| What is the acceptable level of cheating? 15:34 - May 22 with 944 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Basically, when does gamesmanship cross the line and become cheating.
Is Chaplin feigning injury for a tactical break cheating? When you see a player brushed on the upper chest rolling around holding their face, trying to get an opponentsent off. A forward hanging out a foot to one side to make sure he trips over an advancing keeper to win a penalty...
While I have no sympathy for Southampton, cheating goes on during every match, and if pulled off successfully is more likely to gain you a bigger advantage than training ground footage.
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:37 - May 22 with 926 views | Vaughan8 |
I don't know what the answer is but what i can say is I left that Derby at home game this season thinking "what the hell has happened to football". | | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:42 - May 22 with 888 views | Illinoisblue |
It’s a good question but a question that only exists because of the extreme disparity in finances between the prem and the rest of football. Every year another couple of tens of millions gets chucked on to the championship final. This year it’s the “200million pound game”. Next year it’ll be the 250million game. While tis absurdity continues the likelihood of teams gaming/cheating will only increase. That’s not to say a certain level of dark arts hasn’t always been there, but it will only get worse in the current climate. |  |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:43 - May 22 with 868 views | positivity |
i think virtually every football fan has always been accepting of a certain level of dark arts since it began. it's not a new thing! | |
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| So right V8, and I think a lot forgot that night and that challenge this season on 15:47 - May 22 with 847 views | unstableblue |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:37 - May 22 by Vaughan8 |
I don't know what the answer is but what i can say is I left that Derby at home game this season thinking "what the hell has happened to football". |
That Derby ‘gameplan’ was awful, anti football. And for me it is cheating the spirit of the game, it wasn’t technically cheating, but I’d look to rule changes to fix that approach by teams.
Lot of Town fans slated Town across the season just past. Expected us to just to walk it, blowing teams away. You can’t blow a team like Derby away, given the way they drained the game. Hampered our flow.
Hats off to McKenna and the boys for navigating it. Now a very different challenge. |  |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:52 - May 22 with 810 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:43 - May 22 by positivity |
i think virtually every football fan has always been accepting of a certain level of dark arts since it began. it's not a new thing! |
Whilst there was diving in the 1980s I don't recall all the play acting and feigning injury that goes on now. The game was so much more physical, and heavy challenges part and parcel of the game, players just got up and got on with it. | | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 16:38 - May 22 with 720 views | positivity |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:52 - May 22 by Blue_In_Boston |
Whilst there was diving in the 1980s I don't recall all the play acting and feigning injury that goes on now. The game was so much more physical, and heavy challenges part and parcel of the game, players just got up and got on with it. |
the heavy challenges were cheating, battiston and (the original) haaland didn't get up and get on with it! | |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 17:04 - May 22 with 684 views | RonFearonsHair |
I never liked Chaplin's tactical injuries.
But when we started games poorly it didn't stop me calling for them because I am a massive hypocrite, as I believe all supporters are to varying degrees. |  | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 17:32 - May 22 with 630 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 16:38 - May 22 by positivity |
the heavy challenges were cheating, battiston and (the original) haaland didn't get up and get on with it! |
You are referring to two challenges bordering on assaults. I was meaning the likes of Beattie, Butcher, Stuart Pearce etc, no nonsense defenders who were hard but fair, generally keeping within the rules of that time. | | | |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 17:42 - May 22 with 575 views | positivity |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 17:32 - May 22 by Blue_In_Boston |
You are referring to two challenges bordering on assaults. I was meaning the likes of Beattie, Butcher, Stuart Pearce etc, no nonsense defenders who were hard but fair, generally keeping within the rules of that time. |
yeah, the laws allowed for some heavier challenges, but plenty of them weren't legal even for the time. plenty "left something on" the attacker even then!
as for the play acting, football's become far more of a capitalist business, so (as with business), every team will be looking for marginal gains within the rules (and sometimes outside of them).
it's annoying to play a team of s-housers who ensure the ball is in play for less than half of the 90 minutes, but that's the game and sometimes there's no alternative but to fight fire with fire | |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 22:33 - May 22 with 402 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
None of it is acceptable and its all cheating. |  |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 22:38 - May 22 with 390 views | Swansea_Blue |
“Have we all become accepting of a certain level of dark arts?”
100%. And the Chaplin stuff is nothing new; just new to most of us by the looks of things. Clubs have been faking injuries to waste time and get messages onto the pitch for years/decades. The game is rife with it.
My pet hate is defenders throwing themselves to the ground to win free kicks because they’ve got themselves into a pickle. In my day you cleared it into row Z or you had someone coming through the back of you studs up. |  |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 02:37 - May 23 with 300 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:37 - May 22 by Vaughan8 |
I don't know what the answer is but what i can say is I left that Derby at home game this season thinking "what the hell has happened to football". |
Should of been 45mins of extra time! |  | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 07:35 - May 23 with 232 views | peterleeblue |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 17:42 - May 22 by positivity |
yeah, the laws allowed for some heavier challenges, but plenty of them weren't legal even for the time. plenty "left something on" the attacker even then!
as for the play acting, football's become far more of a capitalist business, so (as with business), every team will be looking for marginal gains within the rules (and sometimes outside of them).
it's annoying to play a team of s-housers who ensure the ball is in play for less than half of the 90 minutes, but that's the game and sometimes there's no alternative but to fight fire with fire |
Sh-thousery is basically a substitute for lack of ability. |  | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 08:03 - May 23 with 202 views | MattinLondon |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 07:35 - May 23 by peterleeblue |
Sh-thousery is basically a substitute for lack of ability. |
It’s not really. |  | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 10:09 - May 23 with 123 views | oldbeardy |
Time to change some of the rules and enforce existing ones - eg if a player goes down "injured" other players not allowed to go over to the coach. 3 game ban for diving, applied retrospectively if necessary. Refs to set a higher bar before giving a free kick when players collapse in a heap when an opposing player is behind them. Player with a head injury to be subjected to an assessment - maybe a mandatory (temporary?) substitution. Find a way to stop the manufactured "entitled to go down" fouls/penalties - difficult judgements involved, no doubt but all this kind of stuff is spoiling the game | | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 10:34 - May 23 with 103 views | marvellous |
I think, for me, the line between gamesmanship and cheating is premeditation.
On the pitch, opportunity arises in the moment. It's adjudicated by an independent team appointed by the governing body to uphold the rules. Staying down and getting the physio on gives an opportunity for both managers to get instructions to their players. Diving, feigning injury, time wasting opportunities come about and are judged in a split second and are dealt with at the time. Both teams have these opportunities during the match - it starts on a level playing field.
Spying on other teams' training sessions, disconnecting the power to the opposition's dressing room, taking performance enhancing drugs, modifying regulated equipment are all premeditated illegal actions to gain an advantage (however small). Clubs, managers, players and the league put trust in eachother to uphold the rules and play the game as it's supposed to be played. Knowingly breaking the rules in advance of a match taking place creates an unlevel playing field therefore is cheating. | | | |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 12:20 - May 23 with 48 views | algy |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 15:52 - May 22 by Blue_In_Boston |
Whilst there was diving in the 1980s I don't recall all the play acting and feigning injury that goes on now. The game was so much more physical, and heavy challenges part and parcel of the game, players just got up and got on with it. |
I blame modern carpet pitches. They wouldn't be playing dead or rolling around if they were like the Baseball Ground was at one time or Wembley pitch after they had a Horse Show for example. | |
| Never forget that on 7th. April 2021, for ITFC, the Game Changed. |
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| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 12:25 - May 23 with 34 views | MattinLondon |
| What is the acceptable level of cheating? on 10:09 - May 23 by oldbeardy |
Time to change some of the rules and enforce existing ones - eg if a player goes down "injured" other players not allowed to go over to the coach. 3 game ban for diving, applied retrospectively if necessary. Refs to set a higher bar before giving a free kick when players collapse in a heap when an opposing player is behind them. Player with a head injury to be subjected to an assessment - maybe a mandatory (temporary?) substitution. Find a way to stop the manufactured "entitled to go down" fouls/penalties - difficult judgements involved, no doubt but all this kind of stuff is spoiling the game |
The trouble with diving is that it’s really hard to fathom whether it is or isn’t a dive.
If a player runs very quickly into the penalty area a slight nudge could result in them genuinely being unable to stay up - but it could still look like a dive.
Also a three match ban! Is it really on par with someone being sent off for a dangerous tackle which more often than not carries a three match ban.
Head injuries - if a player knows that he has to go off it might well encourage to to try and get on with it when he really shouldn’t. | | | |
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