| Prime minister at the next election 06:30 - May 12 with 1669 views | gtsb1966 |
IF (they won't) the Labour party manage to get Burnham through the door then they win the next election. If it's Streeting then it's Farage. It really is as simple as that. They have one chance and they'll blow it. |  | | |  |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:24 - May 12 with 337 views | WeWereZombies |
| Prime minister at the next election on 12:40 - May 12 by Plums |
and sadly, that the press will accept and not demonise. |
The, mainly Conservative, press will demonise any Labour leader and the isolated moderate voices like The Guardian and The Independent (sometimes) and the BBC (sometimes) will be critical if instant results are not forthcoming. It's up to the voting public to take whatever information they can glean from these biased sources and process that together with the reality they see in their daily lives to form an opinion of who is for the best. And that to some extent and perhaps remarkably is what happened at the last Westminster General Election. It doesn't do to demonise the general public either, it's still a minority who vote 'Reform'. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:29 - May 12 with 305 views | wrightsrightglove |
I don’t think it matters who they have in charge unless they’re going to change course in a fairly dramatic fashion (Rayner is the only one who might be able / willing to pull that off). They’ve leant into the right wing rhetoric rather than challenging it and showing people a better alternative. They need to become a progressive left of centre party and show how they’re improving ordinary people’s lives over the next 3 years. The best way to do that imo, is Rayner, cut ties with the genocidal maniacs of this world, PR and a plan to rejoin the EU |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:31 - May 12 with 289 views | baxterbasics |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:29 - May 12 by wrightsrightglove |
I don’t think it matters who they have in charge unless they’re going to change course in a fairly dramatic fashion (Rayner is the only one who might be able / willing to pull that off). They’ve leant into the right wing rhetoric rather than challenging it and showing people a better alternative. They need to become a progressive left of centre party and show how they’re improving ordinary people’s lives over the next 3 years. The best way to do that imo, is Rayner, cut ties with the genocidal maniacs of this world, PR and a plan to rejoin the EU |
If your big hope is that we'll get someone who tells Trump and Netanyahu where to shove it, I fear you will be disappointed. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:36 - May 12 with 264 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:29 - May 12 by wrightsrightglove |
I don’t think it matters who they have in charge unless they’re going to change course in a fairly dramatic fashion (Rayner is the only one who might be able / willing to pull that off). They’ve leant into the right wing rhetoric rather than challenging it and showing people a better alternative. They need to become a progressive left of centre party and show how they’re improving ordinary people’s lives over the next 3 years. The best way to do that imo, is Rayner, cut ties with the genocidal maniacs of this world, PR and a plan to rejoin the EU |
Rayner will struggle to win the crucial centre ground voters. Not because she's a woman or even northern, but because she does not come across as particularly bright. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:37 - May 12 with 262 views | hype313 |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:51 - May 12 by baxterbasics |
It does feel like the model of large parties encompassing a broad church of opinion is becoming increasingly broken. Britain is ungovernable.
I've no love for Starmer but can't see how changing the man at the top improves anything, in terms of longer term electoral prospects. There's too much focus on who is PM not enough on collective governance, IMO.
If the fringe parties get any handle on power they will soon come up against the same problems. Dissatisfied electorate, in-fighting, scandal, personal ambitions getting in the way.
I hope both Labour and the Conservatives can get their houses in order and we can go back to the good old days of a straight red vs blue fight. But this feels very optimistic. Genie is out of the bottle. |
I think we'll end up like lots of other countries where we have coalitions, no party in their current guise would be able to command a majority if a GE was called today.
The days of 2 party politics are well and truly over. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:39 - May 12 with 259 views | Swansea_Blue |
Jess Phillips gone. Attacking his inability to make an argument - that feels fair to me; who does know what they stand for and where they’re taking us under Starmer’s leadership?
This is starting to feel more real than just a media storm. Over 80 letters now too. They seem really pissed off with him. Maybe he can ride it out, but it’s starting to feel as if it could be terminal. It might be a gift in the short-term for Farage, but Labour are wasting a huge majority in front of our eyes. At least a change of direction (some clarity and some actual direction) could see faster progress in fixing things, which is the only chance they have of seeing off Reform in 3 years. They can’t carry on as they are imo. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:40 - May 12 with 255 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:37 - May 12 by hype313 |
I think we'll end up like lots of other countries where we have coalitions, no party in their current guise would be able to command a majority if a GE was called today.
The days of 2 party politics are well and truly over. |
In that case we need an electoral system that works for a multi-party landscape. Electoral reform is a must on the road to rebuilding trust in the public. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:41 - May 12 with 256 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:37 - May 12 by hype313 |
I think we'll end up like lots of other countries where we have coalitions, no party in their current guise would be able to command a majority if a GE was called today.
The days of 2 party politics are well and truly over. |
Fptp means that reform really could get a majority. If labour and lib dem votes are split with greens letting them in. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:44 - May 12 with 244 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:31 - May 12 by baxterbasics |
If your big hope is that we'll get someone who tells Trump and Netanyahu where to shove it, I fear you will be disappointed. |
Well quite, which is why I wouldn’t vote for them currently but one can hope! | | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 14:18 - May 12 with 184 views | The_Major |
Starmer is too scared to upset people.As Jess Phillips pointed out in her letter, there's been pressure on Big Tech to bring in online safeguards, but no actual action.
A lot of the rhetoric around immigration would have been a bit too strong for some Tories, let alone Labour voters. And the people that is aimed at will never vote for him anyway.
Lest we forget, he's got a parliamentary majority that apart from Thatcher and Blair, we've only really seen when there's a National Government like there was during the war. And both Thatcher and Blair used those majorities to get what they believed in on the statute books, for better or worse.
We know that in the past Starmer has shown no fear in taking on huge opponents - don't forget, he fought McDonald's about 30 years ago, and to be fair, he has shown a bit more backbone with Trump lately, but not to do it now, with the majority he has, is almost a dereliction of duty. |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 17:02 - May 12 with 102 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:39 - May 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Jess Phillips gone. Attacking his inability to make an argument - that feels fair to me; who does know what they stand for and where they’re taking us under Starmer’s leadership?
This is starting to feel more real than just a media storm. Over 80 letters now too. They seem really pissed off with him. Maybe he can ride it out, but it’s starting to feel as if it could be terminal. It might be a gift in the short-term for Farage, but Labour are wasting a huge majority in front of our eyes. At least a change of direction (some clarity and some actual direction) could see faster progress in fixing things, which is the only chance they have of seeing off Reform in 3 years. They can’t carry on as they are imo. |
Seems to me that Starmer is putting himself before party and country.
He is dragging both through the mire. Everybody can see he has to go.
For goodness sake do it with honour and dignity. Dont wait until you are thrown.
If he stays there will be no meaningful Labour party at the next election. |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 19:35 - May 12 with 77 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 17:02 - May 12 by flykickingbybgunn |
Seems to me that Starmer is putting himself before party and country.
He is dragging both through the mire. Everybody can see he has to go.
For goodness sake do it with honour and dignity. Dont wait until you are thrown.
If he stays there will be no meaningful Labour party at the next election. |
It’s quite a bizarre watch. Lammy has come out in defence and repeated Starmer’s claim that stability is key, they need to get on with governing and changing leader would be a gift to Farage. Er, hello? Have they any understanding of how badly their governing is going down? They seem utterly divorced from reality. As you say, they’re already killing the Labour Party. They’re already a gift to Reform.
I’ve got some sympathy with the argument Starmer is serious and really cares about delivering. Fine, but irrelevant. It misses the point completely. Nobody knows what their vision is and they have incoherent and contradictory policies that undermine what they say they want to do. They’ve pissed off the left, the Champaign Socialists, the Unions, business, and obviously the right. He’s a dead man walking, so yes for all our sakes let’s hope they get it sorted asap. I don’t care who they chose instead as long as they can present and deliver on a clear, coherent vision for improving lives of people. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 19:47 - May 12 with 48 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 17:02 - May 12 by flykickingbybgunn |
Seems to me that Starmer is putting himself before party and country.
He is dragging both through the mire. Everybody can see he has to go.
For goodness sake do it with honour and dignity. Dont wait until you are thrown.
If he stays there will be no meaningful Labour party at the next election. |
Or the opposite? Taking the abuse but staying to do the job and avoiding the destabilising circus we've seen from recent governments? He was elected and no-one better is putting themselves forward. | |
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