| The Potential O'Neil appointment 14:14 - Jun 19 with 3454 views | hype313 |
I'm not overly excited or enthused by him if he does become our manager, however, taking a step back, he has more experience in our current situation than OGS.
We can't gamble on a rookie, too much riding on it, fine mid table in League One with huge resources, but not when we're about to embark on a tough PL season.
There aren't many other candidates that are a) available b) achievable or c) float my boat.
So, with that being said, this appointment, whilst isn't sexy or inspiring, does have some credibility and thought behind it. [Post edited 19 Jun 14:15]
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:19 - Jun 19 with 2013 views | positivity |
we were all told that kmc had a fantastic salary, if that's the case we ought to have been able to attract better than a divisive character with a very mixed record in the prem |  |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:23 - Jun 19 with 1942 views | hype313 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:19 - Jun 19 by positivity |
we were all told that kmc had a fantastic salary, if that's the case we ought to have been able to attract better than a divisive character with a very mixed record in the prem |
It isn't just about salary though is it, someone like Thomas Frank could earn that elsewhere and have visions higher than trying to finish 17th. | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:23 - Jun 19 with 1938 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:19 - Jun 19 by positivity |
we were all told that kmc had a fantastic salary, if that's the case we ought to have been able to attract better than a divisive character with a very mixed record in the prem |
Exactly, with a 4-5 m budget available why are we not attracting top managers and coaches, We are a very nice job. |  | | |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:26 - Jun 19 with 1893 views | Zx1988 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:23 - Jun 19 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Exactly, with a 4-5 m budget available why are we not attracting top managers and coaches, We are a very nice job. |
Are we, though?
For all the salary that might be on offer, our playing budget will be no better than elsewhere (if not a little more restricted by the new PSR rules), and the successful candidate will be walking straight into a relegation battle with massive shoes to fill.
I can see why, if we've even approached them, bigger names may give us a swerve. | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:27 - Jun 19 with 1873 views | positivity |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:23 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
It isn't just about salary though is it, someone like Thomas Frank could earn that elsewhere and have visions higher than trying to finish 17th. |
there's several rungs between frank and o'neil on the managerial quality ladder though.
don't think o'neil was even on the longlist for fulham was he? | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:27 - Jun 19 with 1872 views | hype313 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:23 - Jun 19 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Exactly, with a 4-5 m budget available why are we not attracting top managers and coaches, We are a very nice job. |
We are, but the fact is, we are one of the favourites to go down, have pretty much 3 players that we know can handle the PL and need to bring in a dozen more to have any chance.
When I hear people say we should go for Glasner or Frank, it's madness, why would they go from their respective jobs, leaving teams in Europe to come here?
Think some of our fans need a reality check. | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:28 - Jun 19 with 1853 views | hype313 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:27 - Jun 19 by positivity |
there's several rungs between frank and o'neil on the managerial quality ladder though.
don't think o'neil was even on the longlist for fulham was he? |
So, who's in between? | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:29 - Jun 19 with 1837 views | JakeITFC |
I think the list of potentials (effectively the ones on the betting markets for us, Palace, Fulham etc.) was so uninspiring that it didn't really leave many that would be attractive.
Ashton seems keen to stress that it wasn't the time to take a punt but in some ways hiring from the stale old pool is the risk here. Gary O'Neill will have come recommended I'm sure, has personal friends within our technical staff and probably won't want to create massive upheaval but it feels like a very stodgy appointment for me.
Would of course back him unconditionally from the start should he get the job. |  | | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:31 - Jun 19 with 1807 views | pingu67 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:28 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
So, who's in between? |
Carlos Corberan | | | |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:32 - Jun 19 with 1794 views | BiGDonnie |
Shockingly bad and uninspiring appointment. Terrible record and changes clubs every year. |  |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:36 - Jun 19 with 1737 views | hype313 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:31 - Jun 19 by pingu67 |
Carlos Corberan |
Who finished 9th in his last season at West Brom and just finished 9th in La Liga.
Not exactly levels above GON is it? | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:37 - Jun 19 with 1736 views | positivity |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:28 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
So, who's in between? |
between us and fulham in the relegation odds?
just sunderland, so this is the kind of team we have to be competing with. look at the names on their list and compare it to ours.
i think we need to be looking at our version of de zerbi, hurzeler, mckenna, frank, silva, iraola(when they arrived at their clubs, not now, clearly!), rather than looking in the same old pool of the failed british managers lunch club | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:38 - Jun 19 with 1713 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I think its hard to get excited about someone who has spent their managerial career circling the drain. But there is more nuance to it I guess.
I think he did OK at Bournemouth, but Iraola has really moved them on since he left. Maybe GON did the hard bit.
He had some fantastic players at Wolves including Cunha and Ait Nouri. Kilman was very good then too. So thats a bit harder to judge.
I dont think GON is a sexy appointment, but hes not necessarily a bad one. I guess its easier to think we know he has a low ceiling, whereas if we appoint an unknown, our imagination can run wild.
Whoever gets appointed will have my backing. |  |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:40 - Jun 19 with 1673 views | TractorJack |
Don't you mean there aren't other candidates that you are personally aware of? It's the same story as player recruitment. We clearly don't have eyes in the right places. |  | | |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:40 - Jun 19 with 1665 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:23 - Jun 19 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Exactly, with a 4-5 m budget available why are we not attracting top managers and coaches, We are a very nice job. |
What “top managers” do you realistically think we could get? Name names. |  |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:43 - Jun 19 with 1653 views | positivity |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:38 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think its hard to get excited about someone who has spent their managerial career circling the drain. But there is more nuance to it I guess.
I think he did OK at Bournemouth, but Iraola has really moved them on since he left. Maybe GON did the hard bit.
He had some fantastic players at Wolves including Cunha and Ait Nouri. Kilman was very good then too. So thats a bit harder to judge.
I dont think GON is a sexy appointment, but hes not necessarily a bad one. I guess its easier to think we know he has a low ceiling, whereas if we appoint an unknown, our imagination can run wild.
Whoever gets appointed will have my backing. |
i really hope, we're not giving him mckenna's salary.
mckenna earned that through years of good work, that o'neil hasn't come close to. if it's a short-term appointment (with big bonuses if he keeps us up), i'm fine with that, but for 4-5m we should attract much better | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:43 - Jun 19 with 1638 views | nodge_blue |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:19 - Jun 19 by positivity |
we were all told that kmc had a fantastic salary, if that's the case we ought to have been able to attract better than a divisive character with a very mixed record in the prem |
why is he a divisive character? |  |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:45 - Jun 19 with 1615 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:43 - Jun 19 by positivity |
i really hope, we're not giving him mckenna's salary.
mckenna earned that through years of good work, that o'neil hasn't come close to. if it's a short-term appointment (with big bonuses if he keeps us up), i'm fine with that, but for 4-5m we should attract much better |
I doubt he will, KM had us over a barrel when he was given that. | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:45 - Jun 19 with 1609 views | positivity |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:43 - Jun 19 by nodge_blue |
why is he a divisive character? |
look at some of his interviews from the end of his wolves spell, could never see mckenna behaving like that | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:45 - Jun 19 with 1603 views | N2_Blue |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:43 - Jun 19 by positivity |
i really hope, we're not giving him mckenna's salary.
mckenna earned that through years of good work, that o'neil hasn't come close to. if it's a short-term appointment (with big bonuses if he keeps us up), i'm fine with that, but for 4-5m we should attract much better |
No chance! |  |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:46 - Jun 19 with 1584 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:27 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
We are, but the fact is, we are one of the favourites to go down, have pretty much 3 players that we know can handle the PL and need to bring in a dozen more to have any chance.
When I hear people say we should go for Glasner or Frank, it's madness, why would they go from their respective jobs, leaving teams in Europe to come here?
Think some of our fans need a reality check. |
I will likely get pelters for this but IMO Ashton is not a top level premier league / European operator, championship sure.
Could one of the reasons be why we cannot pull bigger names because of what seems like narrow avenues of contacts he has open to him, the ceiling seems to me fairly limited on the manager front, as you said we need a new team too, agreed.
Yes he appointed KM but both had the luxury of time to settle in and build something over _ years.
Let's see! | | | |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:49 - Jun 19 with 1551 views | hype313 |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:46 - Jun 19 by WolfieAtTheBack |
I will likely get pelters for this but IMO Ashton is not a top level premier league / European operator, championship sure.
Could one of the reasons be why we cannot pull bigger names because of what seems like narrow avenues of contacts he has open to him, the ceiling seems to me fairly limited on the manager front, as you said we need a new team too, agreed.
Yes he appointed KM but both had the luxury of time to settle in and build something over _ years.
Let's see! |
I can see your argument and it might have merit, but I just think there is a dearth of decent managers available right now, and whilst we're a decent, well run club, the job itself is a tough sell to anyone with recent success in the PL. | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:50 - Jun 19 with 1538 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:40 - Jun 19 by Illinoisblue |
What “top managers” do you realistically think we could get? Name names. |
One that isn't Gary O Neil who most people agree he was a bit of a wally at Wolves with his stupid interviews and toy throwing. | | | |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:51 - Jun 19 with 1529 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:38 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think its hard to get excited about someone who has spent their managerial career circling the drain. But there is more nuance to it I guess.
I think he did OK at Bournemouth, but Iraola has really moved them on since he left. Maybe GON did the hard bit.
He had some fantastic players at Wolves including Cunha and Ait Nouri. Kilman was very good then too. So thats a bit harder to judge.
I dont think GON is a sexy appointment, but hes not necessarily a bad one. I guess its easier to think we know he has a low ceiling, whereas if we appoint an unknown, our imagination can run wild.
Whoever gets appointed will have my backing. |
As for circling the drain, he might counter with Ipswich have been near the (prem) drain only once in 20 years so maybe give the new guy a chance. | |
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| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:51 - Jun 19 with 1523 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| The Potential O'Neil appointment on 14:49 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
I can see your argument and it might have merit, but I just think there is a dearth of decent managers available right now, and whilst we're a decent, well run club, the job itself is a tough sell to anyone with recent success in the PL. |
Fact is we had the best one we could have, that is now very clear isn't it. | | | |
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