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People have said about Henderson’s selection that he won’t get any minutes but will be great in the dressing room. I don’t understand- do you have to be in the squad to be allowed in the dressing room? Can’t he be brought along in some form of “coach” role?
Seems such a waste of a spot better filled by Wharton.
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 09:25 - May 28 by GlasgowBlue
If Keane disagrees then that's good enough for me that it's the right decision to take him.
No idea when I began here, was a very long time ago. Previously known as Spirit_of_81. Love cheese, hate the colour of it, this is why it requires some blue in it.
I don't mind the Henderson pick in isolation, but I do think Wharton is a special player and will be in England teams in the future. They both play central midfield but would be asked to do different jobs - Henderson more likely to be a defensive replacement for Anderson and I think if Tuchel were to look at his bench when chasing a game he'd go for (whoever isn't already on of) Bellingham/Rogers/Eze as that more attacking 8 than putting Wharton on.
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Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 09:50 - May 28 with 1667 views
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 09:42 - May 28 by JakeITFC
I don't mind the Henderson pick in isolation, but I do think Wharton is a special player and will be in England teams in the future. They both play central midfield but would be asked to do different jobs - Henderson more likely to be a defensive replacement for Anderson and I think if Tuchel were to look at his bench when chasing a game he'd go for (whoever isn't already on of) Bellingham/Rogers/Eze as that more attacking 8 than putting Wharton on.
I largely agree but Wharton although not as flairy as those you mentioned knows how to make some incisive direct passes that could unlock stubborn defences
I think had the Conference League final been earlier he probably would’ve been in the squad. It seems like for the most part Tuchel has gone for players with a track record of winning things, which isn’t a bad approach.
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 10:10 - May 28 by Wacko
I largely agree but Wharton although not as flairy as those you mentioned knows how to make some incisive direct passes that could unlock stubborn defences
Yeah, don't disagree - he's a proper player (and along with Morgan Rogers impressed me as much as anyone in our last spell in the Prem).
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 10:45 - May 28 by JakeITFC
Yeah, don't disagree - he's a proper player (and along with Morgan Rogers impressed me as much as anyone in our last spell in the Prem).
By definition, picking an international squad for a tournament means that good players are left out and - for the most part - that's quite a subjective choice. Wharton is the one that disappoints me here though.
There's also a point in there about how an established PL club could allow him time to bed in without needing him to consistently perform in his first year. We didn't have that luxury two years ago and the natural variation of a talented young player gets ascribed to a bad attitude instead.
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 09:42 - May 28 by JakeITFC
I don't mind the Henderson pick in isolation, but I do think Wharton is a special player and will be in England teams in the future. They both play central midfield but would be asked to do different jobs - Henderson more likely to be a defensive replacement for Anderson and I think if Tuchel were to look at his bench when chasing a game he'd go for (whoever isn't already on of) Bellingham/Rogers/Eze as that more attacking 8 than putting Wharton on.
I think it’s a waste. If Tuchel wanted leadership, he could have brought Maguire into the fold who’s been excellent over the second half of the season. Then he’d have had two fit and in form players and covered his leadership needs.
I’ll probably be wrong, but I expect Henderson to add nothing on the pitch, if he even gets on it.
I think Tuchel clearly rates Henderson as a player more than many do. And he wants results right away. The England job is so short-termist that there's little incentive to plan for the future (no chance of him picking Dowman for example).
However, the chances of getting Henderson to go to the world cup as a glorified water carrier, when he's still a very decent Premier League midfielder are close to zero. Can you seriously imagine the boss ringing him up to tell him he's missed out, but he'd like him to come along to cheerlead for the likes of Wharton? I doubt that would be attractive. No money in it, no international appearances, no medal, no glory.
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Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 11:09 - May 28 with 1360 views
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 10:59 - May 28 by HighgateBlue
I think Tuchel clearly rates Henderson as a player more than many do. And he wants results right away. The England job is so short-termist that there's little incentive to plan for the future (no chance of him picking Dowman for example).
However, the chances of getting Henderson to go to the world cup as a glorified water carrier, when he's still a very decent Premier League midfielder are close to zero. Can you seriously imagine the boss ringing him up to tell him he's missed out, but he'd like him to come along to cheerlead for the likes of Wharton? I doubt that would be attractive. No money in it, no international appearances, no medal, no glory.
All members of the coaching team get medals - and if he’s thinking about his career post-playing then World Cup coach would look good on his CV. Anyway it’s hypothetical and I still think giving Wharton a chance ahead of him would have been the better option in both short and long term
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 10:54 - May 28 by Swansea_Blue
I think it’s a waste. If Tuchel wanted leadership, he could have brought Maguire into the fold who’s been excellent over the second half of the season. Then he’d have had two fit and in form players and covered his leadership needs.
I’ll probably be wrong, but I expect Henderson to add nothing on the pitch, if he even gets on it.
He's used him quite a lot in qualifying so I expect him to get minutes. We don't really have anyone else like him (not just experience but profile wise).
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Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 11:15 - May 28 with 1348 views
I genuinely think non-footballing factors might have played a part in this - and other - squad decisions. The group are away for seven weeks. Squad harmony is critical. Seen well-sourced journalists suggest that certain players are in because they're likely to be a big source of energy within the group.
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Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 19:36 - May 28 with 965 views
Pity you don't play in the dressing room. A good number of very senior pro's would be world class. Could have just picked AW and asked JH to become a member of his backroom team for the tournament, then give him whatever role in it Tuchel wanted.
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Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 20:10 - May 28 with 912 views
Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 19:36 - May 28 by armchaircritic59
Pity you don't play in the dressing room. A good number of very senior pro's would be world class. Could have just picked AW and asked JH to become a member of his backroom team for the tournament, then give him whatever role in it Tuchel wanted.
Exactly my point. I suppose we'll find out if he gets any minutes at all
Probably the kind of bloke that will put some egos in place in the dressing room.
I think Tuchel as viewed this as basically a one tournament deal from last Autumn and tried to set a standard (I know he's extended his contract since).
He obviously has Anderson and Rice as the nailed-on starters and before the last tournament we were experimenting going into it, so there is that. Rice had 3 or 4 partners in 2024 I think.
England will be in good shape with the likes of Wharton and Cowill in the future but he's picking what he wants for the summer, even if quite a bit of talent is left out. Can only imagine it's the same story for Dan Burn who in my opinion wouldn't look out of place in the Scotland squad.
Probably the kind of bloke that will put some egos in place in the dressing room.
I think Tuchel as viewed this as basically a one tournament deal from last Autumn and tried to set a standard (I know he's extended his contract since).
He obviously has Anderson and Rice as the nailed-on starters and before the last tournament we were experimenting going into it, so there is that. Rice had 3 or 4 partners in 2024 I think.
England will be in good shape with the likes of Wharton and Cowill in the future but he's picking what he wants for the summer, even if quite a bit of talent is left out. Can only imagine it's the same story for Dan Burn who in my opinion wouldn't look out of place in the Scotland squad.
The last sentence :)
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Jordan Henderson / Adam Wharton on 13:11 - May 29 with 479 views
Clearly. Those thinking he won’t get any minutes, will be disappointed.
He won’t start, but clearly I think in big games, if we’re winning, to close a game out, he’ll be an option.
Otherwise he would be a coach.
The number of fans who seem to think you get to be England manager, but have an IQ lower than your shoe size. There won’t be a single space given to anyone the gaffer doesn’t think could play at some point.., for obvious reasons.
Adam might be a better option in a lot of situations, but in the one described, 1-0 up, France, semi final, 5 to go .., a young player with zero big game experience for fresh legs??? Or Jordan.
I’m sure in that scenario, we all choose Hendo, and those are the very specific, fine margins, elite managers think about.
He might literally take him for his off the field qualities, and that one key scenario, which may or may not happen.
But if we get say injuries early in the comp to say Rice and Anderson.., I’d think Jude would drop in, Roger’s could, Stones and James could - so not sure there’s a similar scenario where Adam plays .., as good as he is, and yeah long terms take him for the ride and experience - but Tuchel wants to WIN this time, he couldn’t care less about four years time.
It’s refreshing TBH
Remember Bent missing out for Walcott - that was a shockingly bad decision in the here and now of that moment. Bent was banging goals in and could have added value in ways Walcott couldn’t.
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