| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children 13:10 - Mar 9 with 2099 views | ElderGrizzly |
Israel have now killed just under 100 kids in Lebanon (so far).
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
And apparently Israel have started to make noises about Turkey being 'of concern'. Turkey being a member of NATO...
Edit/update: USA have now ordered Diplomats to leave Southern Turkey [Post edited 9 Mar 13:50]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:05 - Mar 10 with 530 views | NthQldITFC |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |
That is a term which has been applied to rulers and governments throughout history.
̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶i̶m̶p̶l̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶k̶e̶e̶p̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶t̶i̶-̶S̶e̶m̶i̶t̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶o̶r̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶v̶o̶i̶d̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶i̶f̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶t̶i̶c̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶I̶s̶r̶a̶e̶l̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶S̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶i̶r̶r̶e̶s̶p̶o̶n̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶,̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶m̶i̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶.̶
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It seems to me like a dangerous slope to disallow the use of generic phrases because they have been applied non-exclusively and unfairly to Jewish people in the past, in order to avoid justified criticism of Israel or the US and their irresponsible, criminal actions. [Post edited 10 Mar 10:00]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:05 - Mar 10 with 529 views | DJR |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |
I must admit I did blink when I saw it, and for the very reasons you mention. |  | | |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:11 - Mar 10 with 496 views | StokieBlue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |
Rubio let slip that the US were forced into this by Israel and the administration have been trying to roll it back since then when in reality he was speaking first and likely honestly.
Whilst you are absolutely correct that tropes should not be pushed including historically problematic language, in the specifics of this case I think there is a good argument to be made that Grizzly's usage is semantically correct in this instance, not all words can be banned because they have historically been used as a trope, in he's sentence his not misusing the word as a trope.
Certainly a debate can be had on that point rather than shutting it down based on language.
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:28 - Mar 10 with 423 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:05 - Mar 10 by NthQldITFC |
That is a term which has been applied to rulers and governments throughout history.
̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶i̶m̶p̶l̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶k̶e̶e̶p̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶t̶i̶-̶S̶e̶m̶i̶t̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶o̶r̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶v̶o̶i̶d̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶i̶f̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶t̶i̶c̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶I̶s̶r̶a̶e̶l̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶S̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶i̶r̶r̶e̶s̶p̶o̶n̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶,̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶m̶i̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶.̶
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It seems to me like a dangerous slope to disallow the use of generic phrases because they have been applied non-exclusively and unfairly to Jewish people in the past, in order to avoid justified criticism of Israel or the US and their irresponsible, criminal actions. [Post edited 10 Mar 10:00]
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You didn’t read what I posted did you?
“ In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories”.
There are literally pages upon pages of criticism of the Israeli state on this board. Most of which I agree with. Where am I shutting that down? EG used an anti semitic trope, I assume unintentionally, to double down on his previous false statement in his op. There were so many other ways to have addressed his mistake without using anti semiotic language.
I’m not saying “ saying everything is anti-Semitism in order to avoid justified criticism of Israel or the US and their irresponsible, criminal actions” and I’d be grateful if high would delete that spurious comment.
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:30 - Mar 10 with 408 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:05 - Mar 10 by DJR |
I must admit I did blink when I saw it, and for the very reasons you mention. |
I’m glad somebody noticed. | |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:38 - Mar 10 with 373 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |
So f.ucking predictable , Trump is having his strings pulled and you f.ucking know it, but don't let reality get in your way! It's almost like these definitions are designed to prevent criticism of the right wing Israeli state and to say what you see. |  |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:42 - Mar 10 with 373 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:11 - Mar 10 by StokieBlue |
Rubio let slip that the US were forced into this by Israel and the administration have been trying to roll it back since then when in reality he was speaking first and likely honestly.
Whilst you are absolutely correct that tropes should not be pushed including historically problematic language, in the specifics of this case I think there is a good argument to be made that Grizzly's usage is semantically correct in this instance, not all words can be banned because they have historically been used as a trope, in he's sentence his not misusing the word as a trope.
Certainly a debate can be had on that point rather than shutting it down based on language.
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Sadly, after reading this, I think I’ll withdraw my use of the word unintentional.
“ the use of the phrase "pulling the strings" or describing someone as a "puppet master" is widely considered an antisemitic trope when directed at Jewish individuals.”
Holocaust Encyclopedia
Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner Are both Jewish. EG knows this. I’m done for the day. The amount of mental gymnastics being performed by some posters to excuse the use of anti semitic tropes has really surprised me. We’ll see if EG’s posts are still here later. If if they are it will be very concerning.
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:20 - Mar 10 with 282 views | StokieBlue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:42 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Sadly, after reading this, I think I’ll withdraw my use of the word unintentional.
“ the use of the phrase "pulling the strings" or describing someone as a "puppet master" is widely considered an antisemitic trope when directed at Jewish individuals.”
Holocaust Encyclopedia
Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner Are both Jewish. EG knows this. I’m done for the day. The amount of mental gymnastics being performed by some posters to excuse the use of anti semitic tropes has really surprised me. We’ll see if EG’s posts are still here later. If if they are it will be very concerning.
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Are you accusing me of performing mental gymnastics?
You've replied to my post citing a post completely different post to my response which was clearly specifically about that instance given the evidence available. You've not addressed it in that context.
What word should we use when someone is forced into an action by the actions of another party?
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:24 - Mar 10 with 264 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:30 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m glad somebody noticed. |
I noticed it too but thought it an accurate description, is that ok with you? | |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:26 - Mar 10 with 254 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:42 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Sadly, after reading this, I think I’ll withdraw my use of the word unintentional.
“ the use of the phrase "pulling the strings" or describing someone as a "puppet master" is widely considered an antisemitic trope when directed at Jewish individuals.”
Holocaust Encyclopedia
Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner Are both Jewish. EG knows this. I’m done for the day. The amount of mental gymnastics being performed by some posters to excuse the use of anti semitic tropes has really surprised me. We’ll see if EG’s posts are still here later. If if they are it will be very concerning.
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We're all antisemites now!! Stop being such an arse. | |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:27 - Mar 10 with 250 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |
No, of course it wasn't said with any anti-semetic meaning.
Sometimes language can be used perfectly normally without the need to apologise as it was never the intent.
There is plenty of evidence that Israel has been pulling the strings/influencing here. They've even admitted sending Lyndsey Graham a 'script' to convince Trump to attack. | | | |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:31 - Mar 10 with 220 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:42 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Sadly, after reading this, I think I’ll withdraw my use of the word unintentional.
“ the use of the phrase "pulling the strings" or describing someone as a "puppet master" is widely considered an antisemitic trope when directed at Jewish individuals.”
Holocaust Encyclopedia
Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner Are both Jewish. EG knows this. I’m done for the day. The amount of mental gymnastics being performed by some posters to excuse the use of anti semitic tropes has really surprised me. We’ll see if EG’s posts are still here later. If if they are it will be very concerning.
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You really need to stop with the accusations.
As others have said, America is being dictated to by Israel. They've admitted it more than once both verbally and in their actions.
My language was meant as simple as someone influencing another. There was no greater thought into it. No anti-semitism.
Stop looking for something that isn't there, was clearly never the intention and trying to shut things down.
Edit: Just out of interest, I googled "pulling the strings, Trump and Israel"
Thousands of results, including journalists from the Guardian, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal just in the last week. Interspersing manipulation, pulling the strings, influencing etc.
Mainstream media, all using the same language perfectly legitimately and within context.
Should they all be shut down too? [Post edited 10 Mar 9:40]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:54 - Mar 10 with 153 views | NthQldITFC |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:28 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
You didn’t read what I posted did you?
“ In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories”.
There are literally pages upon pages of criticism of the Israeli state on this board. Most of which I agree with. Where am I shutting that down? EG used an anti semitic trope, I assume unintentionally, to double down on his previous false statement in his op. There were so many other ways to have addressed his mistake without using anti semiotic language.
I’m not saying “ saying everything is anti-Semitism in order to avoid justified criticism of Israel or the US and their irresponsible, criminal actions” and I’d be grateful if high would delete that spurious comment.
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I don't want to get into a slanging match GB, and I know that you disagree with a lot of Israeli and US stance and action and are much better informed on the whole thing than I, all I am saying is that 'puppet ruler', 'puppet state' and by extension 'puppeteer' is an age-old phrase that is not specific to the Israel and it's use can't be cancelled on that basis. That's just another way of shutting down justified criticism, a lot of which I know that you agree with.
I will certainly edit my second paragraph, and apologise for misrepresenting you. Sorry. | |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:12 - Mar 10 with 116 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |
It was reported over a week ago that the USA themselves said they were responding to Israel’s lead. That’s where the line about pre-emptive attacks came from. I’d argue that’s more than a shred of evidence. The word “Puppeteer” obviously has issues as you point out, but in light of Rubio’s comments could well be accurate in this particular case. EG has addressed what his intent was; I not commenting on that.
https://www.theguardian.com/us [Post edited 10 Mar 10:14]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:18 - Mar 10 with 98 views | Ryorry |
On BBCR4 news just now, the T.rump's latest piece of "intelligence" -
"The war with Iran is now almost complete".
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:36 - Mar 10 with 67 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:18 - Mar 10 by Ryorry |
On BBCR4 news just now, the T.rump's latest piece of "intelligence" -
"The war with Iran is now almost complete".
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I suppose if you start a war without an aim you can make up any old reason for why it’s been successful. It does beg the question what was the point? Regime still in tact, another hardliner in charge but now with an added chip on his shoulder. I suppose his oil exec backers will be happy with the price hikes if nothing else.
On the other hand, he’s a serial liar and also he may not be the one who gets to decide when it ends. | |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:48 - Mar 10 with 46 views | Ryorry |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:36 - Mar 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I suppose if you start a war without an aim you can make up any old reason for why it’s been successful. It does beg the question what was the point? Regime still in tact, another hardliner in charge but now with an added chip on his shoulder. I suppose his oil exec backers will be happy with the price hikes if nothing else.
On the other hand, he’s a serial liar and also he may not be the one who gets to decide when it ends. |
He opened Pandora's Box. No-one can possibly know or predict with any certainty where it will end.
Good point about his oil-loving mates - wonder how many shares the orange turd has. The one thing even I predicted at minute 1 of Day 1 of the war was a massive hoick in oil prices. | |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:50 - Mar 10 with 40 views | DJR |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 09:24 - Mar 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I noticed it too but thought it an accurate description, is that ok with you? |
In my view it is not an accurate description.
The US has been a staunch supporter of Israel from its creation, and during the Gaza war under both Biden and Trump has supplied billions of dollars in weapons.
What we now have is a US President willing to go militarily after arguably the three biggest bogeymen for the Republican right, namely, Venezuela, Cuba and Iran.
It seems to me therefore that the interests of Trump and Netanyahu are completely in step., and Trump wouldn't have moved a vast amount of military resources to the Middle East just for fun. And I don't believe Netanyahu acted without some sort of military collusion with the US, given how quickly the US got involved.
And just last week the US voted through vast amounts of further military aid to Israel, not the sign of a country that objects to what is going on in Iran.
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:58 - Mar 10 with 16 views | Ryorry |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 08:28 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
You didn’t read what I posted did you?
“ In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories”.
There are literally pages upon pages of criticism of the Israeli state on this board. Most of which I agree with. Where am I shutting that down? EG used an anti semitic trope, I assume unintentionally, to double down on his previous false statement in his op. There were so many other ways to have addressed his mistake without using anti semiotic language.
I’m not saying “ saying everything is anti-Semitism in order to avoid justified criticism of Israel or the US and their irresponsible, criminal actions” and I’d be grateful if high would delete that spurious comment.
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Sorry GB, but I see that (edit - I mean the "puppeteer" comment) as being wholly directed at *Israel*, not at Jewish people - and therefore not antisemitic.
You have to allow for context.
Speaking as someone who usually supports you on your admirable long fight against antisemitism. [Post edited 10 Mar 11:02]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 11:01 - Mar 10 with 8 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 10:50 - Mar 10 by DJR |
In my view it is not an accurate description.
The US has been a staunch supporter of Israel from its creation, and during the Gaza war under both Biden and Trump has supplied billions of dollars in weapons.
What we now have is a US President willing to go militarily after arguably the three biggest bogeymen for the Republican right, namely, Venezuela, Cuba and Iran.
It seems to me therefore that the interests of Trump and Netanyahu are completely in step., and Trump wouldn't have moved a vast amount of military resources to the Middle East just for fun. And I don't believe Netanyahu acted without some sort of military collusion with the US, given how quickly the US got involved.
And just last week the US voted through vast amounts of further military aid to Israel, not the sign of a country that objects to what is going on in Iran.
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Whilst the relationship is intertwined and seems mutually beneficial in general, in this particular case it does seem that Israel took the US by surprise and forced their hand. Similarly, it’s been reported Israel are going a bit rogue in parts and have upset the US with some of the targeted sites. It doesn’t sound to me like they’re communicating particularly well.
In terms of ending the war and finding a route to peace, will the US even be able to rein in Israel? If Trump’s wanting to pull out, that could now be the biggest question affecting any future stability in the region. With Israel saying they want to flatten parts of Iran and Lebanon, it’s from a certainty Trump will be able to ‘end’ the war. | |
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