| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap 20:33 - Jun 22 with 714 views | Simonds92 |
Dont get it at all. More than happy to wait for the right man, even if that's not until the end of the world cup. Far more important to get this right rather than appointing the wrong man, replacing him by November leaving the new manager working with players he doesn't fancy.
Obviously this is all irrelevant because it's O'Neil, I just don't understand the panic for it to be done so quickly. |  | | |  |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 06:52 - Jun 23 with 534 views | RIPbobby |
It would appear that a team above the manager buys the team anyway so having a gaffer in makes little difference with regards to recruitment. It also makes sense as to why some players played hardly any minutes last term. |  | | |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 07:50 - Jun 23 with 444 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
We have a lot of impatient twonks as supporters. |  |
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| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 09:34 - Jun 23 with 379 views | Len_Brennan |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 06:52 - Jun 23 by RIPbobby |
It would appear that a team above the manager buys the team anyway so having a gaffer in makes little difference with regards to recruitment. It also makes sense as to why some players played hardly any minutes last term. |
Is that true though?
Are we likely to go on a £150m spending spree without the approval of the man who will be managing those players, in the system he wants to employ?
O'Neill might want to prioritise a different type of player than OGS would; if he is going to play with a second striker, rather than a 4-2-3-1, we will not only need an additional front man, but different styles of front men etc.
We may well have a couple of potential deals well down the track, but I'd be surprised if anyone comes in before the manager is in place. Look at the ridiculous situation Kieran Trippier finds himself in. | |
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| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:03 - Jun 23 with 339 views | darkhorse28 |
I don’t think so here is panic, or it’s either or.
Ashton won’t be able to attract or not a world class manager because there is a World Cup.
He can or he can’t. There’s 35 years of evidence to suggest it’s can’t.
He’s very good at lots of things, this isn’t one, like recruitment isn’t either…, making him the only football voice at the club, and building all our football IQ around any one individual is a disaster.
Anyone that has clapped his power grab, with zero scrutiny, is a stakeholder in what happens next.
I don’t mind GON tbh, think he might surprise a few. But the process and Ashton FC dynamic is a car crash from start to finish …, zero scrutiny does this.
Even if he was Bloom it wouldn’t be ideal, but he’s obviously not, we’re now as a club only ever going to be as good as ONE man, no club has been successful (at this level) with that model for about 30 years.
Marks stuck in 90’s.
The games changed. | | | |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:34 - Jun 23 with 304 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:03 - Jun 23 by darkhorse28 |
I don’t think so here is panic, or it’s either or.
Ashton won’t be able to attract or not a world class manager because there is a World Cup.
He can or he can’t. There’s 35 years of evidence to suggest it’s can’t.
He’s very good at lots of things, this isn’t one, like recruitment isn’t either…, making him the only football voice at the club, and building all our football IQ around any one individual is a disaster.
Anyone that has clapped his power grab, with zero scrutiny, is a stakeholder in what happens next.
I don’t mind GON tbh, think he might surprise a few. But the process and Ashton FC dynamic is a car crash from start to finish …, zero scrutiny does this.
Even if he was Bloom it wouldn’t be ideal, but he’s obviously not, we’re now as a club only ever going to be as good as ONE man, no club has been successful (at this level) with that model for about 30 years.
Marks stuck in 90’s.
The games changed. |
What a car crash/disaster 3 promotions in 4 years has been. When will this misery ever end?! | |
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| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:55 - Jun 23 with 284 views | Vaughan8 |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 06:52 - Jun 23 by RIPbobby |
It would appear that a team above the manager buys the team anyway so having a gaffer in makes little difference with regards to recruitment. It also makes sense as to why some players played hardly any minutes last term. |
Does that really happen without consulting a manager?
Different managers have different styles, want different players etc.
No point buying players, especially for a fair bit of money, that aren't going to get used. | | | |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:56 - Jun 23 with 283 views | itfc_statman |
If anything, the longer we can go WITHOUT appointing O'Neil, the better our chances of survival. Take your time Ashton.. | | | |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 11:24 - Jun 23 with 214 views | itfc2021 |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:03 - Jun 23 by darkhorse28 |
I don’t think so here is panic, or it’s either or.
Ashton won’t be able to attract or not a world class manager because there is a World Cup.
He can or he can’t. There’s 35 years of evidence to suggest it’s can’t.
He’s very good at lots of things, this isn’t one, like recruitment isn’t either…, making him the only football voice at the club, and building all our football IQ around any one individual is a disaster.
Anyone that has clapped his power grab, with zero scrutiny, is a stakeholder in what happens next.
I don’t mind GON tbh, think he might surprise a few. But the process and Ashton FC dynamic is a car crash from start to finish …, zero scrutiny does this.
Even if he was Bloom it wouldn’t be ideal, but he’s obviously not, we’re now as a club only ever going to be as good as ONE man, no club has been successful (at this level) with that model for about 30 years.
Marks stuck in 90’s.
The games changed. |
I think you're mixing together a couple of seperate arguments there and I'm not sure they're necessarily the same thing. Thats probably where some of the CONFUSION comes from really.
I can understand the concern about too much POWER sitting with one person. In an ideal world you'd want strong football people throughout the club challenging each other and contributing different viewpoints. Thats a fair criticism and one worth discussing. Whether thats actually the situation internally though , none of us really know and probably never will.
Where I struggle a bit is the idea that the people running the club are apparently terrible at this side of things despite the club making huge PROGRESS over the last few years. You don't accidentally stumble from League One into the Premier League whilst improving the infrastructure, recruitment, finances and overall direction of the club. That doesnt mean every decision is right, but it does suggest atleast some competence is involved somewhere along the line.
I also think people are maybe overstating how much of a one-man operation this all is. Unless people genuinely believe one bloke is sat in a room on his own making every football decision then there are clearly other voices involved in recruitment, analysis and STRATEGY. Maybe not enough for your liking, fair enough, but I doubt it's as simple as "Ashton FC" either. Atleast not from the outside looking in anyway.
The O'Neil appointment itself is where alot of the debate should be. I can completely understand people looking at his record and having QUESTIONS. Thats perfectly reasonable. What I dont really buy is the idea that because people have concerns about one appointment it automatically proves the entire model is broken. Feels like a bit of a leap to me.
Ultimately this is where RESULTS matter. If O'Neil struggles then scrutiny of the process is absolutely justified and people will have every right to ask difficult questions. If he succeeds then alot of the current criticism will probably disappear overnight. Thats football , people tend to judge outcomes more than processes and always have done.
For me the biggest UNKNOWN is whether the club's structure is strong enough to thrive after McKenna rather than whether Ashton is some sort of football genius or football idiot. Reality is the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Like most football clubs there will be things they're very good at and things they get wrong. The next 12 months will tell us alot more than any forum debate ever will , or atleast thats how I see it. [Post edited 23 Jun 11:26]
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| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 11:34 - Jun 23 with 171 views | southnorfolkblue |
Depends on the managers involvement in recruitment imho. I think that virtually all of us think that the current squad is way short of the standard needed to stay up. On that basis there’s a lot of recruitment to be done, which would ideally be done sooner rather than later. If the manager is to have no input (which I would find surprising tbh), then waiting is an option | |
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| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 11:41 - Jun 23 with 146 views | Churchman |
| Seen a lot of posts flapping about getting a new manager in place asap on 10:03 - Jun 23 by darkhorse28 |
I don’t think so here is panic, or it’s either or.
Ashton won’t be able to attract or not a world class manager because there is a World Cup.
He can or he can’t. There’s 35 years of evidence to suggest it’s can’t.
He’s very good at lots of things, this isn’t one, like recruitment isn’t either…, making him the only football voice at the club, and building all our football IQ around any one individual is a disaster.
Anyone that has clapped his power grab, with zero scrutiny, is a stakeholder in what happens next.
I don’t mind GON tbh, think he might surprise a few. But the process and Ashton FC dynamic is a car crash from start to finish …, zero scrutiny does this.
Even if he was Bloom it wouldn’t be ideal, but he’s obviously not, we’re now as a club only ever going to be as good as ONE man, no club has been successful (at this level) with that model for about 30 years.
Marks stuck in 90’s.
The games changed. |
Optimism, happiness, the moment, three promotions in four years…..not really your thing, I guess.
Still, you are not alone. There are plenty of others for whom the last four years have been an unbroken sequence of unfettered misery. |  | | |
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