| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein 09:23 - Feb 9 with 3821 views | nrb1985 |
Latest reports and findings show that he sent on what you would assume to be fairly sensitive reports from his various trips as envoy within minutes of receiving them.
Surely this ultimately ends up with him behind bars now? If it doesn't then I would question if the monarchy can survive.
Soliciting brass is one thing but sending government "secrets" is surely another? |  | | |  |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:33 - Feb 9 with 891 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:14 - Feb 9 by redrickstuhaart |
This idea of 'huah' money is silly. It was a civil claim for money. You settle by paying money. It's what was sought. Not some dodgy deal. |
Could they have refused and fought it? Genuinely? Presumably they could have, therefore despite the technicalities I can understand why it is viewed as hush money in terms of not wanting to see the gory details aired in public any more than they had already.
I'm no lawyer, clearly, and this could be complete bollards, but it is the impression that many many people got, and in my eyes it's not an unreasonable one. |  | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:34 - Feb 9 with 889 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:33 - Feb 9 by Axeldalai_lama |
Could they have refused and fought it? Genuinely? Presumably they could have, therefore despite the technicalities I can understand why it is viewed as hush money in terms of not wanting to see the gory details aired in public any more than they had already.
I'm no lawyer, clearly, and this could be complete bollards, but it is the impression that many many people got, and in my eyes it's not an unreasonable one. |
Of course they could. But the vast majority of claims for damages are settled. It's entirely normal. Probably would have cost them as much to defend it. Especially in the states where you don't tend to get your costs automatically if you win. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:41]
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:40 - Feb 9 with 827 views | lowhouseblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:34 - Feb 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Of course they could. But the vast majority of claims for damages are settled. It's entirely normal. Probably would have cost them as much to defend it. Especially in the states where you don't tend to get your costs automatically if you win. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:41]
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also if an offer to settle is refused it can affect potential cost liability and that may not be a sensible risk for a claimant to take. |  |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:45 - Feb 9 with 803 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:34 - Feb 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Of course they could. But the vast majority of claims for damages are settled. It's entirely normal. Probably would have cost them as much to defend it. Especially in the states where you don't tend to get your costs automatically if you win. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:41]
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But again, you see how that looks to the layman? Another level of thing they don't come into contact in every day life, vast sums of money, all perfectly normal paupers, nothing to see here, just a small everyday multi million pound legal case involving young girls, trafficking, drugs, secret meetings. And it's all supposed to be sorted by stumping up cash.
Technically all 'above board' and 'entirely normal' from a certain angle. Which kind of makes it worse. | | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:52 - Feb 9 with 759 views | lowhouseblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:45 - Feb 9 by Axeldalai_lama |
But again, you see how that looks to the layman? Another level of thing they don't come into contact in every day life, vast sums of money, all perfectly normal paupers, nothing to see here, just a small everyday multi million pound legal case involving young girls, trafficking, drugs, secret meetings. And it's all supposed to be sorted by stumping up cash.
Technically all 'above board' and 'entirely normal' from a certain angle. Which kind of makes it worse. |
most civil claims do always come down to money though. reaching a settlement isn't an admission of liability.
but in all seriousness, and regardless of the rights and wrongs of the claim, if you were a lawyer would you ever risk putting andrew in the witness box? the chances of him not perjuring himself are minimal. emily maitlis showed him to take dodgy to unimagined heights, days and days in front of a kc and no one would believe a word he said. | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:55 - Feb 9 with 751 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:45 - Feb 9 by Axeldalai_lama |
But again, you see how that looks to the layman? Another level of thing they don't come into contact in every day life, vast sums of money, all perfectly normal paupers, nothing to see here, just a small everyday multi million pound legal case involving young girls, trafficking, drugs, secret meetings. And it's all supposed to be sorted by stumping up cash.
Technically all 'above board' and 'entirely normal' from a certain angle. Which kind of makes it worse. |
Cash is what she was asking for. Nothing else. The other stuff is for criminal prosecution. About which there are very valid questions. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:56]
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:01 - Feb 9 with 716 views | leitrimblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:45 - Feb 9 by Axeldalai_lama |
But again, you see how that looks to the layman? Another level of thing they don't come into contact in every day life, vast sums of money, all perfectly normal paupers, nothing to see here, just a small everyday multi million pound legal case involving young girls, trafficking, drugs, secret meetings. And it's all supposed to be sorted by stumping up cash.
Technically all 'above board' and 'entirely normal' from a certain angle. Which kind of makes it worse. |
The reign of this corrupt parasitic family shoulda ended with the Queen.
At least up to the point she bailed her child abusing son out to the tune of 12 million she managed to show a bit of decorum and was respected by the majority of the country.
The generations that follow her just seem like a waste of space.
Time to get rid |  | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:12 - Feb 9 with 684 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 12:55 - Feb 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Cash is what she was asking for. Nothing else. The other stuff is for criminal prosecution. About which there are very valid questions. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:56]
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But the fact that they paid points to something and though a common thing in such circumstances it can and will be interpreted as something. They wouldn't pay me if I asked for a few million! But I do get that it's not specifically 'hush money' you are correct, and it is common. It just stinks. All of it. And everyone knows it. | | | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:21 - Feb 9 with 650 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:01 - Feb 9 by leitrimblue |
The reign of this corrupt parasitic family shoulda ended with the Queen.
At least up to the point she bailed her child abusing son out to the tune of 12 million she managed to show a bit of decorum and was respected by the majority of the country.
The generations that follow her just seem like a waste of space.
Time to get rid |
You keep using terms like "child abusing son" and "multiple child abuser". There is absolutely no evidence that Mountbatten abused any children or women under the age of consent. There has been absolutely nothing in the Epstein files to suggest that Mountbatten has had ex with a minor.
As Zombies has already posted. the only person named to have had sex with Andrew is Virginia Giuffre, who was 17 at the time and the alleged seual relations took place in London, where the age of consent is 16.
None of this is a defence of Mountbatten. It's alleged that he had sex with a seventeen year old who was trafficked. That constitutes rape. Mountbatten is a vile and disgusting excuse for a human being. He used his position to illicit sex with a vulnerable young woman and was a friend of a convicted paedophile. If he fell off his horse tomorrow and broke his neck I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over him.
He was close enough to Epstein to have known exactly what was going on, and if he had a shred of decency in him he would voluntarily give a statement to the US authorities in oder to help them with their investigations. And if he is guilty of committing any crime then he should feel the full force of the law.
But it's impossible for people have a nuanced and mature debate about this issue when people like you throw around the words "child abuser" or VT calls anyone who supports the monarchy as a "nonce apologist".
edit. Hello VT. Instead of giving a cowardly downvote, why don't you find the courage to publicly justify libeling people on this forum as "nonce apologisers"? [Post edited 10 Feb 9:59]
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:27 - Feb 9 with 620 views | leitrimblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:21 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
You keep using terms like "child abusing son" and "multiple child abuser". There is absolutely no evidence that Mountbatten abused any children or women under the age of consent. There has been absolutely nothing in the Epstein files to suggest that Mountbatten has had ex with a minor.
As Zombies has already posted. the only person named to have had sex with Andrew is Virginia Giuffre, who was 17 at the time and the alleged seual relations took place in London, where the age of consent is 16.
None of this is a defence of Mountbatten. It's alleged that he had sex with a seventeen year old who was trafficked. That constitutes rape. Mountbatten is a vile and disgusting excuse for a human being. He used his position to illicit sex with a vulnerable young woman and was a friend of a convicted paedophile. If he fell off his horse tomorrow and broke his neck I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over him.
He was close enough to Epstein to have known exactly what was going on, and if he had a shred of decency in him he would voluntarily give a statement to the US authorities in oder to help them with their investigations. And if he is guilty of committing any crime then he should feel the full force of the law.
But it's impossible for people have a nuanced and mature debate about this issue when people like you throw around the words "child abuser" or VT calls anyone who supports the monarchy as a "nonce apologist".
edit. Hello VT. Instead of giving a cowardly downvote, why don't you find the courage to publicly justify libeling people on this forum as "nonce apologisers"? [Post edited 10 Feb 9:59]
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Sorry, will change child abuser for man who had sex with a vulnerable trafficked teenager and good friend of a convicted paedophile if it makes you feel any better?
But let's not feck around, he's a beast who's family have helped shield him from justice | | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:27 - Feb 9 with 608 views | lowhouseblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:21 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
You keep using terms like "child abusing son" and "multiple child abuser". There is absolutely no evidence that Mountbatten abused any children or women under the age of consent. There has been absolutely nothing in the Epstein files to suggest that Mountbatten has had ex with a minor.
As Zombies has already posted. the only person named to have had sex with Andrew is Virginia Giuffre, who was 17 at the time and the alleged seual relations took place in London, where the age of consent is 16.
None of this is a defence of Mountbatten. It's alleged that he had sex with a seventeen year old who was trafficked. That constitutes rape. Mountbatten is a vile and disgusting excuse for a human being. He used his position to illicit sex with a vulnerable young woman and was a friend of a convicted paedophile. If he fell off his horse tomorrow and broke his neck I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over him.
He was close enough to Epstein to have known exactly what was going on, and if he had a shred of decency in him he would voluntarily give a statement to the US authorities in oder to help them with their investigations. And if he is guilty of committing any crime then he should feel the full force of the law.
But it's impossible for people have a nuanced and mature debate about this issue when people like you throw around the words "child abuser" or VT calls anyone who supports the monarchy as a "nonce apologist".
edit. Hello VT. Instead of giving a cowardly downvote, why don't you find the courage to publicly justify libeling people on this forum as "nonce apologisers"? [Post edited 10 Feb 9:59]
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a nuanced and mature debate isn't what its about. its about creating a division and baiting people who aren't on their side of it. otherwise i fail to see why labelling andrew as a rapist, which is what all the evidence points to, wouldn't be enough | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:32 - Feb 9 with 587 views | J2BLUE |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:21 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
You keep using terms like "child abusing son" and "multiple child abuser". There is absolutely no evidence that Mountbatten abused any children or women under the age of consent. There has been absolutely nothing in the Epstein files to suggest that Mountbatten has had ex with a minor.
As Zombies has already posted. the only person named to have had sex with Andrew is Virginia Giuffre, who was 17 at the time and the alleged seual relations took place in London, where the age of consent is 16.
None of this is a defence of Mountbatten. It's alleged that he had sex with a seventeen year old who was trafficked. That constitutes rape. Mountbatten is a vile and disgusting excuse for a human being. He used his position to illicit sex with a vulnerable young woman and was a friend of a convicted paedophile. If he fell off his horse tomorrow and broke his neck I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over him.
He was close enough to Epstein to have known exactly what was going on, and if he had a shred of decency in him he would voluntarily give a statement to the US authorities in oder to help them with their investigations. And if he is guilty of committing any crime then he should feel the full force of the law.
But it's impossible for people have a nuanced and mature debate about this issue when people like you throw around the words "child abuser" or VT calls anyone who supports the monarchy as a "nonce apologist".
edit. Hello VT. Instead of giving a cowardly downvote, why don't you find the courage to publicly justify libeling people on this forum as "nonce apologisers"? [Post edited 10 Feb 9:59]
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It seems you only need a brief mention in the files to be guilty of all sorts of things.
No doubt a lot of disturbing things occurred but I am not a fan of this trial by social media. I saw one comment on Youtube that said if you are mentioned in these files you are guilty until proven innocent. Which says it all really. |  |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:38 - Feb 9 with 533 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:27 - Feb 9 by leitrimblue |
Sorry, will change child abuser for man who had sex with a vulnerable trafficked teenager and good friend of a convicted paedophile if it makes you feel any better?
But let's not feck around, he's a beast who's family have helped shield him from justice |
It's not about making me feel better. It's about using the appropriate language that will allow a sensible debate so that people will join in without being accused of being "nonce apologists" and suchlike. | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:38 - Feb 9 with 543 views | leitrimblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:32 - Feb 9 by J2BLUE |
It seems you only need a brief mention in the files to be guilty of all sorts of things.
No doubt a lot of disturbing things occurred but I am not a fan of this trial by social media. I saw one comment on Youtube that said if you are mentioned in these files you are guilty until proven innocent. Which says it all really. |
Though randy Andy ( is it OK to call him that?  ) is clearly as guilty as sin | | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:39 - Feb 9 with 531 views | J2BLUE |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:38 - Feb 9 by leitrimblue |
Though randy Andy ( is it OK to call him that? ) is clearly as guilty as sin |
Definitely a wrong un. | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 14:30 - Feb 9 with 446 views | WeWereZombies |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:38 - Feb 9 by leitrimblue |
Though randy Andy ( is it OK to call him that? ) is clearly as guilty as sin |
His guilt does need to be established in a court of law though... |  |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 14:34 - Feb 9 with 429 views | Blueschev |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:38 - Feb 9 by leitrimblue |
Though randy Andy ( is it OK to call him that? ) is clearly as guilty as sin |
It's the one title he's not been stripped of. |  | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 14:52 - Feb 9 with 364 views | GlasgowBlue |
Quite right too. | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 15:05 - Feb 9 with 342 views | nrb1985 |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 14:52 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Quite right too. |
sounds like OSA does apply then - which, if in breach, carries up to a 2 year custodial sentence.
From the Beeb article:
Official terms of reference for trade envoys state that they "are not civil servants", adding: "However, the role of a Trade Envoy carries with it a duty of confidentiality in relation to information received. This may include sensitive, commercial, or political information shared about relevant markets/visits.
"This duty of confidentiality will continue to apply after the expiry of their term of office. In addition, the Official Secrets Acts 1911 and 1989 will apply." | | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 15:09 - Feb 9 with 323 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 15:05 - Feb 9 by nrb1985 |
sounds like OSA does apply then - which, if in breach, carries up to a 2 year custodial sentence.
From the Beeb article:
Official terms of reference for trade envoys state that they "are not civil servants", adding: "However, the role of a Trade Envoy carries with it a duty of confidentiality in relation to information received. This may include sensitive, commercial, or political information shared about relevant markets/visits.
"This duty of confidentiality will continue to apply after the expiry of their term of office. In addition, the Official Secrets Acts 1911 and 1989 will apply." |
My view has always been that there is a shortage of evidence of any knowing criminality re andrew and guifre etc. Passing on confidential documents warrants serious investigation. | |
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| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 15:16 - Feb 9 with 301 views | leitrimblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 14:30 - Feb 9 by WeWereZombies |
His guilt does need to be established in a court of law though... |
Feck that, good ol cowboy style lynching is what he needs. | | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 15:17 - Feb 9 with 296 views | leitrimblue |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 13:38 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not about making me feel better. It's about using the appropriate language that will allow a sensible debate so that people will join in without being accused of being "nonce apologists" and suchlike. |
I'm not sure it so inappropriate to refer to a man who had a vulnerable teenage girl trafficked around the world for his sexual gratification a child abuser.
But in order to allow a sensible debate I'm happy to refer to him as the nonce that had a vulnerable teenage victim of an elite sex trafficking gang shipped across the world for his sexual gratification.
You should probably discuss the 'nonce apologist' issue with whoever it was who used that term. | | | |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 16:10 - Feb 9 with 194 views | Guthrum |
| Andrew emails as Envoy to Epstein on 10:14 - Feb 9 by WeWereZombies |
'it looks like one rule for them and another for everyone else.'
Well that's exactly what our constitutional monarchy is:
'However, three important factors distinguish monarchies such as the United Kingdom from systems where greater power might otherwise rest with Parliament. These are:
The royal prerogative, under which the monarch may exercise power under certain very limited circumstances
Sovereign immunity, under which the monarch may do no wrong under the law because the responsible government is instead deemed accountable
The immunity of the monarch from some taxation or restrictions on property use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ' |
Privilege - literally "private law", from the Latin. |  |
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