| automatic promotion or playoffs 17:21 - Oct 31 with 2024 views | positivity |
if we lose to wycombe we'll have 20 points with 30 to play
so, to get automatic promotion, we'll need c90 points, 2.3 per game, to put this into perspective, we'll need to be better than wycombe have been to that point by 3 points
can we be better than wycombe? unlikely, but not quite impossible yet
to get playoffs, we'll need 75 points, 1.8 per game, to put this into perspective, we'll need to be as good as oxford have been to this point (or alternatively, almost as good as we've been in the last 9 games)
can we maintain our form for the rest of the season? it's possible
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:26 - Oct 31 with 1986 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
To get automatic promotion you need to average around 2 points per game. Because we have fallen so far behind this, we would need to significantly exceed this to make up for lost ground.
2 points per game is a big ask but one we should be up to thanks to our budget. To average significantly more is going to be significantly more of a challenge. Far from impossible but we need to stop throwing away leads. |  |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:26 - Oct 31 with 1981 views | Burns7 |
We’ll be lucky to make 7th with our backline. We’ve not picked up any sort of momentum in the league and we are going to be hit by a string of further injuries because it’s the Ipswich way. We’ll say oh well, it will be be next season and finish 15th that season instead and so on… |  | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:28 - Oct 31 with 1972 views | BlueBadger |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:26 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
We’ll be lucky to make 7th with our backline. We’ve not picked up any sort of momentum in the league and we are going to be hit by a string of further injuries because it’s the Ipswich way. We’ll say oh well, it will be be next season and finish 15th that season instead and so on… |
Christ alive man, give it a rest. You're even worse than OriginalMarkyP. |  |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:31 - Oct 31 with 1944 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:28 - Oct 31 by BlueBadger |
Christ alive man, give it a rest. You're even worse than OriginalMarkyP. |
His posts about nodge are far more optimistic.
It could just be that he is a manic depressive. | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:33 - Oct 31 with 1937 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:26 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
We’ll be lucky to make 7th with our backline. We’ve not picked up any sort of momentum in the league and we are going to be hit by a string of further injuries because it’s the Ipswich way. We’ll say oh well, it will be be next season and finish 15th that season instead and so on… |
glad a snowflake like you's not in charge!
we've picked up some momentum, 17 points in 9 games is much better than 3 from 6!
as for the backline, we've barely had a chance to play them together yet, again we're showing an upward momentum (15 from first 6 cf 9 from last 9)
while we're still improving, i wouldn't wuss out just yet! | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:33 - Oct 31 with 1935 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:31 - Oct 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
His posts about nodge are far more optimistic.
It could just be that he is a manic depressive. |
i think he's missed his calling, could be a cracking motivational coach! | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:35 - Oct 31 with 1932 views | snotbucket |
If we make the playoffs, which I fully expect us to do, we could be hitting good form at just the right time. I'm expecting much more consistency the back half of the season. | | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:41 - Oct 31 with 1917 views | Illinoisblue |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:26 - Oct 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To get automatic promotion you need to average around 2 points per game. Because we have fallen so far behind this, we would need to significantly exceed this to make up for lost ground.
2 points per game is a big ask but one we should be up to thanks to our budget. To average significantly more is going to be significantly more of a challenge. Far from impossible but we need to stop throwing away leads. |
And, crucially, not concede 2 goals a game. |  |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:42 - Oct 31 with 1914 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:41 - Oct 31 by Illinoisblue |
And, crucially, not concede 2 goals a game. |
averaging 1 at the moment, could do with bringing it down a bit more though! | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:43 - Oct 31 with 1906 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:41 - Oct 31 by Illinoisblue |
And, crucially, not concede 2 goals a game. |
In the league we have managed that 6 times - 5 wins and 1 draw. It really is critical (but not to the point of completely negating our attacking threat). | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 18:11 - Oct 31 with 1841 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:35 - Oct 31 by snotbucket |
If we make the playoffs, which I fully expect us to do, we could be hitting good form at just the right time. I'm expecting much more consistency the back half of the season. |
yes, momentum could be key, i'll never be confident in a playoff situation though! | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 22:41 - Oct 31 with 1697 views | HighgateBlue |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 17:35 - Oct 31 by snotbucket |
If we make the playoffs, which I fully expect us to do, we could be hitting good form at just the right time. I'm expecting much more consistency the back half of the season. |
Out of genuine curiosity, on what evidence do you base your full expectation that we will make the playoffs? You could make a tasty little profit at the bookies, for sure.
I mean, I hope we will, and it's certainly possible we will, but I don't see any reason to have any confidence we will, let alone an expectation. |  | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 22:46 - Oct 31 with 1686 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 22:41 - Oct 31 by HighgateBlue |
Out of genuine curiosity, on what evidence do you base your full expectation that we will make the playoffs? You could make a tasty little profit at the bookies, for sure.
I mean, I hope we will, and it's certainly possible we will, but I don't see any reason to have any confidence we will, let alone an expectation. |
current form?
past success of manager?
quality of players in squad?
recent improvements?
i still think there's too many variables to be sure, but it's not hard to make a compelling case | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 08:52 - Nov 1 with 1523 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Hoping to be as successful as Wycombe..... my how ambitions have changed. | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 09:22 - Nov 1 with 1460 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 08:52 - Nov 1 by ElephantintheRoom |
Hoping to be as successful as Wycombe..... my how ambitions have changed. |
it'd be pretty stupid to hope to be as successful as liverpool or man city now, you have to do in stages:-
first be as successful as oxford, then wycombe, then peterborough, blackpool, fulham, leeds etc etc | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 09:59 - Nov 1 with 1398 views | HighgateBlue |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 22:46 - Oct 31 by positivity |
current form?
past success of manager?
quality of players in squad?
recent improvements?
i still think there's too many variables to be sure, but it's not hard to make a compelling case |
Form: form is about more than just the number of points gained in the last X matches. It also entails considering which teams you've been playing. Our failure to beat any top 10 side is a massive cause for concern. We have gained the unimpressive league position in which we currently sit, against worse than average sides. That is not evidence that we are going to do better than that against the best teams.
Past success of manager: it's funny how those arguing most strongly in Cook's favour give weight to his record at previous clubs, but give no weight to his performance with this very club at a more recent point in time, i.e. last season, when he performed worse than Lambert. We've appointed a fair few managers on the basis of their relevant former glories, which is of course perfectly sensible. But for every success story (few of which have been at our club) there's at least one "Paul" (Jewell, Hurst, etc).
Quality of players in squad: It's really hard to assess this. The results do not speak well of them. If the players are so much better than the results, does that not provide a case for Cook's failings, rather than the opposite? Certainly the players from last season, who are now much derided, and not pulling up trees (with the exception of the harshly treated Wilson), did not do any worse than the current lot are doing. I'm not clear how innate quality is an indicator that what they have actually empirically achieved this season is going to shift materially.
Recent improvements: It's true that looking at the table for just the last 6 or last 10, we scrape into the playoffs on both. It's undeniable that we have got better in terms of raw results, and this is very welcome. But again, I'm not sure how much this form is worth, when we are not getting results against the stronger teams when we play them. More than half of our wins have been against sides currently in the relegation zone - not merely the bottom half, but actually in the relegation zone. It comes back to assessing what the form is worth. As horse racing buffs know, it's vital to assess how much the form is worth - what did we beat? It's true that you can only beat what's put in front of you, but our form really does not look that strong. And our identified weaknesses remain - failing to see a game out (be that a psychological flaw, fitness, tactical ineptitude, whatever), and individual errors at the back (something that has significantly increased under Cook).
I agree that there are a lot of variables, and it is essential to acknowledge that none of us can be sure, but personally I think it's hard to make a compelling case. If we win at Wycombe, that might be an indicator that the change is real and lasting, and I very much hope we do and that I'm wrong. I shall leave it on that note, and hope that your case is the one that's strengthened come tomorrow night, and not mine.
COYB! | | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 10:23 - Nov 1 with 1354 views | DMDC |
Neither, we arnt good enough. People can dress it up however they like, but we have a lot of very average players being hyped up again. Cook is a one trick pony,he wont change system for anything,or cant. And teams know exactly how to get in amongst us. The defense needs sorting out in January,its simply not good enough.Boy do we need a defensive coach. |  | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 10:25 - Nov 1 with 1349 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 09:59 - Nov 1 by HighgateBlue |
Form: form is about more than just the number of points gained in the last X matches. It also entails considering which teams you've been playing. Our failure to beat any top 10 side is a massive cause for concern. We have gained the unimpressive league position in which we currently sit, against worse than average sides. That is not evidence that we are going to do better than that against the best teams.
Past success of manager: it's funny how those arguing most strongly in Cook's favour give weight to his record at previous clubs, but give no weight to his performance with this very club at a more recent point in time, i.e. last season, when he performed worse than Lambert. We've appointed a fair few managers on the basis of their relevant former glories, which is of course perfectly sensible. But for every success story (few of which have been at our club) there's at least one "Paul" (Jewell, Hurst, etc).
Quality of players in squad: It's really hard to assess this. The results do not speak well of them. If the players are so much better than the results, does that not provide a case for Cook's failings, rather than the opposite? Certainly the players from last season, who are now much derided, and not pulling up trees (with the exception of the harshly treated Wilson), did not do any worse than the current lot are doing. I'm not clear how innate quality is an indicator that what they have actually empirically achieved this season is going to shift materially.
Recent improvements: It's true that looking at the table for just the last 6 or last 10, we scrape into the playoffs on both. It's undeniable that we have got better in terms of raw results, and this is very welcome. But again, I'm not sure how much this form is worth, when we are not getting results against the stronger teams when we play them. More than half of our wins have been against sides currently in the relegation zone - not merely the bottom half, but actually in the relegation zone. It comes back to assessing what the form is worth. As horse racing buffs know, it's vital to assess how much the form is worth - what did we beat? It's true that you can only beat what's put in front of you, but our form really does not look that strong. And our identified weaknesses remain - failing to see a game out (be that a psychological flaw, fitness, tactical ineptitude, whatever), and individual errors at the back (something that has significantly increased under Cook).
I agree that there are a lot of variables, and it is essential to acknowledge that none of us can be sure, but personally I think it's hard to make a compelling case. If we win at Wycombe, that might be an indicator that the change is real and lasting, and I very much hope we do and that I'm wrong. I shall leave it on that note, and hope that your case is the one that's strengthened come tomorrow night, and not mine.
COYB! |
Your point about the manager(s) is a reasonable one - but open to question
II'd argue that the ONLY time that Town have been consistently overachieving for more than one year is when they appointed managers with no provenance whatsoever in Ramsey and Robson. They've only gone down this pioneering and eminently sensible route twice more - with Milburn, who was somewhat awful - but had an eye with for the future with the establishment of the youth system AND signed Town's greatest ever player, Danny Hegan, as well as a few other good 'uns... and Jim Magilton who started quite promisingly before being sacrificed for a sociopath.
I'd also argue that the franchise's struggles with a disparate bunch of opportunists is also not unexpected as most are just third division trundlers or jobbing rejects who may, or may not be as good (or bad) as those they replaced. | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 11:57 - Nov 1 with 1283 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 09:59 - Nov 1 by HighgateBlue |
Form: form is about more than just the number of points gained in the last X matches. It also entails considering which teams you've been playing. Our failure to beat any top 10 side is a massive cause for concern. We have gained the unimpressive league position in which we currently sit, against worse than average sides. That is not evidence that we are going to do better than that against the best teams.
Past success of manager: it's funny how those arguing most strongly in Cook's favour give weight to his record at previous clubs, but give no weight to his performance with this very club at a more recent point in time, i.e. last season, when he performed worse than Lambert. We've appointed a fair few managers on the basis of their relevant former glories, which is of course perfectly sensible. But for every success story (few of which have been at our club) there's at least one "Paul" (Jewell, Hurst, etc).
Quality of players in squad: It's really hard to assess this. The results do not speak well of them. If the players are so much better than the results, does that not provide a case for Cook's failings, rather than the opposite? Certainly the players from last season, who are now much derided, and not pulling up trees (with the exception of the harshly treated Wilson), did not do any worse than the current lot are doing. I'm not clear how innate quality is an indicator that what they have actually empirically achieved this season is going to shift materially.
Recent improvements: It's true that looking at the table for just the last 6 or last 10, we scrape into the playoffs on both. It's undeniable that we have got better in terms of raw results, and this is very welcome. But again, I'm not sure how much this form is worth, when we are not getting results against the stronger teams when we play them. More than half of our wins have been against sides currently in the relegation zone - not merely the bottom half, but actually in the relegation zone. It comes back to assessing what the form is worth. As horse racing buffs know, it's vital to assess how much the form is worth - what did we beat? It's true that you can only beat what's put in front of you, but our form really does not look that strong. And our identified weaknesses remain - failing to see a game out (be that a psychological flaw, fitness, tactical ineptitude, whatever), and individual errors at the back (something that has significantly increased under Cook).
I agree that there are a lot of variables, and it is essential to acknowledge that none of us can be sure, but personally I think it's hard to make a compelling case. If we win at Wycombe, that might be an indicator that the change is real and lasting, and I very much hope we do and that I'm wrong. I shall leave it on that note, and hope that your case is the one that's strengthened come tomorrow night, and not mine.
COYB! |
all good points and well argued, but if you went through all the teams, you'd be hard pushed to make a compelling case for any other team either. i'd say we have an advantage over most of the other teams on all of those metrics.
as for the top 10 complaint; we've only played one top 10 side (at the time of playing them), that was away from home, with our right flank taken out on the morning of the game.
we were still pretty competitive and could have easily won or drawn if bonne and harper hadn't missed sitters. very fine margins and not something we can extrapolate too wildly from! | |
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| automatic promotion or playoffs on 11:59 - Nov 1 with 1278 views | itfcsuth |
I think automatics may be out of reach, I'm not sure.
But the play-offs are certainly not out of reach by any stretch. |  | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 12:30 - Nov 1 with 1225 views | Vaughan8 |
Problem with football now is most people over analyse the hell out of everything.
The simple fact is, we need to stop letting in 2 or more goals. 9/15 games we have done that. and we don't score 3 often, ironically the only 2 times (4 and 6) was when we kept a clean sheet. | | | |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 13:06 - Nov 1 with 1167 views | positivity |
| automatic promotion or playoffs on 12:30 - Nov 1 by Vaughan8 |
Problem with football now is most people over analyse the hell out of everything.
The simple fact is, we need to stop letting in 2 or more goals. 9/15 games we have done that. and we don't score 3 often, ironically the only 2 times (4 and 6) was when we kept a clean sheet. |
since bolton we're averaging 1 a game, so we're improving there too, more work to do though! | |
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