| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they 13:16 - Mar 6 with 937 views | jasondozzell |
It's cultural vandalism.
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 13:39 - Mar 6 with 846 views | Illinoisblue |
The soulless scum in suits looked at football, were wowed by the passion, the drama, the spontaneity, and said, let’s scrap all that and focus on making the game a made-for-TV spectacle. |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 13:54 - Mar 6 with 785 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You mean salary caps and all the teams fighting for one tournament prize that has not changed since the merger in the 1960s? No new competitions or made up ones. Equal revenue sharing across the league?
I very much doubt it but thought it would be welcomed by open arms by those on TWTD! |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:17 - Mar 6 with 710 views | StokieBlue |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 13:54 - Mar 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You mean salary caps and all the teams fighting for one tournament prize that has not changed since the merger in the 1960s? No new competitions or made up ones. Equal revenue sharing across the league?
I very much doubt it but thought it would be welcomed by open arms by those on TWTD! |
You've cherry picked the bits you want.
What about organising the entire match around the needs of TV companies and advertisers? What about the constant adverts at every single opportunity? What about the fact everything is a franchise and can be moved to any other city at any point?
It's fine to point out the stuff you have but you should also provide the balance. Nothing actually wrong with American Football of course, they are different games with different setups.
I think the fact that things seem to be changed just for the world cup is what annoys people.
SB [Post edited 6 Mar 14:20]
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:26 - Mar 6 with 677 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:17 - Mar 6 by StokieBlue |
You've cherry picked the bits you want.
What about organising the entire match around the needs of TV companies and advertisers? What about the constant adverts at every single opportunity? What about the fact everything is a franchise and can be moved to any other city at any point?
It's fine to point out the stuff you have but you should also provide the balance. Nothing actually wrong with American Football of course, they are different games with different setups.
I think the fact that things seem to be changed just for the world cup is what annoys people.
SB [Post edited 6 Mar 14:20]
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Well those things are pretty big deals considering they are fundamentals of the game.
What about organising the entire match around the needs of TV companies and advertisers?
- Outside of Christmas. the NFL Regular Season has kept a much more set schedule of games compared to the movements of the EPL and EFL kick offs. With the 1pm and 4pm EST slate of games every Sunday and the regular primetime slots. Also a lot more traditions are kept over here, such as Thanksgiving home teams, compared to say the FA Cup being diminished in England.
What about the constant adverts at every single opportunity?
- Not exactly new and it obviously related to the game not having continuous half's (or in this case quarters). Are they stopping games and doing ad breaks now in England? If so I have missed it.
What about the fact everything is a franchise and can be moved to any other city at any point?
- What English teams are doing this?
You can't be an expert on everything SB, sorry!! [Post edited 6 Mar 14:28]
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:29 - Mar 6 with 648 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 13:39 - Mar 6 by Illinoisblue |
The soulless scum in suits looked at football, were wowed by the passion, the drama, the spontaneity, and said, let’s scrap all that and focus on making the game a made-for-TV spectacle. |
Yeah the atmosphere in PL football is so poor compared to the NFL now. | |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:31 - Mar 6 with 626 views | StokieBlue |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:26 - Mar 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Well those things are pretty big deals considering they are fundamentals of the game.
What about organising the entire match around the needs of TV companies and advertisers?
- Outside of Christmas. the NFL Regular Season has kept a much more set schedule of games compared to the movements of the EPL and EFL kick offs. With the 1pm and 4pm EST slate of games every Sunday and the regular primetime slots. Also a lot more traditions are kept over here, such as Thanksgiving home teams, compared to say the FA Cup being diminished in England.
What about the constant adverts at every single opportunity?
- Not exactly new and it obviously related to the game not having continuous half's (or in this case quarters). Are they stopping games and doing ad breaks now in England? If so I have missed it.
What about the fact everything is a franchise and can be moved to any other city at any point?
- What English teams are doing this?
You can't be an expert on everything SB, sorry!! [Post edited 6 Mar 14:28]
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I think you've missed the point of the thread, apologies if that is no the case.
He's talking about the world cup specifically, not the game in England which I think has caused some confusion.
So the proposal for the world cup is to stop the game at the half-way point in each half for a drink break regardless of weather conditions. This is clearly so they can pre-sell the rights and shoehorn in an ad-break midway through the half [1].
Essentially turning every match into a match of 4 quarters with extra adverts.
That was my point, they are changing the world cup to be more in line with the worse elements of gridiron. Nobody said there was anything wrong with the NFL, just that there is no need to change the structure of football matches to make it more like the NFL for this tournament just because it's in the US.
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[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/fo [Post edited 6 Mar 14:32]
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:34 - Mar 6 with 615 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:31 - Mar 6 by StokieBlue |
I think you've missed the point of the thread, apologies if that is no the case.
He's talking about the world cup specifically, not the game in England which I think has caused some confusion.
So the proposal for the world cup is to stop the game at the half-way point in each half for a drink break regardless of weather conditions. This is clearly so they can pre-sell the rights and shoehorn in an ad-break midway through the half [1].
Essentially turning every match into a match of 4 quarters with extra adverts.
That was my point, they are changing the world cup to be more in line with the worse elements of gridiron. Nobody said there was anything wrong with the NFL, just that there is no need to change the structure of football matches to make it more like the NFL for this tournament just because it's in the US.
SB
[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/fo [Post edited 6 Mar 14:32]
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Oh I did completely miss that, he should have probably said they are trying to turn the World Cup into the NFL then.
In terms of this summer, the conditions will be very unfavorable for any outside games for sure, Seattle and Vancouver might be ok. | |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:39 - Mar 6 with 587 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:31 - Mar 6 by StokieBlue |
I think you've missed the point of the thread, apologies if that is no the case.
He's talking about the world cup specifically, not the game in England which I think has caused some confusion.
So the proposal for the world cup is to stop the game at the half-way point in each half for a drink break regardless of weather conditions. This is clearly so they can pre-sell the rights and shoehorn in an ad-break midway through the half [1].
Essentially turning every match into a match of 4 quarters with extra adverts.
That was my point, they are changing the world cup to be more in line with the worse elements of gridiron. Nobody said there was anything wrong with the NFL, just that there is no need to change the structure of football matches to make it more like the NFL for this tournament just because it's in the US.
SB
[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/fo [Post edited 6 Mar 14:32]
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To be fair, if the OP doesnt want people to miss the point of the thread, he should at least attempt to make his point in his post!! |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:48 - Mar 6 with 542 views | StokieBlue |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:39 - Mar 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
To be fair, if the OP doesnt want people to miss the point of the thread, he should at least attempt to make his point in his post!! |
Agreed, it wasn't the best post, I only knew the context as I had read about it!
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:56 - Mar 6 with 506 views | bluejacko |
It’s happening in the 6 nations,a few times when the teams were preparing for a scrum they split the screen for adverts one side! If they got no reaction you can bet ITV will do it for the WC. |  | | |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:59 - Mar 6 with 491 views | vapour_trail |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:56 - Mar 6 by bluejacko |
It’s happening in the 6 nations,a few times when the teams were preparing for a scrum they split the screen for adverts one side! If they got no reaction you can bet ITV will do it for the WC. |
That has really annoyed me.
This summers World Cup will set a precedent I’m willing to bet. All future fifa organised tournaments will be staged in quarters rather than halves to increase revenue streams.
No way they row back from something like this. |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:12 - Mar 6 with 457 views | bsw72 |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:17 - Mar 6 by StokieBlue |
You've cherry picked the bits you want.
What about organising the entire match around the needs of TV companies and advertisers? What about the constant adverts at every single opportunity? What about the fact everything is a franchise and can be moved to any other city at any point?
It's fine to point out the stuff you have but you should also provide the balance. Nothing actually wrong with American Football of course, they are different games with different setups.
I think the fact that things seem to be changed just for the world cup is what annoys people.
SB [Post edited 6 Mar 14:20]
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You know that the structure of an American Football match pre-dates TV coverage - it moved to 4 x 15 min quarters from 2 x halves around 1910 at college level and when NFL started ~1920 the professional game adopted the 4 x 15mins as standard.
It just happens the game is well suited for TV coverage with frequent breaks for ads, but a match has not fundamentally changed it's structure.
The one thing I would say about NFL, is that when the game started to get stifled by overly defensive and cautious teams in the late 1960s / early 1970s the league made a number of adaptive rule changes designed to favour more offensive play and make the game more entertaining - result was increased scoring, bigger plays and happier crowds in the stadium and on TV. Major changes since then have been focussed on player safety.
Maybe FIFA could learn a few things about how the NFL run the league, as their focus is on player safety and entertainment. These days the NFL now drives TV companies more than TV companies drive the NFL, even though broadcasters still exert meaningful influence over presentation and scheduling at the margins. Obviously there is a significant difference with scale and spread - and allows for multi level corruption in Association Football. |  | | |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:17 - Mar 6 with 437 views | Deano69 |
Yep. Adverts while decisions being made, 90 minute game will take 2 and a half hours eventually |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:21 - Mar 6 with 418 views | Blue_Moses |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:59 - Mar 6 by vapour_trail |
That has really annoyed me.
This summers World Cup will set a precedent I’m willing to bet. All future fifa organised tournaments will be staged in quarters rather than halves to increase revenue streams.
No way they row back from something like this. |
The drinks break already splits the games into quarters | | | |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:25 - Mar 6 with 409 views | StokieBlue |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:12 - Mar 6 by bsw72 |
You know that the structure of an American Football match pre-dates TV coverage - it moved to 4 x 15 min quarters from 2 x halves around 1910 at college level and when NFL started ~1920 the professional game adopted the 4 x 15mins as standard.
It just happens the game is well suited for TV coverage with frequent breaks for ads, but a match has not fundamentally changed it's structure.
The one thing I would say about NFL, is that when the game started to get stifled by overly defensive and cautious teams in the late 1960s / early 1970s the league made a number of adaptive rule changes designed to favour more offensive play and make the game more entertaining - result was increased scoring, bigger plays and happier crowds in the stadium and on TV. Major changes since then have been focussed on player safety.
Maybe FIFA could learn a few things about how the NFL run the league, as their focus is on player safety and entertainment. These days the NFL now drives TV companies more than TV companies drive the NFL, even though broadcasters still exert meaningful influence over presentation and scheduling at the margins. Obviously there is a significant difference with scale and spread - and allows for multi level corruption in Association Football. |
My post was specifically in regards to the context which has been later explained - the upcoming world cup.
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:27 - Mar 6 with 401 views | bsw72 |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:31 - Mar 6 by StokieBlue |
I think you've missed the point of the thread, apologies if that is no the case.
He's talking about the world cup specifically, not the game in England which I think has caused some confusion.
So the proposal for the world cup is to stop the game at the half-way point in each half for a drink break regardless of weather conditions. This is clearly so they can pre-sell the rights and shoehorn in an ad-break midway through the half [1].
Essentially turning every match into a match of 4 quarters with extra adverts.
That was my point, they are changing the world cup to be more in line with the worse elements of gridiron. Nobody said there was anything wrong with the NFL, just that there is no need to change the structure of football matches to make it more like the NFL for this tournament just because it's in the US.
SB
[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/fo [Post edited 6 Mar 14:32]
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Nothing really to do with being played in the USA or the NFL - just because that happens to be played in 4 x quarters and the WC hosted in the USA this time around - water breaks were first introduced in 2014 World Cup and have been pretty much the norm for summer / hot weather tournaments since.
The difference this time is that control of when and how long has been taken away from the referee, and due to the fixed nature FIFA are looking to monetise the break. | | | |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:31 - Mar 6 with 382 views | bsw72 |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:25 - Mar 6 by StokieBlue |
My post was specifically in regards to the context which has been later explained - the upcoming world cup.
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But as per my other reply, this is just formalizing and monetizing something which has been happening since 2014, I don't think the NFL comparison has any relevance.
I don't remember the same comparison when hockey went from 2 x 35 min halves to 4 x 15 min quarters, which was a far more fundamental change to the game than just an additional water break during which adverts are being shown. | | | |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:35 - Mar 6 with 358 views | Illinoisblue |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:26 - Mar 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Well those things are pretty big deals considering they are fundamentals of the game.
What about organising the entire match around the needs of TV companies and advertisers?
- Outside of Christmas. the NFL Regular Season has kept a much more set schedule of games compared to the movements of the EPL and EFL kick offs. With the 1pm and 4pm EST slate of games every Sunday and the regular primetime slots. Also a lot more traditions are kept over here, such as Thanksgiving home teams, compared to say the FA Cup being diminished in England.
What about the constant adverts at every single opportunity?
- Not exactly new and it obviously related to the game not having continuous half's (or in this case quarters). Are they stopping games and doing ad breaks now in England? If so I have missed it.
What about the fact everything is a franchise and can be moved to any other city at any point?
- What English teams are doing this?
You can't be an expert on everything SB, sorry!! [Post edited 6 Mar 14:28]
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It’s a fair point about scheduling. For the most part, the unwritten rule of Friday nights for high school, Saturdays for College, and Sundays for NFL is pretty well adhered to. Which is to be applauded. (Albeit some college games are creeping into the Friday night slot). | |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:38 - Mar 6 with 329 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:17 - Mar 6 by Deano69 |
Yep. Adverts while decisions being made, 90 minute game will take 2 and a half hours eventually |
Ah, so thats why they brought VAR in!
I knew there must be a reason, it has no other use! | |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:40 - Mar 6 with 318 views | Scuzzer |
Who are? |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:43 - Mar 6 with 309 views | Blue_Moses |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:40 - Mar 6 by Scuzzer |
Who are? |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 15:54 - Mar 6 with 287 views | Ftnfwest |
'Extra Time Multi Ball' |  | | |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 16:59 - Mar 6 with 204 views | BlueBadger |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:29 - Mar 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yeah the atmosphere in PL football is so poor compared to the NFL now. |
Pffft, yanks don't even know to sing at games unless there's some lads and lasses racing around on the touchline to get them going. |  |
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| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 19:40 - Mar 6 with 99 views | Illinoisblue |
| They're determined to turn football into the NFL aren't they on 14:29 - Mar 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yeah the atmosphere in PL football is so poor compared to the NFL now. |
Agree PL (apart from Leeds) sounds awful and dead. But not sure NFL crowds can be compared in the same way. | |
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