| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company 23:01 - Jun 26 with 4233 views | unstableblue |
A brilliant piece... an innovative UK company based who make survival equipment, they need certainty ASAP on Brexit trade arrangements.
They are holding up millions of investment, and the letting of quality jobs in the UK. Including jobs in their supply chain and construction to pour the concrete.
They think a soft brexit would cost £250,000 in extra cost on trades; hard £1m, on a new product line
They'd potentially move jobs on this innovative new product to France if a good Brexit is not organised effectively.
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:05 - Jun 26 with 3089 views | factual_blue |
f*** business, according to our dim Foreign Secretary. |  |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:16 - Jun 26 with 3067 views | StokieBlue |
Saw the piece.
"When are we going to pull our finger out?"
What do you mean exactly?
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:35 - Jun 26 with 3057 views | unstableblue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:16 - Jun 26 by StokieBlue |
Saw the piece.
"When are we going to pull our finger out?"
What do you mean exactly?
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There are a number of things... the conservative government needs to stop the infighting, our
Brexit team need to start delivering the information businesss and Europe are demanding, the hardline Tory Brexiteers need to move position, but MOST IMPORTANTLY we as a people and a government need to wake up to the reality and gravenes of the Brexit and start to put in measures and diplomacy that are going to minimise the economic damage
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:41 - Jun 26 with 3034 views | unstableblue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:05 - Jun 26 by factual_blue |
f*** business, according to our dim Foreign Secretary. |
The fact boris is still in the cabinet emphasises how divided, dysfunctional and weakly led is the government that is supposed to be driving a good Brexit.
You have these hardliners going for a hard Brexit who think they have a mandate from the people... whereas those very same people will be screaming blue murder when the effects kick in | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:29 - Jun 27 with 2836 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:35 - Jun 26 by unstableblue |
There are a number of things... the conservative government needs to stop the infighting, our
Brexit team need to start delivering the information businesss and Europe are demanding, the hardline Tory Brexiteers need to move position, but MOST IMPORTANTLY we as a people and a government need to wake up to the reality and gravenes of the Brexit and start to put in measures and diplomacy that are going to minimise the economic damage
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Excellent summary of where we are, from people who are clearly sympathetic to UK, but equally, or consequently. quite concerned |  | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:34 - Jun 27 with 2825 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:41 - Jun 26 by unstableblue |
The fact boris is still in the cabinet emphasises how divided, dysfunctional and weakly led is the government that is supposed to be driving a good Brexit.
You have these hardliners going for a hard Brexit who think they have a mandate from the people... whereas those very same people will be screaming blue murder when the effects kick in |
Boris staying put also shows, in reality, the tories want to leave the EU.
What the media still have not grasped is how many tories are doing this to make a lot of money - only Redwood & Rees-Mogg have been identified but what about all the others who will beneft when all rgulations are swept away? | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:49 - Jun 27 with 2818 views | unstableblue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 23:35 - Jun 26 by unstableblue |
There are a number of things... the conservative government needs to stop the infighting, our
Brexit team need to start delivering the information businesss and Europe are demanding, the hardline Tory Brexiteers need to move position, but MOST IMPORTANTLY we as a people and a government need to wake up to the reality and gravenes of the Brexit and start to put in measures and diplomacy that are going to minimise the economic damage
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What I find very telling, and looking back at the newsnight piece.. is the comment that there has been a lack of macro economic modelling on the Brexit scenarios.. multiplying the impacts shown on that UK company.
Clearly I think German industry is a key to getting is a good deal; and we really now need to see hard numbers showing the pros and cons for BOTH the UK and Europe of hard vs soft Brexit.
We need an open and sensible debate here.... its not hard to do. Its actually what 'Project Fear' did in part and which was derided as it came from 'the establishment'
We need to start giving the UK people very clear guidance on what is happening... and start being quite honest :
"you voted for Brexit because you wanted immigration to go down" but in reality immigration from Southern Asia is a big factor, and we need a very large portion of the European immigration to support our economy, especially things like the NHS
"you voted to remove Europe red-tape and bureaucracy" when in fact we are spending XX billion on rebuilding it in the Uk and we have lost economies of scale
"you voted to 'take back control'" but we are in danger of losing control of our economy and strategic direction for several decades, and out government is now dysfuntional
"Brexit is going to hurt your pockets and your childrens pockets by XX amount, and we expect an economic downturn lasting XX years"
"we have an option to stay in the customs union, but the compromise is this XXX approach to immigration, would you now accepts this?"
Sensible open discussion with real metrics and real positive dialogoue with Europe.
Not of course as the Americans in the video point out... we are not in the club anymore and our bargaining position is fecked. But we have got ourselves in this mess.
The saddest thing is that Farage's success has bolstered some pretty grim political parties around Europe... jeopardising good and forward thinking leadership... so we have already caused huge damage to the European project
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:57 - Jun 27 with 2800 views | unstableblue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:34 - Jun 27 by No9 |
Boris staying put also shows, in reality, the tories want to leave the EU.
What the media still have not grasped is how many tories are doing this to make a lot of money - only Redwood & Rees-Mogg have been identified but what about all the others who will beneft when all rgulations are swept away? |
I think its a mix some tory hard brexiteers are self serving.. others are just harping back to some misty eyed view of Empire... of WW2 success of an England (and it is an England view) that is now completely irrelevant....
We should be part of a progressive Europe.. that punches its weight in defence and economy and research at being together... that can challenge India, China and the USA
One of the things that saddens me most about Brexit is the distance being putting in place between the UK and European industrial and academic research... which again means nothing to a Brexiteer.... but will eventually cascade into hitting the economy and jobs.
Brexit was too complex to give 'to the people' and the remain campaign misjudged the simplicity of the message needed and the stated need for 'red meat' by the public (as has now been revealed by Tories)..... | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:21 - Jun 27 with 2766 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:57 - Jun 27 by unstableblue |
I think its a mix some tory hard brexiteers are self serving.. others are just harping back to some misty eyed view of Empire... of WW2 success of an England (and it is an England view) that is now completely irrelevant....
We should be part of a progressive Europe.. that punches its weight in defence and economy and research at being together... that can challenge India, China and the USA
One of the things that saddens me most about Brexit is the distance being putting in place between the UK and European industrial and academic research... which again means nothing to a Brexiteer.... but will eventually cascade into hitting the economy and jobs.
Brexit was too complex to give 'to the people' and the remain campaign misjudged the simplicity of the message needed and the stated need for 'red meat' by the public (as has now been revealed by Tories)..... |
A progressive Europe is the last thing the right wing want & it is disturbing that so many of the leave group see the rightwing way as being some sort of salvation and panacea to all the UK's ills.
A failure by government to point out how much of our day to day needs come from the EU and how since 2010 that situation has been made worse as now many industries are totally relian on EU companies.
As the Foreign Secretary now says 'Fcuk business' it should be obvious to even the most ardent leave supporter that this has nothing to do with supporting the Uk to move forward but everythign to do with taking the UK backward-overriding any rights we have and using 3rd world labour to drive down wages until we can compete with the lowest price / cost nations. | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:28 - Jun 27 with 2758 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 08:34 - Jun 27 by No9 |
Boris staying put also shows, in reality, the tories want to leave the EU.
What the media still have not grasped is how many tories are doing this to make a lot of money - only Redwood & Rees-Mogg have been identified but what about all the others who will beneft when all rgulations are swept away? |
Still, it' a good job we have a competent opposition in place willing to challenge all of this bullsh1t.
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:31 - Jun 27 with 2755 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:28 - Jun 27 by BlueBadger |
Still, it' a good job we have a competent opposition in place willing to challenge all of this bullsh1t.
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There is no effective opposition to brexit; Mr Cameron made very sure of that.
What should have been opposition from a 'Real European' Clegg as duputy PM showed just how ineffectual he really was. | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:37 - Jun 27 with 2747 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:31 - Jun 27 by No9 |
There is no effective opposition to brexit; Mr Cameron made very sure of that.
What should have been opposition from a 'Real European' Clegg as duputy PM showed just how ineffectual he really was. |
As people keep pointing out to you Fredders, Nick Clegg wasn't a member of government when the 2015 referendum bill was passed, he could only 'oppose' in the same way that any non-government MP with limited support can, and that would be by voting against it.
Labour, as the official opposition, have been incompetent and negligent in their role of opposition from their initial withdrawal of opposing the referendum onwards. [Post edited 27 Jun 2018 9:43]
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company (n/t) on 09:38 - Jun 27 with 2742 views | Swansea_Blue |
Balls [Post edited 27 Jun 2018 9:39]
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company (n/t) on 09:46 - Jun 27 with 2725 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company (n/t) on 09:38 - Jun 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Balls [Post edited 27 Jun 2018 9:39]
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Indeed, no on seems to realise the referendum was called in 2013 & Clegg supported it? | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:47 - Jun 27 with 2722 views | StokieBlue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:31 - Jun 27 by No9 |
There is no effective opposition to brexit; Mr Cameron made very sure of that.
What should have been opposition from a 'Real European' Clegg as duputy PM showed just how ineffectual he really was. |
He clearly meant Labour as it currently stands.
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company (n/t) on 09:48 - Jun 27 with 2719 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company (n/t) on 09:46 - Jun 27 by No9 |
Indeed, no on seems to realise the referendum was called in 2013 & Clegg supported it? |
You of course, can support this assertion?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21024123 | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:50 - Jun 27 with 2713 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:47 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
He clearly meant Labour as it currently stands.
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Aren't labour split on the matter of the EU?
labour at the moment may have the most sensible two people on the matter of brexit but the members seem to be divided which MAY be the answer why some MP's still vote with the government? | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:50 - Jun 27 with 2713 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:47 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
He clearly meant Labour as it currently stands.
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He knows Stokers, he's just trying to execute a Glasgow Swerve by making sh1t up because the alternative is acknowledging the utter ineptitude of the Labour party on this matter since 2015.
Even his claim that Nick Clegg supported the 2013 private member's bill is false.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21024123 | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:50 - Jun 27 with 2710 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:50 - Jun 27 by No9 |
Aren't labour split on the matter of the EU?
labour at the moment may have the most sensible two people on the matter of brexit but the members seem to be divided which MAY be the answer why some MP's still vote with the government? |
So, that would be an admission of incompetence and piss-poor leadership then? | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:51 - Jun 27 with 2707 views | StokieBlue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:50 - Jun 27 by No9 |
Aren't labour split on the matter of the EU?
labour at the moment may have the most sensible two people on the matter of brexit but the members seem to be divided which MAY be the answer why some MP's still vote with the government? |
Their leader is totally behind Brexit and that is the party position. JC tells them to abstain in every vote.
You can't have a split party policy, only MP's defying the official policy.
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:02 - Jun 27 with 2693 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 09:51 - Jun 27 by StokieBlue |
Their leader is totally behind Brexit and that is the party position. JC tells them to abstain in every vote.
You can't have a split party policy, only MP's defying the official policy.
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The leader maybe for brexit but the membership have done nothing to change that have they?
If the members were pro EU one would expect them to get the leader to change his mind or change the leader?
I don't agree you can't have a split party = tories since 1972 prove you can IF you pull together on any vote.
If the members really are pro EU they need to change the leader before it's too late but unless someone finds a way to change the legislation on parliamentary terms no one is goign to unseat the tories | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:04 - Jun 27 with 2693 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:02 - Jun 27 by No9 |
The leader maybe for brexit but the membership have done nothing to change that have they?
If the members were pro EU one would expect them to get the leader to change his mind or change the leader?
I don't agree you can't have a split party = tories since 1972 prove you can IF you pull together on any vote.
If the members really are pro EU they need to change the leader before it's too late but unless someone finds a way to change the legislation on parliamentary terms no one is goign to unseat the tories |
It's not down to the membership to LEAD the party and ultimately set policy, is it?
Young people, who overwhelmingly voted to Remain, and also make up a key element that the Dear Leader is trying to appeal to have been roundly ignored. | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:06 - Jun 27 with 2691 views | No9 |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:04 - Jun 27 by BlueBadger |
It's not down to the membership to LEAD the party and ultimately set policy, is it?
Young people, who overwhelmingly voted to Remain, and also make up a key element that the Dear Leader is trying to appeal to have been roundly ignored. |
The party is getting the leader it voted for, it their problem or pleasure.
I am not a member I have not say so it isn't my concern. | | | |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:20 - Jun 27 with 2673 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:06 - Jun 27 by No9 |
The party is getting the leader it voted for, it their problem or pleasure.
I am not a member I have not say so it isn't my concern. |
And yet, here you are attempting to deflect any kind of criticism away from them. | |
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| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:21 - Jun 27 with 2673 views | StokieBlue |
| Brexiteers watch the newnight piece on the Survivetec company on 10:02 - Jun 27 by No9 |
The leader maybe for brexit but the membership have done nothing to change that have they?
If the members were pro EU one would expect them to get the leader to change his mind or change the leader?
I don't agree you can't have a split party = tories since 1972 prove you can IF you pull together on any vote.
If the members really are pro EU they need to change the leader before it's too late but unless someone finds a way to change the legislation on parliamentary terms no one is goign to unseat the tories |
I didn't say you couldn't have a split party. I said you can't have a split party policy.
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