| Well somebody had to say it 12:54 - Mar 14 with 6329 views | GlasgowBlue |
It seems bizarre that after being one of the more cautious home nation leader's during the pandemic that she should suddenly speed up winding down the restrictions faster than in England, despite having a higher infection rate and an increase week on week in infections.
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:04 - Mar 14 with 4174 views | Darth_Koont |
If you can’t beat them, smear them. |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:07 - Mar 14 with 4157 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:04 - Mar 14 by Darth_Koont |
If you can’t beat them, smear them. |
I thought you'd be on the side of the teaching unions Koonters? | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:15 - Mar 14 with 4116 views | J2BLUE |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:04 - Mar 14 by Darth_Koont |
If you can’t beat them, smear them. |
Plenty of claims there that could be refuted rather than just claiming a smear.
Have they suddenly increased lifting Covid measures?
I genuinely have no idea. |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:25 - Mar 14 with 4065 views | Herbivore |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:15 - Mar 14 by J2BLUE |
Plenty of claims there that could be refuted rather than just claiming a smear.
Have they suddenly increased lifting Covid measures?
I genuinely have no idea. |
Schools were partially reopened in Scotland sooner than in England, but then Covid cases and the R number were both much lower than in England hence the partial reopening after the February half term. Glassers has latched on to a small increase in infections, quite possibly explained to at least some extent by 3 weeks or so of the schools being open, as a stick to beat the SNP with.
It's also not true to say, aside from the partial reopening of schools, that Scotland is moving more quickly than England on the whole. The approach in Scotland is still very cautious and schools in England have reopened fully more quickly than schools north of the border. |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:29 - Mar 14 with 4056 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:15 - Mar 14 by J2BLUE |
Plenty of claims there that could be refuted rather than just claiming a smear.
Have they suddenly increased lifting Covid measures?
I genuinely have no idea. |
They have.
Sturgeon announced the acceleration on the eve of her giving evidence to the Salmond enquiry
The teachers union general secretary: “You know, it took place the day before the parliamentary evidence-giving session. Certainly our sense was that the government were looking for a good news story that week, and the reopening of schools on this kind of scale was certainly one way of providing that story.”
This despite the infection rate being higher than in England. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:31 - Mar 14 with 4037 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:25 - Mar 14 by Herbivore |
Schools were partially reopened in Scotland sooner than in England, but then Covid cases and the R number were both much lower than in England hence the partial reopening after the February half term. Glassers has latched on to a small increase in infections, quite possibly explained to at least some extent by 3 weeks or so of the schools being open, as a stick to beat the SNP with.
It's also not true to say, aside from the partial reopening of schools, that Scotland is moving more quickly than England on the whole. The approach in Scotland is still very cautious and schools in England have reopened fully more quickly than schools north of the border. |
"It's also not true to say, aside from the partial reopening of schools, that Scotland is moving more quickly than England on the whole".
Indoor hospitality opening in England on May 17th
Indoor hospitality opening in Scotland on April 26th [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:07]
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:31 - Mar 14 with 4035 views | gordon |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:15 - Mar 14 by J2BLUE |
Plenty of claims there that could be refuted rather than just claiming a smear.
Have they suddenly increased lifting Covid measures?
I genuinely have no idea. |
The only fact I can see in the article is that the decision for primary children to return on March 15 was taken on March 2, the day before the Nicola Sturgeon gave evidence, the rest is speculation. |  | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:34 - Mar 14 with 4012 views | J2BLUE |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:31 - Mar 14 by gordon |
The only fact I can see in the article is that the decision for primary children to return on March 15 was taken on March 2, the day before the Nicola Sturgeon gave evidence, the rest is speculation. |
Yes is does all seem a bit vague. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:40 - Mar 14 with 3974 views | gordon |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:34 - Mar 14 by J2BLUE |
Yes is does all seem a bit vague. |
Pretty sure that if the Scottish Government would have refrained from making any decisions about reopening while the enquiry was ongoing we would just have ended up reading a slightly different version of this thread. | | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:42 - Mar 14 with 3959 views | CoachRob |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:29 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
They have.
Sturgeon announced the acceleration on the eve of her giving evidence to the Salmond enquiry
The teachers union general secretary: “You know, it took place the day before the parliamentary evidence-giving session. Certainly our sense was that the government were looking for a good news story that week, and the reopening of schools on this kind of scale was certainly one way of providing that story.”
This despite the infection rate being higher than in England. |
Just for clarity, is this by extension an attack on advisors like Devi Sridhar?
Attacking prominent woman STEM academics given the importance of this last week and the events in Clapham is hardly productive. |  | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:52 - Mar 14 with 3925 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:42 - Mar 14 by CoachRob |
Just for clarity, is this by extension an attack on advisors like Devi Sridhar?
Attacking prominent woman STEM academics given the importance of this last week and the events in Clapham is hardly productive. |
For clarity, this is linking the valid opinion of a female teachers union general secretary, who believes, and I quote, "the decision seemed to be more of a political one rather than one that was based on sound educational principle".
Next you will be saying that people can't attack the female head of the Metropolitan police or the female home secretary because it sends out the wrong signals.
But well done for desperately looking for something that wasn't there. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 13:59 - Mar 14 with 3861 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:40 - Mar 14 by gordon |
Pretty sure that if the Scottish Government would have refrained from making any decisions about reopening while the enquiry was ongoing we would just have ended up reading a slightly different version of this thread. |
And I'm pretty sure that if Boris Johnson accelerated the easing of lockdown measures and the general secretary of the teacher union in England gave the opinion that this was apolitical decision designed to distract from his troubles in Westminster, we would have ended up reading slightly different versions of the replies given on this thread by you, koonters and herbie.
But hey ho. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:01]
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| Well somebody had to say it on 14:04 - Mar 14 with 3822 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:31 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
"It's also not true to say, aside from the partial reopening of schools, that Scotland is moving more quickly than England on the whole".
Indoor hospitality opening in England on May 17th
Indoor hospitality opening in Scotland on April 26th [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:07]
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Instead of downvoting the post Herbie, why not actually admit you were wrong? | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 14:06 - Mar 14 with 3810 views | gordon |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:04 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Instead of downvoting the post Herbie, why not actually admit you were wrong? |
You've got two England's in your post - have you got a link to whichever date is supposed to be Scotland - just genuinely didn't know there were fixed dates and want to know when stuffs opening. | | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:12 - Mar 14 with 3770 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:06 - Mar 14 by gordon |
You've got two England's in your post - have you got a link to whichever date is supposed to be Scotland - just genuinely didn't know there were fixed dates and want to know when stuffs opening. |
Ah, so I have. Corrected.
Indoor hospitality opening in England on May 17th
Indoor hospitality opening in Scotland on April 26th
non-contact sports and organised group exercise England March 29
non-contact sports and organised group exercise Scotland March 12
Meeting people from other households outdoors England March 29
Meeting people from other households outdoors Scotland March 12
I could give more but can't be arsed. Herbie should be big enough to admit he was wrong. Scotland IS easing restrictions faster than England. [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:13]
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| Well somebody had to say it on 14:13 - Mar 14 with 3763 views | Seablu |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:04 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Instead of downvoting the post Herbie, why not actually admit you were wrong? |
As usual, you need to proof read your propaganda before you spout it. |  | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:41 - Mar 14 with 3675 views | CoachRob |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:52 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
For clarity, this is linking the valid opinion of a female teachers union general secretary, who believes, and I quote, "the decision seemed to be more of a political one rather than one that was based on sound educational principle".
Next you will be saying that people can't attack the female head of the Metropolitan police or the female home secretary because it sends out the wrong signals.
But well done for desperately looking for something that wasn't there. |
Not saying you can't question people but it has to be based on evidence not some political hearsay. This nonsense could destroy somebody's career.
Devi Sridhar set out her scientific reasons for the phased return of schools - do you agree with her or not? If not, state why?
You are well aware of the problems faced by woman in STEM - many have recounted their issues this week.
Reading back what a wrote probably does come across as an accusation of misogyny, not intended against you Glassers, if you took offence, I apologise. I just get fed up with unfounded rubbish against colleagues. [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:43]
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| Well somebody had to say it on 14:59 - Mar 14 with 3582 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:25 - Mar 14 by Herbivore |
Schools were partially reopened in Scotland sooner than in England, but then Covid cases and the R number were both much lower than in England hence the partial reopening after the February half term. Glassers has latched on to a small increase in infections, quite possibly explained to at least some extent by 3 weeks or so of the schools being open, as a stick to beat the SNP with.
It's also not true to say, aside from the partial reopening of schools, that Scotland is moving more quickly than England on the whole. The approach in Scotland is still very cautious and schools in England have reopened fully more quickly than schools north of the border. |
BTW Herbie, I don't think a 19% increase in infections is a small increase.
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| Well somebody had to say it on 15:10 - Mar 14 with 3556 views | Herbivore |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:59 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
BTW Herbie, I don't think a 19% increase in infections is a small increase.
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And how many more tests have been carried out this week? [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 15:26]
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| Well somebody had to say it on 15:12 - Mar 14 with 3540 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:41 - Mar 14 by CoachRob |
Not saying you can't question people but it has to be based on evidence not some political hearsay. This nonsense could destroy somebody's career.
Devi Sridhar set out her scientific reasons for the phased return of schools - do you agree with her or not? If not, state why?
You are well aware of the problems faced by woman in STEM - many have recounted their issues this week.
Reading back what a wrote probably does come across as an accusation of misogyny, not intended against you Glassers, if you took offence, I apologise. I just get fed up with unfounded rubbish against colleagues. [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:43]
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Like Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance, Devi Sridhar only advises the government. She does not have the final say or make the political decision. Her sex is irrelevant. As is that of the First Minister.
Devi Sridhar also said that if pupils were to return to school then other lockdown restrictions, such as parents meeting each other, would have to stay in place until Easter at the earliest. This advice has been ignored by the FM. We are now allowed to meet people from other households outside as of last Friday.
Teaching Unions are heavily critical of the FM sudden announcement. Normally on TWTD, that would be met with support for the unions and disdain for the politicians. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 15:14 - Mar 14 with 3529 views | jaykay |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:04 - Mar 14 by Darth_Koont |
If you can’t beat them, smear them. |
once a smearer always a smearer |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 15:24 - Mar 14 with 3486 views | longtimefan |
| Well somebody had to say it on 13:42 - Mar 14 by CoachRob |
Just for clarity, is this by extension an attack on advisors like Devi Sridhar?
Attacking prominent woman STEM academics given the importance of this last week and the events in Clapham is hardly productive. |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 15:29 - Mar 14 with 3466 views | gordon |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:12 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Ah, so I have. Corrected.
Indoor hospitality opening in England on May 17th
Indoor hospitality opening in Scotland on April 26th
non-contact sports and organised group exercise England March 29
non-contact sports and organised group exercise Scotland March 12
Meeting people from other households outdoors England March 29
Meeting people from other households outdoors Scotland March 12
I could give more but can't be arsed. Herbie should be big enough to admit he was wrong. Scotland IS easing restrictions faster than England. [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 14:13]
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Not questioning anything, just wanted to see the official thingy about hospitality, I had thought everything was provisional still. | | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 15:34 - Mar 14 with 3435 views | Herbivore |
| Well somebody had to say it on 15:29 - Mar 14 by gordon |
Not questioning anything, just wanted to see the official thingy about hospitality, I had thought everything was provisional still. |
It is as far as I'm aware, and we're going back to tiers rather than a blanket national approach. Some things have happened sooner in Scotland because the generally fighter restrictions meant it has been ahead of England in terms of getting cases and the R number down. Glassers as usual just cherry picks little snippets of information to use as political ammo because he hates the SNP. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 15:36 - Mar 14 with 3418 views | gordon |
| Well somebody had to say it on 14:59 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
BTW Herbie, I don't think a 19% increase in infections is a small increase.
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The question is more whether it reflects a real increase in the prevalence of the virus, or whether actually it's a result of more asymptomatic cases being detected from the roll out of large-scale asymptomatic testing in Scotland's most populous city. | | | |
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