| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games 08:18 - Feb 4 with 2190 views | DJR |
It's not something I've ever done in nearly 60 years of watching the club.
It's counter-productive anyway, and it won't change the fact that we have to get behind the squad and players we have until the end of the season.
And let's not forget that being in the position we are at this stage of the season is far better than the vast majority of seasons in the last 40 years. [Post edited 4 Feb 8:21]
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:28 - Feb 4 with 1685 views | Papillon64 |
Well said Sir.. |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:41 - Feb 4 with 1631 views | Wright1 |
It's mad this even has to be said isn't it? |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:43 - Feb 4 with 1628 views | DJR |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:41 - Feb 4 by Wright1 |
It's mad this even has to be said isn't it? |
On Saturday the knives were out for Hirst (not for the first time) but is that really going to boost his confidence at a time when it could do with a lift? [Post edited 4 Feb 8:44]
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:45 - Feb 4 with 1606 views | Swansea_Blue |
Except for McAteer, yes?  Some of our fans have to have an escaped goat. |  |
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 with 1577 views | BlueForYou |
So you were a fully invested Mick McCarthyite then .!! Not one complaint during 20 years of Marcus Evans?? Yeah right... |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 with 1575 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:43 - Feb 4 by DJR |
On Saturday the knives were out for Hirst (not for the first time) but is that really going to boost his confidence at a time when it could do with a lift? [Post edited 4 Feb 8:44]
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i hear what you are saying, but he's missed the target from 15/18yards with our best chance of the game, do the uber positive around here honestly think that wont get some sort of reaction by the fans?
he had a chance to be a hero, but completely flopped
personally i didnt shout moan or boo, just stood up with hands on head looking around at 30/40% of the NSU throwing arms about hammering him. |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:02 - Feb 4 with 1550 views | mistert |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 by BlueForYou |
So you were a fully invested Mick McCarthyite then .!! Not one complaint during 20 years of Marcus Evans?? Yeah right... |
It's fine to be critical but it's counterproductive to moan and groan about individual players and not get behind the team we hope will get us up, especially in the run in. Better to leave the postmortem to the end of season.. That's my interpretation anyway. [Post edited 4 Feb 9:03]
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:08 - Feb 4 with 1490 views | DJR |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 by BlueForYou |
So you were a fully invested Mick McCarthyite then .!! Not one complaint during 20 years of Marcus Evans?? Yeah right... |
Maybe it's just me, but I've always supported whoever is the current manager, and Mick McCarthy was not exception. | | | |
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:14 - Feb 4 with 1458 views | DJR |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 by ashtonscoffeecup |
i hear what you are saying, but he's missed the target from 15/18yards with our best chance of the game, do the uber positive around here honestly think that wont get some sort of reaction by the fans?
he had a chance to be a hero, but completely flopped
personally i didnt shout moan or boo, just stood up with hands on head looking around at 30/40% of the NSU throwing arms about hammering him. |
The point for me is that that sort of crowd reaction is not likely to improves his chance of scoring if he gets another chance.
Anyway, large sections of the crowd can either carry on moaning at him, or they can get behind him.
In my view the latter is more likely to boost our chances of promotion. | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:17 - Feb 4 with 1436 views | Wright1 |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:43 - Feb 4 by DJR |
On Saturday the knives were out for Hirst (not for the first time) but is that really going to boost his confidence at a time when it could do with a lift? [Post edited 4 Feb 8:44]
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Oh in case I wasn't clear, I agree with your post. I find the treatment of the team this year quite perplexing. It is far more of a barrier to my enjoyment of games than our style of play or the performance of individuals. | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:19 - Feb 4 with 1430 views | DJR |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:17 - Feb 4 by Wright1 |
Oh in case I wasn't clear, I agree with your post. I find the treatment of the team this year quite perplexing. It is far more of a barrier to my enjoyment of games than our style of play or the performance of individuals. |
Apologies. I misread it. | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:19 - Feb 4 with 1428 views | Pinewoodblue |
Not sure individual comments get to players.
I’m sure though they feel it when there is a spontaneous reaction from the stands, those gasps when a shot is saved, or hit the woodwork, plus of course the groans when a player misses an easy chance to score. Can’t do anything about those though. |  |
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:26 - Feb 4 with 1400 views | DJR |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:19 - Feb 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Not sure individual comments get to players.
I’m sure though they feel it when there is a spontaneous reaction from the stands, those gasps when a shot is saved, or hit the woodwork, plus of course the groans when a player misses an easy chance to score. Can’t do anything about those though. |
I've been to virtually every game this season, and it seems to me to have gone beyond more disappointment at the missing of a chance or the misplacing of a pass.
To take the Millwall game, my view was that the crowd reaction to McAteer strayed into clear hostility which I think does convey itself to the players.
I also felt the same when it came to Hirst on Saturday.
And more generally, I think it is clear that McKenna has felt the support for the team this season has not been what it was which is certainly true. [Post edited 4 Feb 9:27]
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:48 - Feb 4 with 1346 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:14 - Feb 4 by DJR |
The point for me is that that sort of crowd reaction is not likely to improves his chance of scoring if he gets another chance.
Anyway, large sections of the crowd can either carry on moaning at him, or they can get behind him.
In my view the latter is more likely to boost our chances of promotion. |
I agree with this totally.
Related to that, I always wonder whether booing the ref / calling him a ##### is ever going to result in us getting better decision making. I know they are meant to block it out, and last weekend it would have required the patience of a saint not to be upset with him, but stubborn and bloody minded are the primary character requirements of a referee (certainly not good eyesight or judgement) and I would be very surprised if decision making ever improved by the usual chant of "you don't know what you're doing" | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 10:00 - Feb 4 with 1283 views | PavlovsCat |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:45 - Feb 4 by Swansea_Blue |
Except for McAteer, yes? Some of our fans have to have an escaped goat. |
No wonder McAteer is struggling. It must be very difficult to play football if you’re an, ‘escaped goat’. | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 10:23 - Feb 4 with 1216 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:26 - Feb 4 by DJR |
I've been to virtually every game this season, and it seems to me to have gone beyond more disappointment at the missing of a chance or the misplacing of a pass.
To take the Millwall game, my view was that the crowd reaction to McAteer strayed into clear hostility which I think does convey itself to the players.
I also felt the same when it came to Hirst on Saturday.
And more generally, I think it is clear that McKenna has felt the support for the team this season has not been what it was which is certainly true. [Post edited 4 Feb 9:27]
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without stating the obvious did anyone think the support/feeling would be anywhere near what it has been?
the moment the whistle went vs huddersfield i knew things would be different. would see us lose more often than not in the PL, would see us go down and carry an expectation of promotion as oppose to the hope of it.
the team isnt the one we fell in love with over 2/3 years, its just different now.
but i dont think they help themselves at all, the talk of the ambition, attacking the transfer market, playing as poorly as we have at times etc.
many many fans switch off/change their mindsets - thats just life | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 10:54 - Feb 4 with 1137 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 by BlueForYou |
So you were a fully invested Mick McCarthyite then .!! Not one complaint during 20 years of Marcus Evans?? Yeah right... |
I can honestly say I have never booed or abused our own players or manager, even during some of the crap served up by MickMa’s team. Nor the collapse under Burley. Nor the ‘dead’ years after SBR. | |
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 10:59 - Feb 4 with 1137 views | HighgateBlue |
I completely agree. I don't have the equanimity or self control to refrain from criticism and even over-reaction on the message board.
But at /games/, I don't know what goes through people's heads when they're having a go at their own players. Supporters gonna support, haters gonna hate. We should totally be getting behind our team. We might not be getting paid for it, but that's our job. We can scarcely complain at player X for not doing his job when we don't do ours. |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 11:54 - Feb 4 with 1016 views | DJR |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:48 - Feb 4 by Exiled2Surrey |
I agree with this totally.
Related to that, I always wonder whether booing the ref / calling him a ##### is ever going to result in us getting better decision making. I know they are meant to block it out, and last weekend it would have required the patience of a saint not to be upset with him, but stubborn and bloody minded are the primary character requirements of a referee (certainly not good eyesight or judgement) and I would be very surprised if decision making ever improved by the usual chant of "you don't know what you're doing" |
I think there is something in what you say.
Booing the ref is also not something I engage in anyway. Maybe it's partly because I also played rugby when young.
I take the view that the ref is nearer to the play than me, and is trying to do their best.
And of course last season didn't suggest to me that VAR is any better. [Post edited 4 Feb 11:55]
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| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 12:59 - Feb 4 with 915 views | stonojnr |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 by BlueForYou |
So you were a fully invested Mick McCarthyite then .!! Not one complaint during 20 years of Marcus Evans?? Yeah right... |
I never once booed the players or the team, id had my issues with McCarthy & Jewell & Keane & Lambert and it meant I didnt go to as many matches But on the pitch the team got the support, because thats what supporters do, they support. | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 13:05 - Feb 4 with 897 views | waveneyblue |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:17 - Feb 4 by Wright1 |
Oh in case I wasn't clear, I agree with your post. I find the treatment of the team this year quite perplexing. It is far more of a barrier to my enjoyment of games than our style of play or the performance of individuals. |
Couldn't agree more.
The Wrexham game earlier in the year - A couple of planks near me in the North Stand, shouted "Boing" every time the ball went near Hirst and then shouted at McAteer to "F@ck off you're shit" as he was running on the pitch.
That's not support - Its just moronic - End of |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 13:06 - Feb 4 with 894 views | stonojnr |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 08:56 - Feb 4 by ashtonscoffeecup |
i hear what you are saying, but he's missed the target from 15/18yards with our best chance of the game, do the uber positive around here honestly think that wont get some sort of reaction by the fans?
he had a chance to be a hero, but completely flopped
personally i didnt shout moan or boo, just stood up with hands on head looking around at 30/40% of the NSU throwing arms about hammering him. |
And im sure in that moment he knew full well that himself, he didnt need several thousand people jumping on his back reminding him, who by the fact they're in the stands not on the pitch with him shows they dont have the skill to have scored either
And there was a classic example of what it does to players, as people kept booing the pass around with the back 4. Johnson who is also low on confidence and target for the bully boys had the ball, he wanted to pass to OShea, but he knew if he did some sections of the crowd would boo him. So he tried the harder riskier pass forward instead which PNE scooped up and instantly attacked with. | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 13:38 - Feb 4 with 826 views | RIPbobby |
Agreed. Nothing wrong with the players we have. Our system is pretty awesome and takes a lot of getting used to. Modern football is all about sharing goals around the team. I think it will be rare for a McKenna team to have a 20 goal a season player. |  | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 13:53 - Feb 4 with 794 views | Oldboysf81 |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 09:17 - Feb 4 by Wright1 |
Oh in case I wasn't clear, I agree with your post. I find the treatment of the team this year quite perplexing. It is far more of a barrier to my enjoyment of games than our style of play or the performance of individuals. |
Totally agree with this. I am lucky enough to be able to go to the majority of away games and one of the reasons why I enjoy it much more than attending home games is the fans' support. I think it was Oxford away where that wasn't true (towards the end of the game) but the vast majority of time, the supporters understand their role and don't need the reminders of what a positive force they can be from Kieran or MA. There's a lot to dislike about many home supporters and their fickle nature and apparent entitlement but its not just an ITFC problem. Rapid success has generated an expectancy and has introduced a whole bunch of new fans which is of course brilliant but they don't bring a collective memory of what its been like to be an ITFC fan over a very long period. "Up or down" indeed... | | | |
| No more moaning at the team or individual players at games on 14:12 - Feb 4 with 761 views | aloanagain |
If only we could make as much noise to support the team as the crowd did when showing what they felt about the referees performance. The opposition would not survive that. | | | |
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