moving vehicles and queues)
Rule 169: "Slow-moving vehicles, such as tractors, horse-drawn vehicles, and caravans, should use passing places on narrow roads to allow others to overtake safely. If you are driving a slow-moving vehicle and there is a long queue of vehicles behind you, you should pull into passing places to let them pass when it is safe to do so."
Note: This is a recommendation to promote safety and courtesy; it is not a legal requirement.
Scottish Outdoor Access Code – Guidance on Driving on Minor and Single-track Roads, from the section on Driving and using vehicles on minor roads and single-track roads:
"Drivers of slow-moving vehicles, including caravans and camper vans, should use passing places to allow other vehicles to pass safely and avoid long queues forming behind them."
"Drivers following slow-moving vehicles should be patient and only overtake when it is safe and legal to do so."
"All road users should drive carefully and courteously, respecting other users and the environment."
Note: The Code encourages responsible and considerate behaviour but does not impose legal obligations, similar to the highway code. |  | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:28 - Jan 19 with 323 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:08 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
There is some irony in your anti tourist posts against people in the Highlands and Islands and you having a lovely drive along the west coast from Bantry Bay to Donegal in 2009.
Were you a tourist at the time? |
My posts are not anti-tourist, if you read them with any objective of understanding my viewpoint you would surely see that. I was a tourist myself when I first came to Skye over twenty two years ago and now I have been a resident here for twelve and a half years, I know something of the issues I am discussing. I think you are projecting the irony into them.
I've never even thought of hiring a campervan and driving it around the Highlands, even though the cost of accommodation can be prohibitive. Trucks and vans going about their commercial business are acceptable traffic (and sometimes the fastest vehicles on the road - especially at home time) and I was happy enough to drive an RV around Arizona and Nevada a few decades ago, the big wide roads out there are suitable. I can also see an argument for families with young children using a VW campervan, economy and clearing up (or not having to) in the morning were drivers to hiring the RV.
But for everyone else there are bed and breakfast rooms and hotels (surely more appropriate for retirees, who are also most likely to have the money to stay in them), hostels and bunkhouses (great meeting places for the young and even the not so young to meet) plus wild camping and bothies for free and for a real taste of the Highlands (and I am a joint maintenance organiser of a bothy...the rubbish I have to pack out sometimes on my three hour walk to the ferry terminal...but as long as the bothy is serviceable I don't really mind and the 'thank yous' we get in the bothy book are always heartwarming.)
The point I am trying to get across (and I do regret my strident tone in the first reply in this thread, if only because it set off a whole load of misunderstandings) is that to travel sympathetically is to get more from your journeys, to disturb scenery, wildlife and local customs less, and to set the best example to others. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:36 - Jan 19 with 309 views | WeWereZombies |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:24 - Jan 19 by bsw72 |
It's not "legally" obliged.
UK Highway Code – Rule 169 (Slow-moving vehicles and queues)
Rule 169: "Slow-moving vehicles, such as tractors, horse-drawn vehicles, and caravans, should use passing places on narrow roads to allow others to overtake safely. If you are driving a slow-moving vehicle and there is a long queue of vehicles behind you, you should pull into passing places to let them pass when it is safe to do so."
Note: This is a recommendation to promote safety and courtesy; it is not a legal requirement.
Scottish Outdoor Access Code – Guidance on Driving on Minor and Single-track Roads, from the section on Driving and using vehicles on minor roads and single-track roads:
"Drivers of slow-moving vehicles, including caravans and camper vans, should use passing places to allow other vehicles to pass safely and avoid long queues forming behind them."
"Drivers following slow-moving vehicles should be patient and only overtake when it is safe and legal to do so."
"All road users should drive carefully and courteously, respecting other users and the environment."
Note: The Code encourages responsible and considerate behaviour but does not impose legal obligations, similar to the highway code. |
'Single-track roads – these are only wide enough for one vehicle and you will see signs for ‘passing places’. If you observe a vehicle travelling towards you – or the driver behind wants to overtake – pull into a passing place on your left or wait opposite a passing place on your right. Do not park in passing places.'
https://www.safetycameras.gov.
There was a famous case up here of a convoy of Italian campervans travelling so close together that they caused a major obstruction, they were pulled over by the Police. Instead of trying to find loopholes please just do the decent thing. | |
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| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 11:36 - Jan 19 with 305 views | mellowblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper w@nkers? on 07:58 - Jan 19 by bluelagos |
In the hierarchy of users, cyclists are near the peak, just behind Alfa drivers. Def info. |
Alfa drivers, how dare you, Sir !! We are further down the pyramid than Beemers, Audis and older Volvos, I will have you know. | | | |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 11:40 - Jan 19 with 298 views | mellowblue |
| How to approach caravanists and camper van w@nkers (ancient VWs excepted) ? on 09:18 - Jan 19 by bluelagos |
They could encourage motorcyclists. Pay for hotels, always use restaurants and don't hold anyone up. What's not too like?
Cyclists too, although bit of an effort to get there :-)
As a slight tangent, the irony of the much marketed NC500 as a beautiful drive, when in reality you're simply sitting behind a line of slow moving campers is quite something. [Post edited 19 Jan 9:25]
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I would agree if motorbikes weren't so fekking noisy when rode hard. I am amazed that all road vehicles are not subject to noise pollution curbs, these days. | | | |
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