| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? 22:56 - Oct 2 with 861 views | mattyhollandsirish |
Seems like a suitable amount of games to me. Probably need to pick up 9 or 10 points from the next 5 and if so, there's possibly a good argument the little recent 3 game unbeaten run was a sign we're turning it around.
Anything less and it's looking like that run and especially the Doncaster game were more out of line with how the team are really developing.
We all desperately want Cook to concede, but likewise we can't afford to accept such poor performances at Accrington Stanley. We knew exactly what we'd face today and simply haven't had enough about us to deal with it.
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| I think Cook needs a serious reaction from the players against The Shrews on 23:10 - Oct 2 with 810 views | unstableblue |
Whilst I agree 15 games may be long enough period to give Cook, we need to get A LOT of points from the remaining October games.
But what Cook needs is a very energetic and hungry display on Saturday.
When players are so lacking desire, and the manager clearly must have laid into them, a test of his dressing room control is that they now react with a very different display! |  |
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| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:08 - Oct 3 with 749 views | Illinoisblue |
There’s been a mental and physical weakness at the club for so long it’s never even a surprise when we get “bullied” by supposedly lesser teams. The manager (rightly) gets a lot of stick but maybe for once the players could dig deep and show some fight. |  |
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| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:34 - Oct 3 with 719 views | Churchman |
| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:08 - Oct 3 by Illinoisblue |
There’s been a mental and physical weakness at the club for so long it’s never even a surprise when we get “bullied” by supposedly lesser teams. The manager (rightly) gets a lot of stick but maybe for once the players could dig deep and show some fight. |
Yes, the club is a byword for mediocrity and failure now. Has been for years. As for the players, Cook wanted them. If they have no fight, no willingness to do the basics, they’re his players. It’s down to him.
We had a ‘never again’ moment after the Bolton debacle. Four games later, here we are again. As we languish deservedly at the bottom of the old third division, this looks far more than a bad day at the office to me.
In the 21st century 15 games is more than enough. The old ‘give the manager three years’ idea is long dead and rightly so. Besides if the owners are serious about doing something here, I really can’t see them waiting forever to see if Cook can stumble across a team. |  | | |
| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:48 - Oct 3 with 706 views | The_Major |
Unless we have a seven or eight game losing streak, I don't think that will happen.
At the fans forum in July, Cook, O'Leary and Ashton all said that if it takes more than one year to get up, then so be it. And one would assume that's the message they've taken back to the US. Now, having said that, that doesn't mean they're just going to give him a clean slate to do what he wants, they'll want to see improvement on last year. After backing him to the hilt with transfers, they're going to want to give a CERTAIN amount of time to see if it works. Bringing someone in new now would just turn everything upside down again. They will want to give him most of this season and at least the January window to try and sort it out.
However, if we get to March, and we languishing in 17th place, then yes, the time is probably right, as we wouldn't have any hope of going up. It would give the next poor sap a chance to see the lie of the land and what changes need to be made, if any, over the summer.
And furthermore there is a crucial difference between not going up by being hopeless, and not going up due to heroic failure (play off defeat, missing out on play-offs by goal difference etc) - if that happened, I'd be happy for him to stay, as it showed an improvement on last year.
So, in a nutshell, unless he turns in to Daniel Farke in the Premier League, he ain't going anywhere until the spring at the earliest. |  | | |
| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:57 - Oct 3 with 694 views | BlueBadger |
| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:34 - Oct 3 by Churchman |
Yes, the club is a byword for mediocrity and failure now. Has been for years. As for the players, Cook wanted them. If they have no fight, no willingness to do the basics, they’re his players. It’s down to him.
We had a ‘never again’ moment after the Bolton debacle. Four games later, here we are again. As we languish deservedly at the bottom of the old third division, this looks far more than a bad day at the office to me.
In the 21st century 15 games is more than enough. The old ‘give the manager three years’ idea is long dead and rightly so. Besides if the owners are serious about doing something here, I really can’t see them waiting forever to see if Cook can stumble across a team. |
'Free hits' is what has damned us as a club. We stuck with Keane too long, we stuck with Lambert too long, We stuck with Jewell too long. Hell, even the only competent manager that Marcus Evans employed was in the job too long. We are starting to look like we are sticking with cook too long. The only manager we've had that was sacked when he should have been was Hurst.
And even then, he probably should have gone before that.
F**k free hits. Free hits condemned us to clapping our way to relegation, 'Lambo' banners and being marooned in the third division. 'Free hits' is nothing more than embracing mediocrity, it's just dressed up in the rags of 'but the match day experience and football are better'. |  |
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| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 04:06 - Oct 3 with 610 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 00:34 - Oct 3 by Churchman |
Yes, the club is a byword for mediocrity and failure now. Has been for years. As for the players, Cook wanted them. If they have no fight, no willingness to do the basics, they’re his players. It’s down to him.
We had a ‘never again’ moment after the Bolton debacle. Four games later, here we are again. As we languish deservedly at the bottom of the old third division, this looks far more than a bad day at the office to me.
In the 21st century 15 games is more than enough. The old ‘give the manager three years’ idea is long dead and rightly so. Besides if the owners are serious about doing something here, I really can’t see them waiting forever to see if Cook can stumble across a team. |
I don’t particularly want Cook sacked as it will mean we’re failing yet again. On the other hand he’s done next to nothing to convince he can get a tune out of this very expensively assembled squad. Accrington with their 2k crowds and a budget of breadcrumbs have won 3 times as many games as we have this season. It’s not acceptable and Cook, frankly, could have zero complaints if he gets the boot. | |
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| Is 15 league games fair to decide if this is going to work? on 04:14 - Oct 3 with 593 views | BondiBlue |
Someone wrote a paper on when to sack a manager by BondiBlue 23 Sep 2018 22:02“So the optimal strategy for a club would seem to be to allow a manager a honeymoon period of 8 games, and then sack him if his weighted average performance with a smoothing value of 0.121 (putting 47% of the weight on the last five games) falls below 0.74 points per game.
If a club follows this strategy it can expect to obtain 56.81 points per season. It can expect to employ 5.7 managers on average over the ten seasons, and the average quality of those managers will be 3/5ths of the way between good and excellent. To put this into perspective, 56.81 points would have secured a finishing position of 10th, 8th, 8th, 6th, 8th and 8th in the six seasons so far of a 20-club Premiership.”
https://www.jbs.cam.ac.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/faculty/downloads/hope_when_sack_manager.pdf
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