| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" 17:03 - Feb 17 with 4236 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Not sure this has already been posted, but perfectly played by the Sky News reporter.
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:25 - Feb 18 with 610 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 10:29 - Feb 18 by OldFart71 |
It amazes me that the first thing that came out after Sir Jim mentioned the colonisation by immigrants was that he had gone to Monaco to save on taxes so how could he say that when he had moved abroad.
Therefore the emphasis wasn't particularly on what he had said but what he had done.
As for highly offensive I believe he was taken out of context in that he wasn't referring to all immigrants including those that had come here via legal means or those born to families who had been here a very long time.
He was highlighting a problem and whether you, I or anyone else like it or not we have a very serious problem with illegal immigration. Not just the huge costs estimated at £40,000 per immigrant per year but the fact that our infrastructure cannot cope. Facilities such as the NHS, housing etc.
We have a huge amount of people under the age of 24 who cannot get jobs, millions on benefits long term paying nothing into the system and in some cases getting a lot more or a similar amount to people working.
Our roads are full of potholes and the ability to access doctors and dentists is very difficult.
Our large industries have all but disappeared and people are being laid off work at the same time as the government's tax take is the highest since after WW2.
I agree that the way Ratcliffe said what he said was not thought through and yes his figures were incorrect. But as a Country that is frankly going down the pan and has been for 30 years or so something has to be done to stop the rot. |
Didn't check who i was replying to before i did it - you are wrong on so many levels and it is pointless interacting with you.
Naturally you would use the high end, largely disputed figure of 40k per year, without referencing the fact that the average immigrant will contribute circa 260k to the public purse across their lifetime... |  |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:29 - Feb 18 with 594 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 21:07 - Feb 17 by Guthrum |
However, being means tested, it is a lot more equitable than the raft of sales taxes, duties and flat-rate poll taxes which were used previous to that. |
Sorry, are you suggesting theft is equitable? |  | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:32 - Feb 18 with 581 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 09:46 - Feb 18 by Guthrum |
People like Ratcliffe have blood on their hands.
Young friend of mine lost his battle against mental health issues a couple of days ago, while scumbag tax avoiders like "Sir Jim" have been deliberately starving the NHS of funds, out of greed and selfishness. |
I'm not being an apologist for SJR, but that is a leap to claim he is responsible for someone's own actions. Hyperbole of that nature is unbecoming of you. Sorry for your horrible loss. | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:41 - Feb 18 with 551 views | J2BLUE |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:32 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
I'm not being an apologist for SJR, but that is a leap to claim he is responsible for someone's own actions. Hyperbole of that nature is unbecoming of you. Sorry for your horrible loss. |
The point is that if people like Ratty paid their fair share of taxes in the UK there would be more money available to pay for more support.
So he's not personally 100% liable but he is partly to blame for the state of the UK's finances. |  |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:44 - Feb 18 with 537 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:41 - Feb 18 by J2BLUE |
The point is that if people like Ratty paid their fair share of taxes in the UK there would be more money available to pay for more support.
So he's not personally 100% liable but he is partly to blame for the state of the UK's finances. |
Along with all on benefits, cash in hand workers, those who buy knocked off goods. Why are you so keen to pay tax? It is theft with threat of violence. | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:51 - Feb 18 with 507 views | J2BLUE |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:44 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
Along with all on benefits, cash in hand workers, those who buy knocked off goods. Why are you so keen to pay tax? It is theft with threat of violence. |
Because I am a grown up. It's the bargain price of being a UK citizen. It pays for healthcare, a safety net if I should ever lose my job, national defence and much more.
If the small minority of people on benefits are cheating the system and getting 25k a year they would need to be on benefits for 40 years to cost £1m (excluding inflation but you get my point).
Ratty has avoided £4bn in tax.
Four billion is 4000x1,000,000. That is a lot of extra NHS staff, teachers and army salaries etc
Who pays the bills of the nation if you don't want to pay income tax? | |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:54 - Feb 18 with 484 views | Guthrum |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:32 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
I'm not being an apologist for SJR, but that is a leap to claim he is responsible for someone's own actions. Hyperbole of that nature is unbecoming of you. Sorry for your horrible loss. |
Better mental health provision might have saved his life, rather than his parents having to carry the burden. Mental health services have been cut drastically over the last few decades, mainly due to lack of funds.
Funds which people like Ratcliffe have been denying the country through his tax avoidance. There is a clear chain of responsibility. Plus he's mates with low-tax, cut-the-services politicians like Farage and his ex-Conservative clique. |  |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:01 - Feb 18 with 461 views | nrb1985 |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 17:49 - Feb 17 by OldFart71 |
Jim Ratcliffe moved to Monaco in 2020 during covid aged 67. Lewis Hamilton moved to Monaco in 2012 having moved to Switzerland in 2007.
One is seen as a villain because he moved to Monaco after paying multi millions in tax.
The other is seen as a hero being 22 when he moved there.
Could there be a reason other than tax avoidance that they are seen totally differently. |
Lewis Hamilton also spends about 9-10 months of the year on the road...
Not sure what your point is here? [Post edited 18 Feb 13:46]
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:05 - Feb 18 with 446 views | nrb1985 |
I agree with much of the sentiments directed to SJR are on here and in the media in general - somebody did post though the corporation tax INEOS pays recently and it is a staggering amount - close to £70m. On top of whatever NI contributions they make etc etc.
He is deplorable and what he said is pretty disgusting in my view - but he's not paying zero tax in the UK so to speak.
Again, to underline, that doesn't make what he said any less unacceptable IMO before I get shot to pieces on here! | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:11 - Feb 18 with 427 views | Guthrum |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 11:44 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
Along with all on benefits, cash in hand workers, those who buy knocked off goods. Why are you so keen to pay tax? It is theft with threat of violence. |
Depends whether you like living in a civilised society or not. Much like the "What have the Romans ever done for us?" sketch, tax is the price we pay for being defended, provided with infrastructure, the frameworks to conduct trade and business, looked after when sick or fallen on hard times. All with a massive discount for economies of scale. It's been the basic pattern for human communities for thousands of years.
Advocates of individualism are trading on lies. Alone, you are subject to every predator - human, animal, biological - to starvation, to weather, to mishap. This idea of hardy American frontiersmen standing on their own two feet is rubbish, promoted by fiction. They worked with the natives, they banded together - or they died. They created communities, with laws and taxes, because that is simply what works. | |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:24 - Feb 18 with 395 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:11 - Feb 18 by Guthrum |
Depends whether you like living in a civilised society or not. Much like the "What have the Romans ever done for us?" sketch, tax is the price we pay for being defended, provided with infrastructure, the frameworks to conduct trade and business, looked after when sick or fallen on hard times. All with a massive discount for economies of scale. It's been the basic pattern for human communities for thousands of years.
Advocates of individualism are trading on lies. Alone, you are subject to every predator - human, animal, biological - to starvation, to weather, to mishap. This idea of hardy American frontiersmen standing on their own two feet is rubbish, promoted by fiction. They worked with the natives, they banded together - or they died. They created communities, with laws and taxes, because that is simply what works. |
Or is the only system you know and better to stick to what you've been told is good for you. We won't agree on this particular area. But that is what makes the world go round | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:25 - Feb 18 with 389 views | J2BLUE |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:24 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
Or is the only system you know and better to stick to what you've been told is good for you. We won't agree on this particular area. But that is what makes the world go round |
What's the alternative? | |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:34 - Feb 18 with 370 views | iamatractorboy |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:24 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
Or is the only system you know and better to stick to what you've been told is good for you. We won't agree on this particular area. But that is what makes the world go round |
Do you use the pavements to walk round your local area? Do you want someone in a booth at the end of your street taking a toll each time you pop to the shop for some milk? How about when you take your car out? Ever visited the doctors? Ever had a meal out - were you grateful the kitchen had had health inspections? Bloody hell I could go on all day but you get the idea. | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:34 - Feb 18 with 369 views | DJR |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:01 - Feb 18 by nrb1985 |
Lewis Hamilton also spends about 9-10 months of the year on the road...
Not sure what your point is here? [Post edited 18 Feb 13:46]
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Indeed not being in the UK for 183 days or more in a tax year removes the automatic rule that a person is UK resident for tax purposes.
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:37 - Feb 18 with 355 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:05 - Feb 18 by nrb1985 |
I agree with much of the sentiments directed to SJR are on here and in the media in general - somebody did post though the corporation tax INEOS pays recently and it is a staggering amount - close to £70m. On top of whatever NI contributions they make etc etc.
He is deplorable and what he said is pretty disgusting in my view - but he's not paying zero tax in the UK so to speak.
Again, to underline, that doesn't make what he said any less unacceptable IMO before I get shot to pieces on here! |
Paid 70m but have taken up to 195m from the public finances, and will undoubtedly be asking for money towards the new Man U stadium.
The fact he's paid 70m does not excuse him for his comments, or the fact that he has avoided paying an estimated 4 billion in tax personally, since he moved to Monaco. | |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:46 - Feb 18 with 325 views | nrb1985 |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:34 - Feb 18 by DJR |
Indeed not being in the UK for 183 days or more in a tax year removes the automatic rule that a person is UK resident for tax purposes.
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Agree.
And, what would be the point in setting yourself up in a high tax jurisdiction like the UK if you're never here to enjoy any of the aspects of UK life that make the tax trade off worthwhile.
On a somewhat related note, and back to our original tête-à-tête (!!), funnily enough, under the old non dom rules, lots of the F1 drivers did live here, in Oxfordshire, close to the various team HQs. Time will tell if scrapping the old regime will materialise into something beneficial or otherwise!
I'm glad we're all friends now though ; ) [Post edited 18 Feb 12:53]
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:49 - Feb 18 with 306 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:34 - Feb 18 by iamatractorboy |
Do you use the pavements to walk round your local area? Do you want someone in a booth at the end of your street taking a toll each time you pop to the shop for some milk? How about when you take your car out? Ever visited the doctors? Ever had a meal out - were you grateful the kitchen had had health inspections? Bloody hell I could go on all day but you get the idea. |
How well is that working? Pot holes everywhere, you can see a Doctor? Kitchens failing more often than not and still open just told to improve. Whilst all those things are supposed to work, do they? Do they really? | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:52 - Feb 18 with 294 views | nrb1985 |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:37 - Feb 18 by JammyDodgerrr |
Paid 70m but have taken up to 195m from the public finances, and will undoubtedly be asking for money towards the new Man U stadium.
The fact he's paid 70m does not excuse him for his comments, or the fact that he has avoided paying an estimated 4 billion in tax personally, since he moved to Monaco. |
"The fact he's paid 70m does not excuse him for his comments, or the fact that he has avoided paying an estimated 4 billion in tax personally, since he moved to Monaco"
Nothing would excuse his comments but wherever you got that figure of £4bn from I would suggest is wildly overstating things.
He changed his residency in 2020 - which would mean his PERSONAL tax bill is £800m a year...noting that INEOS still pay UK corporation tax. | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:56 - Feb 18 with 277 views | leitrimblue |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:49 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
How well is that working? Pot holes everywhere, you can see a Doctor? Kitchens failing more often than not and still open just told to improve. Whilst all those things are supposed to work, do they? Do they really? |
Still waiting for you to put forward your alternative system..  |  | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:58 - Feb 18 with 270 views | Blueschev |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:05 - Feb 18 by nrb1985 |
I agree with much of the sentiments directed to SJR are on here and in the media in general - somebody did post though the corporation tax INEOS pays recently and it is a staggering amount - close to £70m. On top of whatever NI contributions they make etc etc.
He is deplorable and what he said is pretty disgusting in my view - but he's not paying zero tax in the UK so to speak.
Again, to underline, that doesn't make what he said any less unacceptable IMO before I get shot to pieces on here! |
The corporation tax INEOS pay is not his tax and shouldn't be regarded as such. That seems to be how the super rich justify their tax avoidance schemes and it's nonsense. |  | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:01 - Feb 18 with 257 views | Radlett_blue |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:58 - Feb 18 by Blueschev |
The corporation tax INEOS pay is not his tax and shouldn't be regarded as such. That seems to be how the super rich justify their tax avoidance schemes and it's nonsense. |
Please show me a super rich human who doesn't avoid tax.
Yes, I know once they start talking politics, they are seen as fair game. |  |
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| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:02 - Feb 18 with 253 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:56 - Feb 18 by leitrimblue |
Still waiting for you to put forward your alternative system.. |
On a football messageboard?
I don't think this is the place or the audience. Certainly there isn't enough time for me to lay it all out here. Suffice to say a large number of very smart people meet in Mexico every year and we go about establishing ourselves outside of the constraints you enjoy so much. | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:10 - Feb 18 with 231 views | leitrimblue |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:02 - Feb 18 by Tambu |
On a football messageboard?
I don't think this is the place or the audience. Certainly there isn't enough time for me to lay it all out here. Suffice to say a large number of very smart people meet in Mexico every year and we go about establishing ourselves outside of the constraints you enjoy so much. |
Waaaaaiiitttt a minute, you and your mates have all the answers, but yer just not willing to share um with us plebs? 
How do I get on this Mecico jolly?  | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:10 - Feb 18 with 230 views | nrb1985 |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 12:58 - Feb 18 by Blueschev |
The corporation tax INEOS pay is not his tax and shouldn't be regarded as such. That seems to be how the super rich justify their tax avoidance schemes and it's nonsense. |
We will have to agree to disagree on that Sir. | | | |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:13 - Feb 18 with 209 views | Tambu |
| Jim Ratcliffe "UK Tax System Refugee" on 13:10 - Feb 18 by leitrimblue |
Waaaaaiiitttt a minute, you and your mates have all the answers, but yer just not willing to share um with us plebs?
How do I get on this Mecico jolly? |
Very willing to share, please don't use misrepresentation on what I said. I'm sure you can use Google to find out how to visit such a large gathering. However I do sense that you have a quite mocking tone, so I do feel disinclined to present you with information you feel you know better than. | | | |
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