| Harvey Elliott 15:19 - May 14 with 3587 views | TwoKnightsInIpswich |
He's had a wasted loan year at Villa and has no future at Liverpool. He's a great talent with loads of experience and still young.
While I'm not suggesting he'd come to us, he's the sort of player we should be linked with.
Personally, if wages weren't an issue, I think it would be a signing that would benefit all parties. |  | | |  |
| Harvey Elliott on 10:43 - May 15 with 480 views | Churchman |
| Harvey Elliott on 08:06 - May 15 by Herbivore |
All to do with their obligation to buy clause.amd Emery not being convinced he wanted to drop £35m on him. |
Ta. Fair enough. I’ve not properly read the story. |  | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 10:47 - May 15 with 459 views | runaround |
His hair looks like a pot noodle which kind of puts me off but on pure football terms would be an excellent signing however I would suspect wages might be an issue |  | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 10:56 - May 15 with 424 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Harvey Elliott on 10:11 - May 15 by Len_Brennan |
Were Szmodics & Ogbene just not good enough, or did they both get injured & therefore were not able to play that many games?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that they are superstars that would rip up the PL, but to be fair to them, Szmodics still scored 4 goals in his limited game time & looked a threat, whereas poor old Ogbene got injured so early into his time here, we don't know how he would have gotten on. He had performed well in the PL with Luton & would certainly have started a lot of games in the Wes role for us, had he not had such a bad injury.
They are 2 years older now, & Szmodics is gone for other reasons, but I don't understand why Ogbene is constantly dismissed as though he is a rubbish player, as opposed to somebody who suffered a bad, longterm injury, while playing for us in the PL. |
Injuries were obviously problematic but I didn't like those deals at the time, and still don't now. To drop £15m - £20m was wild IMO, they're 2 players who had spent half their careers in L1 and half in the Championship, aside from Ogbene having a handful of impressive games for Luton in the premier league. To me they're were 2 decent Championship players, who had cost the selling clubs a combined couple of million, never at any stage of their career been worth what we paid or will again, aged 27 / 28. We paid way over the odds on them as a pair, and we'll sell them for a fraction.
Not all deals are about making a profit but the way I see it is you either go for bigger transfer fees on younger, high potential players who can grow with us and trade on, or you pay good money for proven premier league quality perhaps towards the end of their careers and accept you might get a good season out of them. They were neither.
I'll be really disappointed if we're spending that sort of money on those profiles this summer. |  | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 12:38 - May 15 with 356 views | Churchman |
| Harvey Elliott on 10:56 - May 15 by _CliveBaker_ |
Injuries were obviously problematic but I didn't like those deals at the time, and still don't now. To drop £15m - £20m was wild IMO, they're 2 players who had spent half their careers in L1 and half in the Championship, aside from Ogbene having a handful of impressive games for Luton in the premier league. To me they're were 2 decent Championship players, who had cost the selling clubs a combined couple of million, never at any stage of their career been worth what we paid or will again, aged 27 / 28. We paid way over the odds on them as a pair, and we'll sell them for a fraction.
Not all deals are about making a profit but the way I see it is you either go for bigger transfer fees on younger, high potential players who can grow with us and trade on, or you pay good money for proven premier league quality perhaps towards the end of their careers and accept you might get a good season out of them. They were neither.
I'll be really disappointed if we're spending that sort of money on those profiles this summer. |
I could see the sense in the Szmodics deal. He scored a lot of goals for Blackburn and looked a handful. Basically to me he felt at the time like a bit like a good insurance policy should we go down, which was always very likely.
He started ok, but somehow it’s all dribbled away with us. A good signing? In retrospect no, but I thought it was at the time and I don’t remember too many on here throwing their hands in the air with despair.
Ogbene? I watched him pre injury and despite good pace I couldn’t see an end product from him. Bit of an eyebrow raiser for me but given it takes time to settle who knows - he might have blossomed. I doubt it, but he was badly injured within no time of being here. Regardless, not one of the best signings.
Personally, I see more merit for a club like this signing potential than hasbeens, unless you find ones with the right character and fitness, TM and Wark style or the Sunderland player.
Any transfer is a risk. Always was, always will be. It was relatively easy in L1. We could afford better players than the rest and they wanted to come here. Small pond big fish. We are no longer in that pond and it’s clearly much tougher.
Two seasons ago recruitment was all a bit ramshackle hit and miss. We know the reasons for it and the process they tried to follow. Given where the club was and its rapid rise, how could it be anything else? Only a three years before the nearest thing to a scout we had was a kid with a woggle cleaning your car for a badge.
Hopefully what went right and what could have gone better lessons will have been learned and we will be able to enjoy a much higher success rate than then. | | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 13:51 - May 15 with 302 views | vapour_trail |
| Harvey Elliott on 07:32 - May 15 by Churchman |
I was thinking more of the clamour for the likes of Wilson and Stones, not Elliott who I’d have thought at £70k a week is totally unrealistic as a target.
Feel free to tell me why Villa didn’t play him this season. Was he not good enough or was he trouble? |
Oh I see, it looked like you were responding to a post on Elliot.
As herbivore says, Emery appears to just not rate him as worth £35m of his transfer kitty. Pretty sure he’s praised his attitude in the face of a pretty shitty situation for him.
I’d imagine that asking price would be more like 30 now. Would expect someone to pick him up on loan this summer. |  |
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| Harvey Elliott on 13:54 - May 15 with 289 views | Herbivore |
| Harvey Elliott on 13:51 - May 15 by vapour_trail |
Oh I see, it looked like you were responding to a post on Elliot.
As herbivore says, Emery appears to just not rate him as worth £35m of his transfer kitty. Pretty sure he’s praised his attitude in the face of a pretty shitty situation for him.
I’d imagine that asking price would be more like 30 now. Would expect someone to pick him up on loan this summer. |
Yeah, think another loan to buy seems likely. I think for anyone to take him permanently the fee is going to start with a 2 rather than a 3. He's a quality player and will be an excellent signing for someone. If people are thinking this is the type of business we're going to be doing though I think they're going to be disappointed. |  |
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| Harvey Elliott on 14:17 - May 15 with 253 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Harvey Elliott on 12:38 - May 15 by Churchman |
I could see the sense in the Szmodics deal. He scored a lot of goals for Blackburn and looked a handful. Basically to me he felt at the time like a bit like a good insurance policy should we go down, which was always very likely.
He started ok, but somehow it’s all dribbled away with us. A good signing? In retrospect no, but I thought it was at the time and I don’t remember too many on here throwing their hands in the air with despair.
Ogbene? I watched him pre injury and despite good pace I couldn’t see an end product from him. Bit of an eyebrow raiser for me but given it takes time to settle who knows - he might have blossomed. I doubt it, but he was badly injured within no time of being here. Regardless, not one of the best signings.
Personally, I see more merit for a club like this signing potential than hasbeens, unless you find ones with the right character and fitness, TM and Wark style or the Sunderland player.
Any transfer is a risk. Always was, always will be. It was relatively easy in L1. We could afford better players than the rest and they wanted to come here. Small pond big fish. We are no longer in that pond and it’s clearly much tougher.
Two seasons ago recruitment was all a bit ramshackle hit and miss. We know the reasons for it and the process they tried to follow. Given where the club was and its rapid rise, how could it be anything else? Only a three years before the nearest thing to a scout we had was a kid with a woggle cleaning your car for a badge.
Hopefully what went right and what could have gone better lessons will have been learned and we will be able to enjoy a much higher success rate than then. |
All signings certainly come with risk. I just think there's a big gulf between Championship and Premier League and put simply you need to sign players to help bridge it. I never saw Szmodics or Ogbene as likely to do that for us, I'm not sure either were or are demonstrably better than what we had already, and in that sense didn't see the value. Certainly not £15m+ of value which is still, by our standards, a lot of money. Szmodics had come off a stellar season but it was very much the exception rather than norm in his career.
I'd like to think its not being wise after the event, I was underwhelmed at the time. Equally I was hyped by Cajuste and Muric who came with a pedigree of top flight football (and Champions League in Jens' case) and neither of them delivered for us on the regular.
We've got a lot of work to do this summer, and we'll need to do better. If we're shopping in the Championship there's a very small handful of players I would say are worth pursuing. Hackney is clearly one, Jordan James another. But I don't want to see us paying the best part of £10m for profiles akin to those last time. Players like Sorba Thomas and Oli McBurnie, very good at that level but not ones who will kick us on enough. Its very hard business to do though, and as you say not without risk (especially when looking overseas). I think the intersection of the venn diagram of 'wants to join', 'in budget', 'better than we've got already' and 'premier league quality' is pretty small. | | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 14:51 - May 15 with 234 views | Churchman |
| Harvey Elliott on 13:51 - May 15 by vapour_trail |
Oh I see, it looked like you were responding to a post on Elliot.
As herbivore says, Emery appears to just not rate him as worth £35m of his transfer kitty. Pretty sure he’s praised his attitude in the face of a pretty shitty situation for him.
I’d imagine that asking price would be more like 30 now. Would expect someone to pick him up on loan this summer. |
Yep, I replied to the wrong post.
Strange club Villa. As for Elliott, at 23 he needs to be playing. Given the fee being talked about, maybe another loan is the best option. | | | |
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| Harvey Elliott on 15:00 - May 15 with 225 views | m14_blue |
| Harvey Elliott on 15:35 - May 14 by Herbivore |
He'll go to a Bournemouth or Brentford type side I expect. Not one I can see us having much chance of signing. |
The most depressing thing I've ever read on here.
Because it's true. |  | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 16:07 - May 15 with 187 views | Herbivore |
| Harvey Elliott on 15:00 - May 15 by m14_blue |
The most depressing thing I've ever read on here.
Because it's true. |
Yeah, I felt a little bit sick writing it. | |
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| Harvey Elliott on 18:04 - May 15 with 147 views | Poultman |
| Harvey Elliott on 12:38 - May 15 by Churchman |
I could see the sense in the Szmodics deal. He scored a lot of goals for Blackburn and looked a handful. Basically to me he felt at the time like a bit like a good insurance policy should we go down, which was always very likely.
He started ok, but somehow it’s all dribbled away with us. A good signing? In retrospect no, but I thought it was at the time and I don’t remember too many on here throwing their hands in the air with despair.
Ogbene? I watched him pre injury and despite good pace I couldn’t see an end product from him. Bit of an eyebrow raiser for me but given it takes time to settle who knows - he might have blossomed. I doubt it, but he was badly injured within no time of being here. Regardless, not one of the best signings.
Personally, I see more merit for a club like this signing potential than hasbeens, unless you find ones with the right character and fitness, TM and Wark style or the Sunderland player.
Any transfer is a risk. Always was, always will be. It was relatively easy in L1. We could afford better players than the rest and they wanted to come here. Small pond big fish. We are no longer in that pond and it’s clearly much tougher.
Two seasons ago recruitment was all a bit ramshackle hit and miss. We know the reasons for it and the process they tried to follow. Given where the club was and its rapid rise, how could it be anything else? Only a three years before the nearest thing to a scout we had was a kid with a woggle cleaning your car for a badge.
Hopefully what went right and what could have gone better lessons will have been learned and we will be able to enjoy a much higher success rate than then. |
“Kid with a woggle cleaning your car for a badge”
Classic Sir | | | |
| Harvey Elliott on 20:43 - May 15 with 89 views | itfcjoe |
| Harvey Elliott on 15:47 - May 14 by _CliveBaker_ |
Hasn't played much as Villa have a £35m obligation if he plays 10 league games, which they've clearly been reluctant to trigger. Bit shit that the 2 clubs couldn't have agreed something between themselves to forgo that when it was clear where his season was heading.
I expect he'll go somewhere, and for less than £35m, but doubt it'll be a newly promoted club. Not sure if moving from Liverpool to Everton would be too contentious, but that would be a good one for him. Or Palace in terms of somewhere he'll be likely to play regularly. |
Yep, awful how he’s been treated by both clubs but presume couldn’t agree to sort it because they are direct competitors for what at one point looked like the last CL spot |  |
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| Harvey Elliott on 20:47 - May 15 with 77 views | itfcjoe |
| Harvey Elliott on 16:48 - May 14 by tetchris |
John Stones is on £250k a week so is very unlikely to drop to £40/50k a week which is the maximum town could probably afford to pay him. Elliott is on £65k a week. Wilson is alleged to be on a low weekly wage £6/10k but his contract is heavily incentivised so he gets around £50k a week.
It is believed O’Shea is the highest paid town player on £35k a week. He will probably be offered a new contract now town have been promoted which might take him to £40k a week.
We can’t afford PL players from other clubs as their wages are too high unless it’s a loan deal with wages being split between the two clubs, that’s why he have to look abroad in leagues with wages comparable to top end championship/lower level PL clubs. If town stay in the PL for a few seasons then they could potentially afford these types of players in the future, especially if you can get into one of the European competitions.
I think we will look abroad primarily, consider one or two PL loans or permanent signings from the likes of Chelsea/Man City, and a couple of players from the championship. As we found out last time we were in the PL, players like Ogbene, Szmodics etc just weren’t good enough. When you consider we played similar money for Matisuwa, yet he has been far better value for money. |
Our average wage last season in the PL was £55k a week, we’ll still be paying players that sort of figure in this league. | |
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