| Mckenna said, and I quote 06:25 - Mar 11 with 2508 views | gtsb1966 |
"At the moment, despite two really, really strong second halves".....and that is the problem. For most of the season, especially away, we have had spells where we have not even been average at best for periods of games. Mckenna doesn't seem to be able to get any consistency in the side. We 100% messed up by not getting a decent striker. Also our coaches, are they good enough? We seem to do the same things over and over again to shoot ourselves in the foot. Are we overcoached? |  | | |  |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:15 - Mar 11 with 412 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 08:59 - Mar 11 by farkenhell |
He was fouled. He might have gone down like a dying swan, but he was still fouled. I have no idea how the referee thought that wasn't a foul, yet Kipre's slight hand on the shoulder was deemed to be worthy of a penalty. |
Because Officials go into games knowing what players will try through a game and despite it being wrong, they will officiate with that knowledge. For example, I don't know the stoke player that went down at the end, but is he like azon and known for dropping down at the slightest of touches? |  |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:15 - Mar 11 with 414 views | chantryblueboy |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 08:57 - Mar 11 by StokieBlue |
Thanks for the stats.
I think you need to include context though, I've stated many times that the two times in the division aren't directly comparable because of the totally different ways teams have played against those two sides.
You'd need to make major adjustments to normalise those two datasets for direct comparison. Given this it's pretty meaningless, Azor might have been much more progressive in a team given far more space to play in like that team had.
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Or you could just watch the games |  | | |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:40 - Mar 11 with 353 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:01 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I am still not sure what over coached means. |
I assume it means the players stick rigidly to a proscribed way of playing making us predictable. It certainly feels that way at times with our slow recycling of possession. |  |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:45 - Mar 11 with 343 views | StokieBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:15 - Mar 11 by chantryblueboy |
Or you could just watch the games |
I watch every game.
If stats aren't important why did you bother to post them to try support your point?
That's two petulant responses from you in this thread. Not a great look really.
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:00 - Mar 11 with 311 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:40 - Mar 11 by Swansea_Blue |
I assume it means the players stick rigidly to a proscribed way of playing making us predictable. It certainly feels that way at times with our slow recycling of possession. |
All the best teams stick to a rigid way of playing.
Arsenal and City are the 2 best teams in the prem.
Boro are the same they are coached to play Hellbergs way.
Not liking the tactics is one thing, but being overcoached I'm not sure is really an issue. |  |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:08 - Mar 11 with 287 views | chantryblueboy |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:45 - Mar 11 by StokieBlue |
I watch every game.
If stats aren't important why did you bother to post them to try support your point?
That's two petulant responses from you in this thread. Not a great look really.
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You’ve got some cheek talking about my responses not being a great look given what you posted about me and then deleted the other week. Short memory | | | |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:09 - Mar 11 with 284 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:00 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
All the best teams stick to a rigid way of playing.
Arsenal and City are the 2 best teams in the prem.
Boro are the same they are coached to play Hellbergs way.
Not liking the tactics is one thing, but being overcoached I'm not sure is really an issue. |
Depends if you have players who don't require in game coaching
Being coached and sent out onto the pitch, the players need to be able to make their own decisions. This is where I feel we have issues. Clarke for example was having absolutely no joy in the first half, yet rather than do something different himself he stuck to to the inverted role which wasn't working and continued to lose the ball everytime he got it.. He should have stretched their backline. Burns, poor buger kept making runs forward, furlong refused to clip it over... why? because he was coached not too?
Oshea' also known as mr ping, usually hits Davis with the diag, yet first half continued time and time again to pass across to kipre or furlong.. just ignoring the progressive Davis.
And then Burns was getting the ball up wide, but barely anyone was progressive enough to be in and around the box.. again like we were scared incase we lost possession. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:11 - Mar 11 with 271 views | StokieBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:08 - Mar 11 by chantryblueboy |
You’ve got some cheek talking about my responses not being a great look given what you posted about me and then deleted the other week. Short memory |
You decided to interact with me on this debate, not the other way round.
You carry on "new poster".
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:13 - Mar 11 with 258 views | chantryblueboy |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:11 - Mar 11 by StokieBlue |
You decided to interact with me on this debate, not the other way round.
You carry on "new poster".
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I did, I disagreed with you and left it until you got personal (again) | | | |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:16 - Mar 11 with 248 views | Broadbent23 |
Are we too talented to get promotion. All our scorers last night were from the promotion seasons: Burns, Taylor and Hirst. We definitely showed style in the second half but no common sense to hold on to the lead. The band of brothers had a vein of determination for 90 minutes plus injury time. This team has faults. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:16 - Mar 11 with 246 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:00 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
All the best teams stick to a rigid way of playing.
Arsenal and City are the 2 best teams in the prem.
Boro are the same they are coached to play Hellbergs way.
Not liking the tactics is one thing, but being overcoached I'm not sure is really an issue. |
I can’t explain what the manager who made that comment was thinking, but to me we seem predictable. It can be almost boring watching us at times, because you know the ball’s about to be recycled back to the CBs. Or you know the opposition will get back in shape because we’re so slow moving the ball. Mehmeti has offered a bit more unpredictability since he came in, but we always look for control and to calm things down. Teams upset us when they get in our faces and create a bit of chaos.
Whatever the way of playing, there’s nothing wrong with sticking with it as long as it’s working of course. Our’s isn’t working well enough to deliver what people expect at the moment. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:20 - Mar 11 with 233 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:09 - Mar 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends if you have players who don't require in game coaching
Being coached and sent out onto the pitch, the players need to be able to make their own decisions. This is where I feel we have issues. Clarke for example was having absolutely no joy in the first half, yet rather than do something different himself he stuck to to the inverted role which wasn't working and continued to lose the ball everytime he got it.. He should have stretched their backline. Burns, poor buger kept making runs forward, furlong refused to clip it over... why? because he was coached not too?
Oshea' also known as mr ping, usually hits Davis with the diag, yet first half continued time and time again to pass across to kipre or furlong.. just ignoring the progressive Davis.
And then Burns was getting the ball up wide, but barely anyone was progressive enough to be in and around the box.. again like we were scared incase we lost possession. |
The players are able to make their own decisions.
I would go through each individual point you make but that's too time consuming.
Th e one bit I would highlight is that one thing we aren't, is scared incase we lose possession. We get caught in possession regularly because of how many bodies we throw forward. Our centre halves/Azor are asked to do an incredible amount of 1v1 defending. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:21 - Mar 11 with 229 views | StokieBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:13 - Mar 11 by chantryblueboy |
I did, I disagreed with you and left it until you got personal (again) |
Got personal?
Exactly where did that happen?
Just absolute nonsense.
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:23 - Mar 11 with 215 views | LankHenners |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:00 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
All the best teams stick to a rigid way of playing.
Arsenal and City are the 2 best teams in the prem.
Boro are the same they are coached to play Hellbergs way.
Not liking the tactics is one thing, but being overcoached I'm not sure is really an issue. |
Yeah, not sure why people seem to think every other team plays like the Harlem Globetrotters. Bit of a nonsense as well this idea that we only play the same way all the time - even just by having different personnel in the team we'll play slightly differently.
When we were promoted we played 'the same way' every game and no-one was complaining then.
There's maybe an argument that in our desire to have more control over matches this season we've blunted ourselves a bit in some games and could have done with being braver in upping the pace and tempo earlier, certainly earlier in the season. |  |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:28 - Mar 11 with 196 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:20 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
The players are able to make their own decisions.
I would go through each individual point you make but that's too time consuming.
Th e one bit I would highlight is that one thing we aren't, is scared incase we lose possession. We get caught in possession regularly because of how many bodies we throw forward. Our centre halves/Azor are asked to do an incredible amount of 1v1 defending. |
They might be able to make their own decisions, i wasn;t saying KM instructed them not too. But there's a difference between being allowed to being able.
Some players simply need in game coaching | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:28 - Mar 11 with 197 views | blueoutlook |
We havent turned up for large chunks of lots of games this season. What is up with the coaching ? And some of the recruitment has been bizarre to say the least. Not getting a striker to play up top being one of our biggest mistakes. |  | | |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:32 - Mar 11 with 182 views | Stenvict |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 09:45 - Mar 11 by StokieBlue |
I watch every game.
If stats aren't important why did you bother to post them to try support your point?
That's two petulant responses from you in this thread. Not a great look really.
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Illegally presumably? | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:34 - Mar 11 with 176 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:23 - Mar 11 by LankHenners |
Yeah, not sure why people seem to think every other team plays like the Harlem Globetrotters. Bit of a nonsense as well this idea that we only play the same way all the time - even just by having different personnel in the team we'll play slightly differently.
When we were promoted we played 'the same way' every game and no-one was complaining then.
There's maybe an argument that in our desire to have more control over matches this season we've blunted ourselves a bit in some games and could have done with being braver in upping the pace and tempo earlier, certainly earlier in the season. |
The last paragraph is spot on. Have an issue with the tactics but having a coach who implements them isn't an issue.
Boro who get effusive praise on here (rightly so) are equally as rigid as us, they are just winning games atm. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:39 - Mar 11 with 160 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:34 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
The last paragraph is spot on. Have an issue with the tactics but having a coach who implements them isn't an issue.
Boro who get effusive praise on here (rightly so) are equally as rigid as us, they are just winning games atm. |
Boro and their gaffer aren;t rigid
Boro have utilised multiple starting shapes under Hellberg, including:
4-2-2-2: Deployed in his early games to surprise opponents with a narrow, high-pressing block.
4-2-3-1 & 4-3-3: Used interchangeably based on whether the team needs more width (via Morgan Whittaker) or central control with a third midfielder.
3-4-1-2 / Back Three: Most notably used in the 3-1 win over Birmingham City (March 2026). Hellberg switched to three centre-halves to handle Birmingham's strike pair, which allowed wing-back Matt Targett to score twice. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:48 - Mar 11 with 136 views | mellowblue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 08:27 - Mar 11 by ericclacton |
WE DONT HAVE a GOOD NO 9, That IS WHAT IS WRONG THIS SEASON. HURST is a clumsy clown. |
Always thought Geoff Hurst pretty good actually. At least get George's name right. | | | |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 11:03 - Mar 11 with 95 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 10:39 - Mar 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Boro and their gaffer aren;t rigid
Boro have utilised multiple starting shapes under Hellberg, including:
4-2-2-2: Deployed in his early games to surprise opponents with a narrow, high-pressing block.
4-2-3-1 & 4-3-3: Used interchangeably based on whether the team needs more width (via Morgan Whittaker) or central control with a third midfielder.
3-4-1-2 / Back Three: Most notably used in the 3-1 win over Birmingham City (March 2026). Hellberg switched to three centre-halves to handle Birmingham's strike pair, which allowed wing-back Matt Targett to score twice. |
Like Ipswich under Mckenna you mean. | |
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| Mckenna said, and I quote on 11:05 - Mar 11 with 84 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mckenna said, and I quote on 11:03 - Mar 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Like Ipswich under Mckenna you mean. |
Can't say i've noticed our 3 man midfield or 3 at the back this season, two strikers etc no
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