| Palestine Action 18:24 - Feb 4 with 4551 views | DJR |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
"Palestine Action activists cleared of aggravated burglary at Israeli defence firm site
None of the six activists were convicted of any offence over break-in at Elbit Systems factory near Bristol in 2024"
A couple of observations.
1. No wonder they want to get rid of jury trials.
2. Defend Our Juries said the verdicts were “a huge blow to government ministers” who had “tried to portray Palestine Action as a violent group to justify banning it under badly drafted terrorism legislation”. Amnesty International also said it showed how disproportionate the proscription decision was. [Post edited 4 Feb 18:25]
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| Palestine Action on 14:12 - Feb 5 with 708 views | J2BLUE |
| Palestine Action on 14:09 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
But Palestine
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This is f##king insane. |  |
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| Palestine Action on 14:22 - Feb 5 with 686 views | Jon_456 |
| Palestine Action on 12:27 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
Alright Jon (got a new motor?),
Do us a favour and post links to all of the ‘usual posters defending this attack’
Thanks in advance. |
BDS stating that JC’s celebratory post is spot on.
It’s ludicrous people are celebrating their actions in this instance. |  | | |
| Palestine Action on 14:29 - Feb 5 with 663 views | vapour_trail |
| Palestine Action on 14:22 - Feb 5 by Jon_456 |
BDS stating that JC’s celebratory post is spot on.
It’s ludicrous people are celebrating their actions in this instance. |
That’ll be a ‘no’, from Jon then.
That’s a surprise. |  |
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| Palestine Action on 14:37 - Feb 5 with 636 views | Jon_456 |
| Palestine Action on 14:29 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
That’ll be a ‘no’, from Jon then.
That’s a surprise. |
So do you think they should have been punished for their crimes, or should it be legal to cause criminal damage and break a police officer back? | | | |
| Palestine Action on 14:43 - Feb 5 with 616 views | Zx1988 |
| Palestine Action on 14:37 - Feb 5 by Jon_456 |
So do you think they should have been punished for their crimes, or should it be legal to cause criminal damage and break a police officer back? |
Perhaps you could answer the original question posed by Vapour_Trail, rather than descending into abject whataboutery? | |
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| Palestine Action on 14:48 - Feb 5 with 606 views | vapour_trail |
| Palestine Action on 14:37 - Feb 5 by Jon_456 |
So do you think they should have been punished for their crimes, or should it be legal to cause criminal damage and break a police officer back? |
Should it be legal to cause criminal damage and break a police officers back.
Of course not man, wtf is wrong with you?
I’ve not read anything on the trial or their alleged crimes other than what has appeared on these pages, so I’m completely unqualified to comment on punishments.
Please try and avoid viewing this as celebratory in any way. | |
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| Palestine Action on 14:56 - Feb 5 with 597 views | DJR |
I hope people will realise from my posting history that the last thing I am is an antisemite.
Indeed, nothing in my OP or subsequent comments waw intended to touch on the cause in question or its impact, and I certainly did not celebrate the decision. I have therefore been surprised at the turn this thread has taken.
My concerns were matters of principle, regardless of the circumstances, namely.-
1. The abolition of jury trials.
2. Using Terrorism Act in a way it has never been used before to target direct-action groups, with the corresponding arrest of hundreds of people merely for holding up a placard.
But if people are happy with this, so be it. | | | |
| Palestine Action on 14:58 - Feb 5 with 592 views | vapour_trail |
| Palestine Action on 14:56 - Feb 5 by DJR |
I hope people will realise from my posting history that the last thing I am is an antisemite.
Indeed, nothing in my OP or subsequent comments waw intended to touch on the cause in question or its impact, and I certainly did not celebrate the decision. I have therefore been surprised at the turn this thread has taken.
My concerns were matters of principle, regardless of the circumstances, namely.-
1. The abolition of jury trials.
2. Using Terrorism Act in a way it has never been used before to target direct-action groups, with the corresponding arrest of hundreds of people merely for holding up a placard.
But if people are happy with this, so be it. |
There’s no surprise at all to the way the thread has been taken. Entirely predictable, sadly. | |
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| Palestine Action on 15:03 - Feb 5 with 574 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Palestine Action on 14:56 - Feb 5 by DJR |
I hope people will realise from my posting history that the last thing I am is an antisemite.
Indeed, nothing in my OP or subsequent comments waw intended to touch on the cause in question or its impact, and I certainly did not celebrate the decision. I have therefore been surprised at the turn this thread has taken.
My concerns were matters of principle, regardless of the circumstances, namely.-
1. The abolition of jury trials.
2. Using Terrorism Act in a way it has never been used before to target direct-action groups, with the corresponding arrest of hundreds of people merely for holding up a placard.
But if people are happy with this, so be it. |
No one suggested for one minute that you are. And no one said that the attack was anti semitic. |  |
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| Palestine Action on 15:05 - Feb 5 with 562 views | itfcjoe |
| Palestine Action on 14:56 - Feb 5 by DJR |
I hope people will realise from my posting history that the last thing I am is an antisemite.
Indeed, nothing in my OP or subsequent comments waw intended to touch on the cause in question or its impact, and I certainly did not celebrate the decision. I have therefore been surprised at the turn this thread has taken.
My concerns were matters of principle, regardless of the circumstances, namely.-
1. The abolition of jury trials.
2. Using Terrorism Act in a way it has never been used before to target direct-action groups, with the corresponding arrest of hundreds of people merely for holding up a placard.
But if people are happy with this, so be it. |
I don't think anyone has suggested you are, and would even have had it is a consideration so I wouldn't worry in that regard.
I think the thread would always go that way, because it is a quite shocking case, and generally this country isn't like the US where Jury selection and the massive divide in their country has always been a big part of things.
I just wouldn't really, probably naively, expected it here in such an open and naked political way:
"During the trial one juror asked the judge whether it would count as a lawful excuse if a defendant believed they were performing a life-saving action by destroying weapons used to kill civilians in an illegal genocide. Johnson said it would not, but Menon reminded the jurors of their absolute right to acquit."
If a juror has this view and asks this question, then they shouldn't be on a jury for me for a case like this |  |
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| Palestine Action on 15:08 - Feb 5 with 552 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Palestine Action on 14:12 - Feb 5 by J2BLUE |
This is f##king insane. |
Shocking isn't it? People seem to be emboldened to attack jews in the name of "Free Palestine". Which was the point Stephen Pollard was making in the column I linked. | |
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| Palestine Action on 15:25 - Feb 5 with 505 views | itfcjoe |
| Palestine Action on 15:08 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Shocking isn't it? People seem to be emboldened to attack jews in the name of "Free Palestine". Which was the point Stephen Pollard was making in the column I linked. |
I don't think it's purely a UK thing, but cases like this and the banning of Maccabi fans is a slippery slope where mob/vigilante rule is allowed | |
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| Palestine Action on 15:33 - Feb 5 with 478 views | Jon_456 |
| Palestine Action on 14:43 - Feb 5 by Zx1988 |
Perhaps you could answer the original question posed by Vapour_Trail, rather than descending into abject whataboutery? |
I already have done above.
JC is claiming victory for this group going unpunished for causing criminal damage and the attack on the officer. If you’re saying it’s a victory, to me that’s saying you agree with their actions. BDS has clearly stated what JC posted was spot on. | | | |
| Palestine Action on 15:34 - Feb 5 with 473 views | Jon_456 |
| Palestine Action on 14:48 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
Should it be legal to cause criminal damage and break a police officers back.
Of course not man, wtf is wrong with you?
I’ve not read anything on the trial or their alleged crimes other than what has appeared on these pages, so I’m completely unqualified to comment on punishments.
Please try and avoid viewing this as celebratory in any way. |
Corbyn has labelled it a huge victory, BDS has said it’s spot on and you’ve upvoted it.
It’s hard to see it as anything other than celebratory. | | | |
| Palestine Action on 15:42 - Feb 5 with 441 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Palestine Action on 15:25 - Feb 5 by itfcjoe |
I don't think it's purely a UK thing, but cases like this and the banning of Maccabi fans is a slippery slope where mob/vigilante rule is allowed |
Definitely not just a UK thing
Funny you should mention the Maccabi Villa game. Still waiting for a response from someone on that thread. | |
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| Palestine Action on 15:44 - Feb 5 with 425 views | J2BLUE |
| Palestine Action on 15:42 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Definitely not just a UK thing
Funny you should mention the Maccabi Villa game. Still waiting for a response from someone on that thread. |
Just how utterly thick do you need to be to do this? Far too many have failed to condemn things like this.
Many people who think they are morally superior seem to have their morals on a bit of elastic. | |
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| Palestine Action on 16:02 - Feb 5 with 379 views | MattinLondon |
| Palestine Action on 15:44 - Feb 5 by J2BLUE |
Just how utterly thick do you need to be to do this? Far too many have failed to condemn things like this.
Many people who think they are morally superior seem to have their morals on a bit of elastic. |
Unfortunately not all racists are thick - many partake in their hatred, be it physical, verbal or online abuse knowing full well that such attacks do not achieve anything, but they don’t care. Because their hatred warps their mind into believing that they are doing something good - which they aren’t.
Hatred blinds. |  | | |
| Palestine Action on 16:13 - Feb 5 with 353 views | DJR |
| Palestine Action on 15:03 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
No one suggested for one minute that you are. And no one said that the attack was anti semitic. |
But this thread has got onto antisemitism (including the implied suggestion that the jury was antismetic) when that issue couldn't have been further from my mind when I posted what I did.
I suppose it just shows the difficulties/interpretations that can arise by posting anything about Israel, Gaza, Palestine or Palestine Action, so in future I am just going to stay off these topics on TWTD: I'm not on social media elsewhere anyway. [Post edited 5 Feb 16:41]
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| Palestine Action on 16:20 - Feb 5 with 315 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Palestine Action on 14:09 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
But Palestine
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You seem to have gone off piste again....wrong thread I think. |  |
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| Palestine Action on 16:23 - Feb 5 with 305 views | vapour_trail |
| Palestine Action on 15:34 - Feb 5 by Jon_456 |
Corbyn has labelled it a huge victory, BDS has said it’s spot on and you’ve upvoted it.
It’s hard to see it as anything other than celebratory. |
Think you’ve confused my voting patterns with someone else’s jonny, lad.
Have another read through. Hopefully you’ll see there’s a lot of surprise at the outcome, and that nobody is celebrating the injury to the officer in the police who sustained the horrible injury.
I’ll leave it there anyhows, given theres that crew that are following this conversation around to jump on a button when either of us posts. | |
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| Palestine Action on 16:24 - Feb 5 with 303 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Palestine Action on 14:56 - Feb 5 by DJR |
I hope people will realise from my posting history that the last thing I am is an antisemite.
Indeed, nothing in my OP or subsequent comments waw intended to touch on the cause in question or its impact, and I certainly did not celebrate the decision. I have therefore been surprised at the turn this thread has taken.
My concerns were matters of principle, regardless of the circumstances, namely.-
1. The abolition of jury trials.
2. Using Terrorism Act in a way it has never been used before to target direct-action groups, with the corresponding arrest of hundreds of people merely for holding up a placard.
But if people are happy with this, so be it. |
Don't sweat it, it's what he does and has repeatedly done ever since trying to convince us that certain definitions of antisemitism wouldn't be used inappropriately. | |
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| Palestine Action on 16:27 - Feb 5 with 291 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Palestine Action on 15:08 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Shocking isn't it? People seem to be emboldened to attack jews in the name of "Free Palestine". Which was the point Stephen Pollard was making in the column I linked. |
Were some Jews attacked in the case being discussed here? | |
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| Palestine Action on 16:31 - Feb 5 with 280 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Palestine Action on 15:42 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Definitely not just a UK thing
Funny you should mention the Maccabi Villa game. Still waiting for a response from someone on that thread. |
Wrong thread again! | |
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| Palestine Action on 16:32 - Feb 5 with 273 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Palestine Action on 16:13 - Feb 5 by DJR |
But this thread has got onto antisemitism (including the implied suggestion that the jury was antismetic) when that issue couldn't have been further from my mind when I posted what I did.
I suppose it just shows the difficulties/interpretations that can arise by posting anything about Israel, Gaza, Palestine or Palestine Action, so in future I am just going to stay off these topics on TWTD: I'm not on social media elsewhere anyway. [Post edited 5 Feb 16:41]
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Great work Glassers! | |
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| Palestine Action on 16:36 - Feb 5 with 265 views | Jon_456 |
| Palestine Action on 16:23 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
Think you’ve confused my voting patterns with someone else’s jonny, lad.
Have another read through. Hopefully you’ll see there’s a lot of surprise at the outcome, and that nobody is celebrating the injury to the officer in the police who sustained the horrible injury.
I’ll leave it there anyhows, given theres that crew that are following this conversation around to jump on a button when either of us posts. |
Apologies, I thought I’d seen your name as one of the poster who upvoted. My mistake.
Point stands though. Very easily seen as being celebrated by those who agree with Corbyn’s post.
Agreed on your last sentence. | | | |
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