| I still think there is only a very small possibilty 11:16 - Jun 3 with 3340 views | muccletonjoe |
Of McKenna going to Fulham. I know he almost left the last time we were promoted to the Premier league.
That was before the horrendous season we had up against the top teams.
If Fulham supporters are reticent about his appointment, this is where it stems from
and in my opinion it would be a bold move by both club and manager to make.
The fall out for us would be considerable, a new manager could quite possibly adopt a different style / formation , want different players brought to the club, and more importantly , want others out of the door.
Big, big decision for all concerned. One thing abundantly clear , is if McKenna doesn't go to Fulham , he wont be leaving for pastures new this summer . |  | | |  |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:23 - Jun 3 with 2744 views | wkj |
I am less optimistic, unfortunately. Whilst I think McKenna has been a great leader of the club and has achieved something astonishing here, he also has to consider his career. His agent would have taken note that his stock with PL headhunting him went down after we got promoted.
I think the agent, position he is in his career, hunger to grow and manage at the elite level will speak louder than loyalty. Additionally, McKenna can easily say that it has been Mission Accomplished from what he was tasked to do when he was hired on.
Do I think it will be Fulham? Probably not, but a team flirting with European ambitions and potential may well be another story. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:30 - Jun 3 with 2684 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:23 - Jun 3 by wkj |
I am less optimistic, unfortunately. Whilst I think McKenna has been a great leader of the club and has achieved something astonishing here, he also has to consider his career. His agent would have taken note that his stock with PL headhunting him went down after we got promoted.
I think the agent, position he is in his career, hunger to grow and manage at the elite level will speak louder than loyalty. Additionally, McKenna can easily say that it has been Mission Accomplished from what he was tasked to do when he was hired on.
Do I think it will be Fulham? Probably not, but a team flirting with European ambitions and potential may well be another story. |
I think he'll go to Fulham, I dont think he will get a better club looking at him.
Palace and Bournemouth didnt seem to show any interest. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:41 - Jun 3 with 2620 views | Basuco |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:23 - Jun 3 by wkj |
I am less optimistic, unfortunately. Whilst I think McKenna has been a great leader of the club and has achieved something astonishing here, he also has to consider his career. His agent would have taken note that his stock with PL headhunting him went down after we got promoted.
I think the agent, position he is in his career, hunger to grow and manage at the elite level will speak louder than loyalty. Additionally, McKenna can easily say that it has been Mission Accomplished from what he was tasked to do when he was hired on.
Do I think it will be Fulham? Probably not, but a team flirting with European ambitions and potential may well be another story. |
I 100% agree, KMc has earned the right to try his hand at managing at a higher lever if he feels it is the right club for him and his career. He has built a squad that achieved a double promotion, then rebuilt a stronger squad to get promoted immediately. I feel this year would be a great time to move on from his perspective.
But with my ITFC glasses on I think he needs another 10 years or so at Ipswich to continue his learning and development and take us onwards and establish Town as a solid Premier League club like Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace and of course Fulham and of course get us on another European tour. |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:47 - Jun 3 with 2571 views | jas0999 |
It’s beginning to look more likely though, isn’t it?
I’m not sure the views of Fulham fans will come into it. KM is ultimately highly respected and the Fulham board will know that.
I know bookies odds are largely irrelevant in this market, but clearly quite a bit of money has been placed on him. He’s 6/4 now.
It’s also being reported he’s interested in the move.
Time will tell I guess! |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:49 - Jun 3 with 2534 views | hype313 |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:47 - Jun 3 by jas0999 |
It’s beginning to look more likely though, isn’t it?
I’m not sure the views of Fulham fans will come into it. KM is ultimately highly respected and the Fulham board will know that.
I know bookies odds are largely irrelevant in this market, but clearly quite a bit of money has been placed on him. He’s 6/4 now.
It’s also being reported he’s interested in the move.
Time will tell I guess! |
Yeah, I think it's an 80% chance now, fwiw, I always had a sneaky suspicion he'd leave this summer regardless. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:50 - Jun 3 with 2531 views | blueoutlook |
Don’t think he will go. They aren’t that far ahead of us. Get it wrong with this appointment and they will struggle down there with us. Plus Mckenna is on a great wage here, has a fantastic new training ground that he had massive input on. Has a massive point to prove,that he can get more than 1 home win all season, which must eat at him that Premiership season. And probably needs to keep us up for PL owners to really start to take notice. |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:53 - Jun 3 with 2509 views | Weekender |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:47 - Jun 3 by jas0999 |
It’s beginning to look more likely though, isn’t it?
I’m not sure the views of Fulham fans will come into it. KM is ultimately highly respected and the Fulham board will know that.
I know bookies odds are largely irrelevant in this market, but clearly quite a bit of money has been placed on him. He’s 6/4 now.
It’s also being reported he’s interested in the move.
Time will tell I guess! |
We probably need to be a little careful with the odds, as there is likely to be very little money in this market. I suspect the initial prices have been set with the media reports about Fulham’s interest already factored in.
Next manager markets can be strange. A manager can go heavily odds-on on the back of speculation, only for someone else to get the job. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:56 - Jun 3 with 2472 views | NedPlimpton |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:49 - Jun 3 by hype313 |
Yeah, I think it's an 80% chance now, fwiw, I always had a sneaky suspicion he'd leave this summer regardless. |
What are you basing this on?
It's quite rare that an early bookmaker's favourite actually ends up getting the job |  | | |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 12:13 - Jun 3 with 2374 views | SWGF |
There are only ever 20 manager's jobs in the Prem League. Removing the top teams and the bottom teams that wouldn't appoint him or appeal to him, that leaves a select few that he could, realistically, move to and progress his career.
It'll all be about timing.
Should we (as the bookies expect) go down and he has another relegation on his CV, how many of those clubs will look to him, this time next year? Of course, we could "do a Sunderland" and his stock rises.
As I say, it's all in the timing. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 12:18 - Jun 3 with 2318 views | ParisBlue |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:30 - Jun 3 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think he'll go to Fulham, I dont think he will get a better club looking at him.
Palace and Bournemouth didnt seem to show any interest. |
If he doesn't go then you'd expect we'd be offering a new contract with 2 years left.
Been very quiet on that front, but you could see why KM might not be interested if the compensation limits his opportunities. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:27 - Jun 3 with 2116 views | jasondozzell |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:47 - Jun 3 by jas0999 |
It’s beginning to look more likely though, isn’t it?
I’m not sure the views of Fulham fans will come into it. KM is ultimately highly respected and the Fulham board will know that.
I know bookies odds are largely irrelevant in this market, but clearly quite a bit of money has been placed on him. He’s 6/4 now.
It’s also being reported he’s interested in the move.
Time will tell I guess! |
Knowing KM, he will listen to any offer regardless of what he thinks privately. We saw that with previous approaches. He's very methodical and reasoned so he c would ask his agent to let them outline their thinking.
But that doesn't mean he's interested. Would be interested (!) myself to know where that report comes from. It may be misinterpreting above.
I feel confident he will stay. He's building something here and it sounds as if the Americans are highly ambitious still. |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:32 - Jun 3 with 2069 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:23 - Jun 3 by wkj |
I am less optimistic, unfortunately. Whilst I think McKenna has been a great leader of the club and has achieved something astonishing here, he also has to consider his career. His agent would have taken note that his stock with PL headhunting him went down after we got promoted.
I think the agent, position he is in his career, hunger to grow and manage at the elite level will speak louder than loyalty. Additionally, McKenna can easily say that it has been Mission Accomplished from what he was tasked to do when he was hired on.
Do I think it will be Fulham? Probably not, but a team flirting with European ambitions and potential may well be another story. |
If he goes now he'll forever be able to claim he took Ipswich from 11th in L1 to ready to embark on their 2nd Premier League season in 3, in the space of 4.5 years. I could understand why leaving last time wasn't right for him, that really would've felt unfinished to do the back to backs and not lead us in the PL. Circumstances this time around are different though, and this might feel like the right time to cash his chips and go somewhere more established at this level. |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:32 - Jun 3 with 2071 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 11:47 - Jun 3 by jas0999 |
It’s beginning to look more likely though, isn’t it?
I’m not sure the views of Fulham fans will come into it. KM is ultimately highly respected and the Fulham board will know that.
I know bookies odds are largely irrelevant in this market, but clearly quite a bit of money has been placed on him. He’s 6/4 now.
It’s also being reported he’s interested in the move.
Time will tell I guess! |
365 have gone 10/11. Opened 5/2. Doesn’t take much money to move the price in these markets and he’s gone odds on for other jobs. |  |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:35 - Jun 3 with 2006 views | jasondozzell |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:32 - Jun 3 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
365 have gone 10/11. Opened 5/2. Doesn’t take much money to move the price in these markets and he’s gone odds on for other jobs. |
He was odds on favourite for Chelsea at one point, wasn't he. | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:42 - Jun 3 with 1981 views | Swoody |
I would be suprised if he took the Fulham job to be honest, as someone who lives very local to their training ground and has spent time around the club as my son trained there it really is not a step up from Ipswich. He would basicly be going to a club which has already reached it's potential. he has already stated that his family have settled in Ipswich and I think it will take something a bit more interesting than Fulham for him to move on. [Post edited 3 Jun 13:43]
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 10:38 - Jun 4 with 1592 views | darkhorse28 |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 13:27 - Jun 3 by jasondozzell |
Knowing KM, he will listen to any offer regardless of what he thinks privately. We saw that with previous approaches. He's very methodical and reasoned so he c would ask his agent to let them outline their thinking.
But that doesn't mean he's interested. Would be interested (!) myself to know where that report comes from. It may be misinterpreting above.
I feel confident he will stay. He's building something here and it sounds as if the Americans are highly ambitious still. |
Do you know him?
It doesn’t sound like you do. He agreed terms with Brighton. He was very close to agreeing with Palace.
He didn’t only stay for loyalty or because he’d had success and a connection. He stayed when owners flew in, made him one of the best paid managers in the league, more than Brighton would pay a manager with zero days PL experience, and more than Silva was paid at the time. With a promise to spend £120 million in a single window, and more in January if needed, which we delivered.
He stayed because with more money than god, he’d sold himself, Ashton, and the owners that the base case was staying up…., you know the rest.
He’s lifted his skirt to ANY club that would progress his career.
You don’t signal interest through your agent unless you want to leave, or get even more money at your current club.
£5 million. No club ever paid that in the EFL…, we have some fans saying we should pay MORE to keep him.
For context that’s saying he’s a European manager AT LEAST.., he hasn’t justified that level on contract, he hasn’t had a successful month at this level, let alone season.
The levels are staggering. If EFL success warranted world class contracts. Steve Bruce would be Barcelona boss.
EFL is miles off. And this group is actually no better than the legacy group who got us 96 points ahead of a Leeds team that then won promotion and SECURED premier league survival. Do you think Millwall will do that? And they don’t have Leeds’ legacy investment either.
Last season wasn’t elite. It wasn’t even Burnley levels.
That’s the reality. He won’t get a pay rise this time.., so he will leave, Evans she’s always been obsessed with his career above anything and we always were a proxy for that.
Nothing wrong with it. Good luck to him, he’s earned that for sure, 100 times over, couldn’t have done much more.
But at £5 million a year it’s an exciting opportunity. I don’t have faith in Ashton. But at that level there are managers available whose careers with dwarf McKennas in the here and now, and in the future.
As good a coach as KM is, and I’m not sure he’s top half premier league, he’s not good at many management skills like talent id, clearly. So he needs to be careful where he lands, Fulham are hit and miss - he shouldn’t have been so greedy and demanded £5 million plus from Brighton…, should have gone where talent id is elite. He’d likely have thrived.
McKenna back in the EFL with Fulham. I wouldn’t rule it out…, aging squad, wasting money.., who knows.
I do know it’s as big an opportunity for us as it is a threat.
We can do a million times worse than McKenna, but at that level, we can also do better.
Remember the good times, remember the level they were at, and celebrate those, he did great, but he’s not what you project…., it’s you that’s emotionally blind, not him. | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 17:00 - Jun 4 with 1406 views | TripSwitch |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 10:38 - Jun 4 by darkhorse28 |
Do you know him?
It doesn’t sound like you do. He agreed terms with Brighton. He was very close to agreeing with Palace.
He didn’t only stay for loyalty or because he’d had success and a connection. He stayed when owners flew in, made him one of the best paid managers in the league, more than Brighton would pay a manager with zero days PL experience, and more than Silva was paid at the time. With a promise to spend £120 million in a single window, and more in January if needed, which we delivered.
He stayed because with more money than god, he’d sold himself, Ashton, and the owners that the base case was staying up…., you know the rest.
He’s lifted his skirt to ANY club that would progress his career.
You don’t signal interest through your agent unless you want to leave, or get even more money at your current club.
£5 million. No club ever paid that in the EFL…, we have some fans saying we should pay MORE to keep him.
For context that’s saying he’s a European manager AT LEAST.., he hasn’t justified that level on contract, he hasn’t had a successful month at this level, let alone season.
The levels are staggering. If EFL success warranted world class contracts. Steve Bruce would be Barcelona boss.
EFL is miles off. And this group is actually no better than the legacy group who got us 96 points ahead of a Leeds team that then won promotion and SECURED premier league survival. Do you think Millwall will do that? And they don’t have Leeds’ legacy investment either.
Last season wasn’t elite. It wasn’t even Burnley levels.
That’s the reality. He won’t get a pay rise this time.., so he will leave, Evans she’s always been obsessed with his career above anything and we always were a proxy for that.
Nothing wrong with it. Good luck to him, he’s earned that for sure, 100 times over, couldn’t have done much more.
But at £5 million a year it’s an exciting opportunity. I don’t have faith in Ashton. But at that level there are managers available whose careers with dwarf McKennas in the here and now, and in the future.
As good a coach as KM is, and I’m not sure he’s top half premier league, he’s not good at many management skills like talent id, clearly. So he needs to be careful where he lands, Fulham are hit and miss - he shouldn’t have been so greedy and demanded £5 million plus from Brighton…, should have gone where talent id is elite. He’d likely have thrived.
McKenna back in the EFL with Fulham. I wouldn’t rule it out…, aging squad, wasting money.., who knows.
I do know it’s as big an opportunity for us as it is a threat.
We can do a million times worse than McKenna, but at that level, we can also do better.
Remember the good times, remember the level they were at, and celebrate those, he did great, but he’s not what you project…., it’s you that’s emotionally blind, not him. |
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| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 06:55 - Jun 5 with 1294 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 17:00 - Jun 4 by TripSwitch |
Disrespectful |
It might be disrespectful but sadly not a million miles off the mark.
By even 'showing interest' In the vacancy proves he isn't as committed to his position here as I would like. On the other hand, like the Lincoln manager who worked miracles and then shot off to Bristol City at first opportunity, it is their career and when your star is high... | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:09 - Jun 5 with 1133 views | muccletonjoe |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 06:55 - Jun 5 by Blue_In_Boston |
It might be disrespectful but sadly not a million miles off the mark.
By even 'showing interest' In the vacancy proves he isn't as committed to his position here as I would like. On the other hand, like the Lincoln manager who worked miracles and then shot off to Bristol City at first opportunity, it is their career and when your star is high... |
I think at this stage of the season , if any manager shows an interest in another club, it may not be ideal for the club he is at, to have things up in the air. But it is fair dues , I would not question Mckenna's commitment once the season has started, nor do I think he would leave once it has started. | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:17 - Jun 5 with 1091 views | bluebud |
Why is it "abundantly clear that if Mckenna doesn't go to Fulham he won't be leaving for pastures new this Summer"
Have you just made this assumption up? There is no evidence at all for your theory! |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:38 - Jun 5 with 992 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:09 - Jun 5 by muccletonjoe |
I think at this stage of the season , if any manager shows an interest in another club, it may not be ideal for the club he is at, to have things up in the air. But it is fair dues , I would not question Mckenna's commitment once the season has started, nor do I think he would leave once it has started. |
If your (or my) boss discovered we were showing interests in persuing interests outside of the company, they would certainly question commitment. | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:42 - Jun 5 with 973 views | gordon |
For all that I love McKenna, I can't believe that Fulham would choose to pay compensation for McKenna rather than get Frank or Slot for free? |  | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:46 - Jun 5 with 953 views | Rsj13 |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:38 - Jun 5 by Blue_In_Boston |
If your (or my) boss discovered we were showing interests in persuing interests outside of the company, they would certainly question commitment. |
The fact that fans are turning their back or saying "not that bothered if he leaves" or talking about who we should get if he leaves before he does, shows that the fan base isn't showing him the same loyalty that we're asking of him.
He'd be a fool not to listen to interesting offers, and then make an informed decision. Blind loyalty isn't loyalty, it's ignorance. | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:49 - Jun 5 with 940 views | Rsj13 |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:38 - Jun 5 by Blue_In_Boston |
If your (or my) boss discovered we were showing interests in persuing interests outside of the company, they would certainly question commitment. |
The fact that fans are turning their back or saying "not that bothered if he leaves" or talking about who we should get if he leaves before he does, shows that the fan base isn't showing him the same loyalty that we're asking of him.
He'd be a fool not to listen to interesting offers, and then make an informed decision. Blind loyalty isn't loyalty, it's ignorance. | | | |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 08:51 - Jun 5 with 919 views | Churchman |
| I still think there is only a very small possibilty on 06:55 - Jun 5 by Blue_In_Boston |
It might be disrespectful but sadly not a million miles off the mark.
By even 'showing interest' In the vacancy proves he isn't as committed to his position here as I would like. On the other hand, like the Lincoln manager who worked miracles and then shot off to Bristol City at first opportunity, it is their career and when your star is high... |
I haven’t read the post you are referring to thanks to the ignore button - life’s far too short to waste on relentless negativity and misery from a non-ITFC ‘supporter’.
However we don’t actually know whether he’s shown any interest or not. If he has, it doesn’t prove he’s not committed to what he’s doing here. We just don’t know.
I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t interested in vacancies. Why not? Surely most people are in their worlds and successful football managers are no different.
If I was his agent or if he asked my opinion as a friend (theoretically), I’d advise him to move on ASAP. He has been here a long time, has a lot to lose here reputation wise and little to gain. Fulham is a big step up and a new challenge for him and change is never a bad thing.
You have one career. Loyalty is something for football club’s supporters. Everyone else comes and goes, just as those of you who are employees do. That doesn’t stop him, you or me giving 100% when you are somewhere (I certainly did), but ambitious, driven people that football managers have to be willing to always look to the future at some stage. Even Klopp and Guardiola.
I really hope KM gives the PL another go with us, but I think he will go. If he does, I wish him the very best but my attention will be on who they replace him with. |  | | |
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