| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) 17:58 - Mar 14 with 4481 views | jasondozzell |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 23:06 - Mar 14 with 758 views | quad |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 18:27 - Mar 14 by blueoutlook |
He couldn’t do much worse than that rabble that started the match. Millwall will murder us next weekend. |
We're a different kettle of fish at home. Leicester got very lucky in the end. |  | | |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 23:15 - Mar 14 with 730 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Quality player. |  | | |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 23:28 - Mar 14 with 695 views | Bigalhunter |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 23:15 - Mar 14 by _CliveBaker_ |
Quality player. |
I agree, woefully underused so far. |  |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 00:19 - Mar 15 with 623 views | armchaircritic59 |
In my opinion Akpom is better technically than either Hirst or Azon. His problem is trying to fit into a system that doesn't play to his strengths. I still have a funny feeling he may yet have an important part to play in what's left of the season. | | | |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 00:20 - Mar 15 with 621 views | StokieBlue |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 18:27 - Mar 14 by blueoutlook |
He couldn’t do much worse than that rabble that started the match. Millwall will murder us next weekend. |
Not like you to go straight in with a negative take.
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 02:22 - Mar 15 with 574 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 19:20 - Mar 14 by bluefunk |
Why is it valid, it’s the result what counts, there’s no points for style. It’s just a crutch for the relentlessly negative to lean on since we’ve climbed the league.
See also “we’re boring”, “we only have one way to play” “”this squad should be walking the league” etc etc
All this with 20% of the league to go. |
Are you serious?!
We’ve been awful lately, we should still be top two, but…….
Imagine if we don’t…. Brrrrrrrrr. |  |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 07:10 - Mar 15 with 514 views | Len_Brennan |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 19:33 - Mar 14 by Dubtractor |
Some of our 'support' (not you) have been moaning that we're not good enough/too slow/can't play against bottom teams etc all season, but yet here we are with 9 games to go.
Since the first of September (we all know the first 4 left us playing catch up) we been plugging away at 2 points a game for pretty much whatever time period you look at. We are second highest scorers, second best defence (despite a couple of bad defensive games in recent weeks).
Maybe, just maybe, all the naysayers are wrong.
Honestly, if you can't just enjoy being in a promotion battle then I'm not sure that football is the sport to follow. [Post edited 14 Mar 19:43]
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I find this a bit of a strange thread, in what have become the central arguments of it;
is someone a 'moaner' if they point out some clear, ongoing, flaws to our patterns of play this season,
Is someone a 'real' fan if they fear that we could miss out on automatic promotion, due to poor performances based somewhat on those above flaws, even though we are still picking up results & are in within our game in hand of being top two.
does it matter that we are a first year parachute club, with arguably the strongest squad ever assembled for a crack at the Championship, in an extraordinary season where all other parachute clubs (& Norwich) have not only underperformed, but have flirted with relegation with large parts of it
Is there a huge fear that if we don't go up this season, it will be significantly harder next time around, as Southampton, Sheffield United & Norwich have all got their acts together & will be ready from the off, while Wrexham, Birmingham & Derby will spend heavily again, and then Wolves, Burnley and either Spurs, Forest, Leeds or West Ham will be coming down as the parachute clubs
Is pointing out that we are set for the lowest points totals for the promoted teams in years merely being negative? In any season over the last number of years, the automatic spots would already be gone, were we on this points total
We are not playing well, and worse we are still subject to the same problems we were struggling with back in September; except back then, we assumed we just needed 'to gel' & McKenna would have us firing on all cylinders by Christmas, but that has not happened. If we don't manage to score early, we get bogged down, lose momentum & confidence and find ourselves under real pressure. Luckily we have some exceptional footballers at this level & have managed to win games, or rescue a point, through a moment of individual brilliance, in games where we looked bereft of ideas.
Of course it's wonderful that we have those options & that's why we signed these players, but the point is that we still don't really have an identity to this team, a way of playing that opens stubborn defensive sides up, and we are now halfway through March. The one player that does give us that to a degree is Marcelino Nunes, and that is when he is played out of position in the central #10 spot. We need him back fit & playing asap.
This is plainly just reality; it is not a call for us to sack McKenna or even to slag him off, but I do wish we'd play with a sharper more direct (as in pace wise, not longball) urgency at times.
Can't we notice these things & say them on here (of all places) without being deemed negative, moany or even labelled as non fans? I post plenty of positive comments on here too, as do a number of the other posters I recognise in this thread; we're all longtime, genuine fans who have experienced 'the ride' with plenty of good & bad days over the years. We all want the best for the club & that is promotion this season, but it is squeaky-bum time for all of us, and I wish we were playing better than we are coming into this next crucial period, despite the fact that we are continuing to pick up points.
The run of games to the finish looks tough, with not just Millwall & Middlesbrough (home) to play, but also the 2 current forms sides in Southampton & Norwich that we travel to.
Funnily enough, it may be to our advantage to be playing the 'better' sides, as they are far more likely to play attacking, open football against us, which will suit our style & our quality players. There you go, a nice positive & optimistic comment to end with. [Post edited 15 Mar 7:15]
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 07:31 - Mar 15 with 495 views | Dubtractor |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 07:10 - Mar 15 by Len_Brennan |
I find this a bit of a strange thread, in what have become the central arguments of it;
is someone a 'moaner' if they point out some clear, ongoing, flaws to our patterns of play this season,
Is someone a 'real' fan if they fear that we could miss out on automatic promotion, due to poor performances based somewhat on those above flaws, even though we are still picking up results & are in within our game in hand of being top two.
does it matter that we are a first year parachute club, with arguably the strongest squad ever assembled for a crack at the Championship, in an extraordinary season where all other parachute clubs (& Norwich) have not only underperformed, but have flirted with relegation with large parts of it
Is there a huge fear that if we don't go up this season, it will be significantly harder next time around, as Southampton, Sheffield United & Norwich have all got their acts together & will be ready from the off, while Wrexham, Birmingham & Derby will spend heavily again, and then Wolves, Burnley and either Spurs, Forest, Leeds or West Ham will be coming down as the parachute clubs
Is pointing out that we are set for the lowest points totals for the promoted teams in years merely being negative? In any season over the last number of years, the automatic spots would already be gone, were we on this points total
We are not playing well, and worse we are still subject to the same problems we were struggling with back in September; except back then, we assumed we just needed 'to gel' & McKenna would have us firing on all cylinders by Christmas, but that has not happened. If we don't manage to score early, we get bogged down, lose momentum & confidence and find ourselves under real pressure. Luckily we have some exceptional footballers at this level & have managed to win games, or rescue a point, through a moment of individual brilliance, in games where we looked bereft of ideas.
Of course it's wonderful that we have those options & that's why we signed these players, but the point is that we still don't really have an identity to this team, a way of playing that opens stubborn defensive sides up, and we are now halfway through March. The one player that does give us that to a degree is Marcelino Nunes, and that is when he is played out of position in the central #10 spot. We need him back fit & playing asap.
This is plainly just reality; it is not a call for us to sack McKenna or even to slag him off, but I do wish we'd play with a sharper more direct (as in pace wise, not longball) urgency at times.
Can't we notice these things & say them on here (of all places) without being deemed negative, moany or even labelled as non fans? I post plenty of positive comments on here too, as do a number of the other posters I recognise in this thread; we're all longtime, genuine fans who have experienced 'the ride' with plenty of good & bad days over the years. We all want the best for the club & that is promotion this season, but it is squeaky-bum time for all of us, and I wish we were playing better than we are coming into this next crucial period, despite the fact that we are continuing to pick up points.
The run of games to the finish looks tough, with not just Millwall & Middlesbrough (home) to play, but also the 2 current forms sides in Southampton & Norwich that we travel to.
Funnily enough, it may be to our advantage to be playing the 'better' sides, as they are far more likely to play attacking, open football against us, which will suit our style & our quality players. There you go, a nice positive & optimistic comment to end with. [Post edited 15 Mar 7:15]
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FFFS.
No one is shutting down debate, but there are some posters who ONLY want to piss and whine, have done so all season, and continue to do so whilst catastrophising every step of the way about how we'll get smashed against the next decent team we'll play.
You know that as you must see it too.
No one got told to shut up for noticing we were poor in the first half yesterday, or against Stoke. People do get challenged for being relentlessly negative. [Post edited 15 Mar 7:32]
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 08:22 - Mar 15 with 431 views | Len_Brennan |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 07:31 - Mar 15 by Dubtractor |
FFFS.
No one is shutting down debate, but there are some posters who ONLY want to piss and whine, have done so all season, and continue to do so whilst catastrophising every step of the way about how we'll get smashed against the next decent team we'll play.
You know that as you must see it too.
No one got told to shut up for noticing we were poor in the first half yesterday, or against Stoke. People do get challenged for being relentlessly negative. [Post edited 15 Mar 7:32]
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That's a lot of F's you've got going on there.
There are many different people posting on here, some of whom are on the extremes, on both sides, but most of whom are commenting with their genuine personal opinion, based on what they are witnessing. Many of theses posters take the time to lay out the rationale behind those views too.
Just because you may not like what they are saying & see it as constant negativity, does not mean you should dismiss them by applying some arbitrary label of your choosing to them. Many others may agree with them, at least some of the time.
We are not talking about wind up tourists who support other teams here; they are reasonable easy to spot & ignore, but real Ipswich fans who care & wish to express their frustration at times, as is their right.
Are they any less annoying for other readers, that some self-righteousness fans, who for some inexplicable reason of deluded arrogance, think that they are in a position to dictate to others how they should express themselves? | |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 08:50 - Mar 15 with 385 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 18:27 - Mar 14 by blueoutlook |
He couldn’t do much worse than that rabble that started the match. Millwall will murder us next weekend. |
I admire the effort keeping this up to be honest. |  |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 08:53 - Mar 15 with 375 views | Dubtractor |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 08:22 - Mar 15 by Len_Brennan |
That's a lot of F's you've got going on there.
There are many different people posting on here, some of whom are on the extremes, on both sides, but most of whom are commenting with their genuine personal opinion, based on what they are witnessing. Many of theses posters take the time to lay out the rationale behind those views too.
Just because you may not like what they are saying & see it as constant negativity, does not mean you should dismiss them by applying some arbitrary label of your choosing to them. Many others may agree with them, at least some of the time.
We are not talking about wind up tourists who support other teams here; they are reasonable easy to spot & ignore, but real Ipswich fans who care & wish to express their frustration at times, as is their right.
Are they any less annoying for other readers, that some self-righteousness fans, who for some inexplicable reason of deluded arrogance, think that they are in a position to dictate to others how they should express themselves? |
Are you deliberately missing the point?
"there are some posters who ONLY want to piss and whine, have done so all season, and continue to do so whilst catastrophising every step of the way".
You don't need to jump to the defence of people making reasonable points.
In our last 6 games, apparently playing poorly, we have 14 points, have scored 12 and kept 4 clean sheets. Maybe, just maybe, we're not playing as badly as some would suggest. [Post edited 15 Mar 8:55]
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:13 - Mar 15 with 328 views | Len_Brennan |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 08:53 - Mar 15 by Dubtractor |
Are you deliberately missing the point?
"there are some posters who ONLY want to piss and whine, have done so all season, and continue to do so whilst catastrophising every step of the way".
You don't need to jump to the defence of people making reasonable points.
In our last 6 games, apparently playing poorly, we have 14 points, have scored 12 and kept 4 clean sheets. Maybe, just maybe, we're not playing as badly as some would suggest. [Post edited 15 Mar 8:55]
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I presume you've watched those games, have we played well over the last 4 games?
We did a job over Hull at home, which in the context of that game at the time is certainly acceptable, but we still needed a worldie strike from the most unexpected player on the pitch, to get the breakthrough.
In the last 3 we have been horrible for large parts, and it is not just poor refereeing decisions that is to blame for it, notwithstanding the fact that we should have had late decisions that would have won both games we drew.
The point is that we have consistently had the same issues, opposition team know how to set up against us & we struggle to break them down. I, and others, are talking about the performances being indicative of where we are as a team formalise, whereas you are mostly looking just at results & refereeing decisions against us as a sign that all is well. I cannot understand how somebody watching us week-in, week-out, thinks we are playing well & all is rosy.
As for defending the undefensible; others get caught up in that too. Those that are calling out the all season catastrophisers (?) also hit those making points in individual games or are highlighting a long term issue; it is a more scattergun than strategic calling out than you seem to think.
I like how you automatically assuming somebody who has a different view to you must be "deliberately" missing the point; sure what else could it be. | |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:22 - Mar 15 with 308 views | Dubtractor |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:13 - Mar 15 by Len_Brennan |
I presume you've watched those games, have we played well over the last 4 games?
We did a job over Hull at home, which in the context of that game at the time is certainly acceptable, but we still needed a worldie strike from the most unexpected player on the pitch, to get the breakthrough.
In the last 3 we have been horrible for large parts, and it is not just poor refereeing decisions that is to blame for it, notwithstanding the fact that we should have had late decisions that would have won both games we drew.
The point is that we have consistently had the same issues, opposition team know how to set up against us & we struggle to break them down. I, and others, are talking about the performances being indicative of where we are as a team formalise, whereas you are mostly looking just at results & refereeing decisions against us as a sign that all is well. I cannot understand how somebody watching us week-in, week-out, thinks we are playing well & all is rosy.
As for defending the undefensible; others get caught up in that too. Those that are calling out the all season catastrophisers (?) also hit those making points in individual games or are highlighting a long term issue; it is a more scattergun than strategic calling out than you seem to think.
I like how you automatically assuming somebody who has a different view to you must be "deliberately" missing the point; sure what else could it be. |
I'll say it one more time, just to help it sink in.
I am not having a pop at people who make constructive points about performances, the issue is people who piss and whine relentlessly, the sort who were circling on here with 15 minutes to go, but then disappear when the game is won.
The first halves against Leicester and Stoke weren't good enough, but we still did enough in the second half to have won both games. | |
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:22 - Mar 15 with 305 views | bluefunk |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:13 - Mar 15 by Len_Brennan |
I presume you've watched those games, have we played well over the last 4 games?
We did a job over Hull at home, which in the context of that game at the time is certainly acceptable, but we still needed a worldie strike from the most unexpected player on the pitch, to get the breakthrough.
In the last 3 we have been horrible for large parts, and it is not just poor refereeing decisions that is to blame for it, notwithstanding the fact that we should have had late decisions that would have won both games we drew.
The point is that we have consistently had the same issues, opposition team know how to set up against us & we struggle to break them down. I, and others, are talking about the performances being indicative of where we are as a team formalise, whereas you are mostly looking just at results & refereeing decisions against us as a sign that all is well. I cannot understand how somebody watching us week-in, week-out, thinks we are playing well & all is rosy.
As for defending the undefensible; others get caught up in that too. Those that are calling out the all season catastrophisers (?) also hit those making points in individual games or are highlighting a long term issue; it is a more scattergun than strategic calling out than you seem to think.
I like how you automatically assuming somebody who has a different view to you must be "deliberately" missing the point; sure what else could it be. |
Len, stop digging
The point is that reasonable points and posters don’t need defending, negative or positive. Those who choose to be relentlessly negative are going to be called out for it, when they are clearly not intersex in reasoned debate.
And Dub is one of if not the most reasonable posters on this board. |  | | |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:26 - Mar 15 with 297 views | jasondozzell |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 09:13 - Mar 15 by Len_Brennan |
I presume you've watched those games, have we played well over the last 4 games?
We did a job over Hull at home, which in the context of that game at the time is certainly acceptable, but we still needed a worldie strike from the most unexpected player on the pitch, to get the breakthrough.
In the last 3 we have been horrible for large parts, and it is not just poor refereeing decisions that is to blame for it, notwithstanding the fact that we should have had late decisions that would have won both games we drew.
The point is that we have consistently had the same issues, opposition team know how to set up against us & we struggle to break them down. I, and others, are talking about the performances being indicative of where we are as a team formalise, whereas you are mostly looking just at results & refereeing decisions against us as a sign that all is well. I cannot understand how somebody watching us week-in, week-out, thinks we are playing well & all is rosy.
As for defending the undefensible; others get caught up in that too. Those that are calling out the all season catastrophisers (?) also hit those making points in individual games or are highlighting a long term issue; it is a more scattergun than strategic calling out than you seem to think.
I like how you automatically assuming somebody who has a different view to you must be "deliberately" missing the point; sure what else could it be. |
We're 2 points off 2nd with a game in hand.
Even when a McKenna team is struggling to break a low block (which even the best teams can do) , the football is like watching Brazil compared to what we watching down here on a regular basis before.
It's a tough league and we were never going to win every game 3-0.
Second half against Leicester we played our best football of the season imo.
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| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 18:52 - Mar 15 with 209 views | BlueBadger |
| Chuba very good when he came on - steadying influence (n/t) on 08:50 - Mar 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I admire the effort keeping this up to be honest. |
You don't find it more than a little tragic? |  |
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