| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) 19:41 - Nov 8 with 3811 views | jasondozzell |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 00:16 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Have you ever heard the expression…. toxic positivity? |  |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 07:02 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
Surprised at the amount of downarrows you've had for this post.
I said to my mates at half time, if you take out Walton's brainfart that was actually a pretty decent performance. Especially considering all the talent they have, even on the bench. We're not up to their level yet, and there's no shame in that.
Some of our fans want everything, and want it now. |  |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 08:36 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 07:02 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Surprised at the amount of downarrows you've had for this post.
I said to my mates at half time, if you take out Walton's brainfart that was actually a pretty decent performance. Especially considering all the talent they have, even on the bench. We're not up to their level yet, and there's no shame in that.
Some of our fans want everything, and want it now. |
I really struggle to see how you can possibly think it was a good performance in the first half. Bournemouth missed a sitter and had half-chances and shots from outside the box, while we didn't create anything at all.
Passing well in midfield while struggling at the back and having no threat going forward isn't a good performance. |  | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 08:46 - Nov 9 | Wallingford_Boy |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 20:01 - Nov 8 by jasondozzell |
Perhaps not by our high standards this season but we were in the game mistakes aside. Don't think we looked outplayed by Bournemouth at any point.
Goal threat was an issue, agree. We get in some great positions and don't make enough of them.
But I thought first half we were decent. |
"Our high standards this season"?!
I must have missed that bit. Not too many matches this season where we have played very well. We have in bits of a few games, but without the last minute goals, we'd be bottom.
Others around us are showing some form (other than Palace) but I am still waiting for us to kick into life.
Palacios (other than yesterday) and Enciso aside, not too many impressing this season.
But a long way to go and I am sure it'll get better. Defenders in January are a must though, we are all over the place at the back every single game!! |  |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 08:52 - Nov 9 | DJR |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 00:16 - Nov 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Have you ever heard the expression…. toxic positivity? |
I think I prefer toxic positivity to toxic negativity.  |  | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 09:33 - Nov 9 | TownieRob |
We've gone back and forth a number of times over the last couple of seasons, mainly because of what I feel is your completely over the top positivity (which I think a few others in this thread are picking up on too). That said, I actually thought the first half was OK, so I can kind of agree with you. We put some decent stuff together and had Walton not made a massive F/U, we'd have gone in level. Given the opposition's recent form and quality, that would have been more than acceptable.
The second half wasn't great though. We didn't really create much at all. So, over 90 minutes, was it a good performance? I'm not so sure. Unless we're now suggesting that not getting blown away by teams constitutes a good performance, in which case, yes, I suppose it was. At the start of the season, I'd have had this down as a game we really needed to pick up points from at home, given they would be in the 'league within a league'. Their recent results suggest they might be a bit better than that though.
It's not all doom and gloom from me, far from it. Equally, I don't share what I feel is your over the top positivity either. There's a middle ground here, in my opinion. | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 09:42 - Nov 9 | dirtyboy |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 08:36 - Nov 9 by Adams |
I really struggle to see how you can possibly think it was a good performance in the first half. Bournemouth missed a sitter and had half-chances and shots from outside the box, while we didn't create anything at all.
Passing well in midfield while struggling at the back and having no threat going forward isn't a good performance. |
I thought we did okay against a team I really thought would give us a proper pasting.
Simple as that.
Anyone who went to today's game expecting a win were deluded.
Additionally, without that gift in the 4th minute, could have been a different game. |  | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 09:49 - Nov 9 | Olcol |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 22:50 - Nov 8 by Sarge |
We could have played Boreham Wood today instead and they’d have scored those goals. Any team would when you basically let them walk it in the net. |
Bournemouth were average at best, we gave them the game. We looked better with Clark on but still not good enough to get a result. A few of our players were off it. | | | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 10:21 - Nov 9 | blueoutlook |
Sorry. Too many championship standard players in the team. Not good enough. 200 million spent and the defence looks a shambles. |  | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 08:36 - Nov 9 by Adams |
I really struggle to see how you can possibly think it was a good performance in the first half. Bournemouth missed a sitter and had half-chances and shots from outside the box, while we didn't create anything at all.
Passing well in midfield while struggling at the back and having no threat going forward isn't a good performance. |
Depends what you call creating. We got into some very good positions, were going at them down the wings, and just very often couldn't quite get the perfect position for a shot. Philogene had one on target. It's just simply not true to say "we didn't create anything at all." | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 10:57 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 08:46 - Nov 9 by Wallingford_Boy |
"Our high standards this season"?!
I must have missed that bit. Not too many matches this season where we have played very well. We have in bits of a few games, but without the last minute goals, we'd be bottom.
Others around us are showing some form (other than Palace) but I am still waiting for us to kick into life.
Palacios (other than yesterday) and Enciso aside, not too many impressing this season.
But a long way to go and I am sure it'll get better. Defenders in January are a must though, we are all over the place at the back every single game!! |
"but without the last minute goals, we'd be bottom."
Those last minute goals are a plus! They show we never give up.
And goals count whatever minute they come in. You can't just remove them and say we'd be bottom! | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:04 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Depends what you call creating. We got into some very good positions, were going at them down the wings, and just very often couldn't quite get the perfect position for a shot. Philogene had one on target. It's just simply not true to say "we didn't create anything at all." |
I think everyone understands what I mean by not creating anything. We didn't create any good chances. Going at them down the wings and not creating a chance certainly isn't creating anything. Our Xg was 0.3 in the first half.
it's very true that we didn't create anything at all | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:07 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 09:42 - Nov 9 by dirtyboy |
I thought we did okay against a team I really thought would give us a proper pasting.
Simple as that.
Anyone who went to today's game expecting a win were deluded.
Additionally, without that gift in the 4th minute, could have been a different game. |
No one was expecting a win, but a win was a possibility.
Could have been different, but it wasn't a different game. The reality is we weren't ever in it and never caused them any issues at all. It was easy for them. | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:09 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:04 - Nov 9 by Adams |
I think everyone understands what I mean by not creating anything. We didn't create any good chances. Going at them down the wings and not creating a chance certainly isn't creating anything. Our Xg was 0.3 in the first half.
it's very true that we didn't create anything at all |
So Philogene's shot on target doesn't count as a chance? | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:20 - Nov 9 | Billywitch |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 10:21 - Nov 9 by blueoutlook |
Sorry. Too many championship standard players in the team. Not good enough. 200 million spent and the defence looks a shambles. |
Walton, DOS... who else is championship standard from the starting line up? | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:00 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:09 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So Philogene's shot on target doesn't count as a chance? |
I said good chances, and no, a shot from outside the box with 7 defenders behind the ball isn't a good chance. That being the best thing we managed in the half showed how little we created. | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:12 - Nov 9 | mellowblue |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 11:09 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So Philogene's shot on target doesn't count as a chance? |
Case in point really, shows how lacking punch we were when we are scrabbling around to find that Philogene's scuffy tame shot was our chance. | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:40 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:00 - Nov 9 by Adams |
I said good chances, and no, a shot from outside the box with 7 defenders behind the ball isn't a good chance. That being the best thing we managed in the half showed how little we created. |
You said, "we didn't create anything at all".
There were also two decent free kicks by Encisso, one tipped over.
Flemming had a header tipped over.
We didn't create enough, or enough good chances, but this narrative that we were rubbish and didn't create anything is nonsense. I think people are so hung up on the mistakes they forget anything good we did. I stand by my comment that we were decent first half, and those around me agreed. | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:40 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:12 - Nov 9 by mellowblue |
Case in point really, shows how lacking punch we were when we are scrabbling around to find that Philogene's scuffy tame shot was our chance. |
That was just an example. It wasn't our only chance. | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:59 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:40 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said, "we didn't create anything at all".
There were also two decent free kicks by Encisso, one tipped over.
Flemming had a header tipped over.
We didn't create enough, or enough good chances, but this narrative that we were rubbish and didn't create anything is nonsense. I think people are so hung up on the mistakes they forget anything good we did. I stand by my comment that we were decent first half, and those around me agreed. |
We were specifically talking about the first half, so your examples aren't relevant to the discussion. | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 14:03 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 13:12 - Nov 9 by mellowblue |
Case in point really, shows how lacking punch we were when we are scrabbling around to find that Philogene's scuffy tame shot was our chance. |
Some people are desperate to pretend we were better than we were.
It's bad when they start mentioning a scuffed long-range shot and two long-range free kicks, none of which caused the keeper any trouble, as examples of us creating something! | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 14:21 - Nov 9 | Vaughan8 |
I'm all for being positive and most game shave been this season, but yesterday, we didn't create much. We got in the game with an odd/dodgy penalty.
Bournemouth didn't get out of second gear (much like Liverpool didn't) and they missed 2 sitters. If we'd have lost 4-0 but played like we did, no-one would be saying the performance was good....!
I think its a case of looking at the score and the last few minutes. On the whole, we rarely threatened Bournemouth. | | | |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 14:58 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 14:03 - Nov 9 by Adams |
Some people are desperate to pretend we were better than we were.
It's bad when they start mentioning a scuffed long-range shot and two long-range free kicks, none of which caused the keeper any trouble, as examples of us creating something! |
And some people are the opposite.
You've claimed "we didn't create anything at all".
Now you're talking about some chances not being that great.
You're contradicting yourself!
You could've just said we didn't create enough, and I'd have agreed.
People always go to such extremes on here! | |
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 19:51 - Nov 9 | Adams |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 14:58 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And some people are the opposite.
You've claimed "we didn't create anything at all".
Now you're talking about some chances not being that great.
You're contradicting yourself!
You could've just said we didn't create enough, and I'd have agreed.
People always go to such extremes on here! |
Do you take everything literally? When someone says the team didn't create anything, they mean anything decent. It doesn't mean we had hopeful shots from distance. Any sensible person understands this, and I don't believe for one second you're not intelligent enough to understand what is meant.
In the first half, all we managed were long-range shots while they still had people behind the ball. That's because we were unable to create anything and had to take long shots. Our xG was under 0.3, and for the whole game (outside the soft penalty), it was 0.45. The best we had outside of the pen was Philogene with 0.12.
That's horrific for a team at home, and as bad as it gets. If you're restricted to long shots, that means you've not been able to create anything. [Post edited 9 Nov 19:53]
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| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 20:56 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bad mistakes, good performance (n/t) on 19:51 - Nov 9 by Adams |
Do you take everything literally? When someone says the team didn't create anything, they mean anything decent. It doesn't mean we had hopeful shots from distance. Any sensible person understands this, and I don't believe for one second you're not intelligent enough to understand what is meant.
In the first half, all we managed were long-range shots while they still had people behind the ball. That's because we were unable to create anything and had to take long shots. Our xG was under 0.3, and for the whole game (outside the soft penalty), it was 0.45. The best we had outside of the pen was Philogene with 0.12.
That's horrific for a team at home, and as bad as it gets. If you're restricted to long shots, that means you've not been able to create anything. [Post edited 9 Nov 19:53]
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Yes, I do tend to take things quite literally. That's probably on me.
Our xG for the full game, according to the BBC, was 1.24, so I'm not sure how you've worked out 0.45. But I'm probably taking what you've said there rather literally. | |
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